NYK Heavily Interested in 'Reke?

#1
http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/melo-looking-for-second-scorer-how-about-tyreke-evans/

Several blogs are parroting the same source indicating that the Knicks could have interest in 'Reke. Now I have no idea whether or not that is even feasible due to the luxury tax apron provisions under the new CBA for S&Ts, but my deal would start and end with Chandler.

My deal? A re-signed 'Reke for around 9-10M with Jimmer for Chandler and a future pick.

Thoughts?
 
#2
the Knicks can be as interested as they want to be, they don't have the capspace to afford him and they're not going to offer anything for Reke that might be worth listening to.
 
#3
It's not even a rumor, it's a blogger saying that the Knicks should try to get Tyreke. That said, they have nothing we would want in return, and they don't have cap space. End of the discussion.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#4
My deal? A re-signed 'Reke for around 9-10M with Jimmer for Chandler and a future pick.

Thoughts?
So, you're saying that 1) You think you can get Tyreke to sign a deal for $9-10M and 2) That if we were able to pull off the coup of signing Tyreke well below market value that we should turn around and S&T him for Tyson Chandler?

I absolutely cannot get behind this in any way, shape, or form. #1 will never happen, and if it did, #2 would be about the stupidest thing we could possibly do. I imagine we could find a WORSE player to S&T for, but wow, that's a really bad idea.
 
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So, you're saying that 1) You think you can get Tyreke to sign a deal for $9-10M and 2) That if we were able to pull off the coup of signing Tyreke well below market value that we should turn around and S&T him for Tyson Chandler?

I absolutely cannot get behind this in any way, shape, or form. #1 will never happen, and if it did, #2 would be about the stupidest thing we could possibly do. I imagine we could find a WORSE player to S&T for, but wow, that's a really bad idea.
I dunno that $9-$10mil is well below market value... we'll have to wait and see but I'm hoping we sign him for around $10m/per.
 
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sactownfan

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#13
HERES A CLUE THAT THE TEAM IS TRYING TO TRADE COUSINS!!!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/kings/DMCQUOTE_1600x1200.jpg
 
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#14
FYI that was taken directly from the teams website.... Cousins is getting moved for sure!!!! hahaha
 
#15
After coach Malone said he is the best big in the league any given night? After Ranadive immediately called Cousins once he bought the Kings and told him they were going to do something special? Nuh uh, don't think so.EDIT

: Just looked at the link. lol :p
 
#17
Trade proposals like this make me seriously question the basketball knowledge of the OP. Sorry, you asked for thoughts. On a less family friendly forum my response would be markedly more poker-night-appropriate.

Of a more concerning nature, the inability for some around here to perceive Tyreke's talent may be a very unfortunate consequence of the horrible way he was coached and played, along with the hysterical overhyping for marketing purposes of Isaiah Thomas. (Gotta meet the terms of that pizza sponsorship and ad deal.)
 
#18
Trade proposals like this make me seriously question the basketball knowledge of the OP. Sorry, you asked for thoughts. On a less family friendly forum my response would be markedly more poker-night-appropriate.

Of a more concerning nature, the inability for some around here to perceive Tyreke's talent may be a very unfortunate consequence of the horrible way he was coached and played, along with the hysterical overhyping for marketing purposes of Isaiah Thomas. (Gotta meet the terms of that pizza sponsorship and ad deal.)
Okay Hammer, I'm the OP. Let's talk. I managed to catch your original response and won't comment on that. I was a season-ticket holder for 11 years and have watched/played basketball in Europe and the United States since I was 20. But that's not relevant.

Tyreke Evans is an exceptional basketball talent. Period. I think he has the skills to become one of the most well-balanced 2s in the league, if he isn't there already. On his day, he is as effective off the ball as many I've seen, and most impressively, he has improved that skill from an "average" point when he entered the League, something many players with his natural ability may not take the time or effort to do. Make no mistake, Tyreke puts in work. What struck me as interesting with the NYK rumor was the fact that the "blog"--which in fact was recycling a rumor of Grunwald's interest at the deadline reported by both NY Post and SI, if I recall--threw new light on this following Carmelo's comment about a need to add scoring. It's no secret NY is in a bind about how to maintain their competitive edge while getting younger and possessing few trade commodities that would be worth the hype if they played anywhere but NY. This coded to me, in your estimation a man who knows zilch about basketball, that Carmelo may have in fact suggested 'Reke as one player as a target. As we know from Geoff, a far amount of media is smokescreen.

In the end, I wouldn't do any deal with NY simply due to the fact I do not believe we should deal 'Reke. But staying on the "read the tea leaves" theme for a sec, isn't it interesting how not a single real notable comment has been mentioned about 'Reke with the same emphasis the new crew is talking about DMC? 'Reke, who after all is a free agent, former ROY, and one of the only starters we would actually want to reprise the role next season? That strikes me as odd, or maybe as a hint. If the team/org is really full-bore on building around DMC, it could be logical to look for a defensive complement at the 4/5 who is also a veteran younger than 34 and an NBA Champion (not many of those exist) who could settle Cousins and help our ability to compete. Or not. I have no idea. But I am speculating based on what I've heard. That's all.

Look, this is one of the best forums I visit and the good posters on here are among the most educated and well-versed on league matters I have ever met. But if we can't come in here and spitball ideas about fanciful potential scenarios without unfounded criticism, what can we do? I appreciate your thoughts and look forward to more banter long into the future.

Go Kings.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus

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#19
Well, yeah, all things being equal, I think that you should definitely spend more time talking about building around the guy who's actually under contract. If anything, it should be more telling that all talk about rebuilding is notably absent any mention of guys like Thornton and Thomas, who are under contract.
 
#20
In the end, I wouldn't do any deal with NY simply due to the fact I do not believe we should deal 'Reke. But staying on the "read the tea leaves" theme for a sec, isn't it interesting how not a single real notable comment has been mentioned about 'Reke with the same emphasis the new crew is talking about DMC? 'Reke, who after all is a free agent, former ROY, and one of the only starters we would actually want to reprise the role next season? That strikes me as odd, or maybe as a hint. If the team/org is really full-bore on building around DMC, it could be logical to look for a defensive complement at the 4/5 who is also a veteran younger than 34 and an NBA Champion (not many of those exist) who could settle Cousins and help our ability to compete. Or not. I have no idea. But I am speculating based on what I've heard. That's all.

Go Kings.
This is what I am worrying about.
 
#22
This is what I am worrying about.
Would not worry too much:
1) kings and Tyreke are on oposite sides of negotiating table. No wonder not too many comments. Importantly, there is not a single negative comment.
2) unlike Cousins, Reke does not need public displays of loyalty. Different personalities.
 
#23
Also they have made more subtle comments like "This teams has great young talent" possibly referring to Demarcus and Tyreke. Plus, as andjel said, they are on opposite sides of the negotiating table, so if they mention him, the reporters would likely ask about resigning and for how much, etc. And I don't think a new ownership would want to make such bold comments immediately. But we must remember at the LLTK rally, everyone was wearing Tyreke jerseys, including Vivek, so hopefully that is a good sign.
 
#24
In the end, I wouldn't do any deal with NY simply due to the fact I do not believe we should deal 'Reke. But staying on the "read the tea leaves" theme for a sec, isn't it interesting how not a single real notable comment has been mentioned about 'Reke with the same emphasis the new crew is talking about DMC? 'Reke, who after all is a free agent, former ROY, and one of the only starters we would actually want to reprise the role next season? That strikes me as odd, or maybe as a hint. If the team/org is really full-bore on building around DMC, it could be logical to look for a defensive complement at the 4/5 who is also a veteran younger than 34 and an NBA Champion (not many of those exist) who could settle Cousins and help our ability to compete. Or not. I have no idea. But I am speculating based on what I've heard. That's all.
I think your answer is right there (the bolded part). Management gushes over Cousins, and what happens? His agent immediately turns around and says he wants the max. If they make the same statements about Tyreke, what's to stop his agent from saying well, then pay the man like you believe in him. Even if they want 100% to build around him it makes more sense to keep quiet and let negotiations play out behind closed doors.

Also, I'm a big Chandler fan (admittedly didn't see a lot of him this year so I'm not sure how he's aging). But he makes way more sense for a contending team and almost none for the Kings, given his age. This would make sense as a three-way trade involving another playoff team that has young assets or picks that they can part with in exchange for getting Chandler. Like, say, the Thunder, who happen to have the #12 pick (though I'd doubt they'd bite, given that they already invested heavily in Ibaka as their defensive big and probably want to stick with their blueprint of reloading by getting young talent on cheap contracts).
 
#25
I believe Knicks are over the "apron" next year, so they cannot do S&T. More so teams cannot do S&T if they get over the apron after the conclusion of the deal. So in a S&T with Kings Knicks must get back something like $4 million less in salaries. Given their overall lack of assets I doubt they can entice anyone to deal without taking back more salary than they give away. So this "rumor" is just a fantasy of some writer who still hasn't realized just how harsh current CBA becomes the moment you cross a line called "apron".
 
#26
Okay Hammer, I'm the OP. Let's talk. I managed to catch your original response and won't comment on that. I was a season-ticket holder for 11 years and have watched/played basketball in Europe and the United States since I was 20. But that's not relevant.

Tyreke Evans is an exceptional basketball talent. Period. I think he has the skills to become one of the most well-balanced 2s in the league, if he isn't there already. On his day, he is as effective off the ball as many I've seen, and most impressively, he has improved that skill from an "average" point when he entered the League, something many players with his natural ability may not take the time or effort to do. Make no mistake, Tyreke puts in work. What struck me as interesting with the NYK rumor was the fact that the "blog"--which in fact was recycling a rumor of Grunwald's interest at the deadline reported by both NY Post and SI, if I recall--threw new light on this following Carmelo's comment about a need to add scoring. It's no secret NY is in a bind about how to maintain their competitive edge while getting younger and possessing few trade commodities that would be worth the hype if they played anywhere but NY. This coded to me, in your estimation a man who knows zilch about basketball, that Carmelo may have in fact suggested 'Reke as one player as a target. As we know from Geoff, a far amount of media is smokescreen.

In the end, I wouldn't do any deal with NY simply due to the fact I do not believe we should deal 'Reke. But staying on the "read the tea leaves" theme for a sec, isn't it interesting how not a single real notable comment has been mentioned about 'Reke with the same emphasis the new crew is talking about DMC? 'Reke, who after all is a free agent, former ROY, and one of the only starters we would actually want to reprise the role next season? That strikes me as odd, or maybe as a hint. If the team/org is really full-bore on building around DMC, it could be logical to look for a defensive complement at the 4/5 who is also a veteran younger than 34 and an NBA Champion (not many of those exist) who could settle Cousins and help our ability to compete. Or not. I have no idea. But I am speculating based on what I've heard. That's all.

Look, this is one of the best forums I visit and the good posters on here are among the most educated and well-versed on league matters I have ever met. But if we can't come in here and spitball ideas about fanciful potential scenarios without unfounded criticism, what can we do? I appreciate your thoughts and look forward to more banter long into the future.

Go Kings.

Well, basically, you proposed trading Reke, who, as above, you yourself call an exceptional talent and heap praises on, for Tyson Chandler, who might have 2-3 good years left as a good to very good defensive center.

That's why I questioned if/how well you perceived Reke's talent and potential. That's an insane trade if you believe Reke has more growing to do or will benefit from a better coach and system.

My original post was what I would consider "appropriate rage" (thank you Alice Waters), at the insanity of that notion. It was also meant with a bit of a jaunty tone. I consider all posters here my friends, and sometimes I tell my friends to go **** themselves, especially if they would have proposed a trade like that. Nowhere did I say you are not allowed to post such bad ideas. Yes. I said it. I said you posted a BAD IDEA. This isn't kindergarten and I am allowed to tell you you posted a bad idea. As for justifying it my reaction to your bad idea, you did that for me, by heaping such praise on Tyreke. Oh, I think you can come up with ways to justify posting your trade idea, I just think they are horrible. It would be a horrible trade. HORRIBLE.

It's important that I demonstrate the appropriate rage at such a horrible idea so that I can provide a model reaction for others to consider. The question"Hmm, I wonder why Hammer reacted so vehemently?" ... might lead to people to assess the potential lunacy of the idea in a way that might broaden their scope of perceived value for Tyreke, who I believe is somewhat chronically undervalued/underappreciated due to bad coaching, bad management, and, I fear, a media campaign for Isaiah Thomas that has left Tyreke's image with a little collateral damage. There's also the competely made up **** about Tyreke's character or that he's "made it perfectly clear he doesn't want to play with Cousins" that Napear thinks is just fine to throw his way.
 
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