[Game] Kings @ Lakers - 3/17/13
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Actually I follow the Rockets and am a Lin fan. I saw what Smart did to the guy in GS. He's doing the same thing to Fredette. As soon as Jimmer gets traded somewhere without an idiot coach he might just break out and be another Steph Curry.
Douglas is a poor defender. He looks like he's playing good D because he waves his hands around a lot and is "active."
Rockets fans are glad as hell he's gone...and yet this guy is playing over someone who can contribute points. Especially against the Lakers Jimmer should be playing because he can easily guard the likes of Nash or Blake.
Douglas is a poor defender. He looks like he's playing good D because he waves his hands around a lot and is "active."
Rockets fans are glad as hell he's gone...and yet this guy is playing over someone who can contribute points. Especially against the Lakers Jimmer should be playing because he can easily guard the likes of Nash or Blake.
Wow.
Most people would compare Smart's handling of Steph to his handling of Reke.
Jimmer is not in the same class as Lin at all. And we don't need offense. That's not why we lost. We need defense, and Jimmer doesn't help there.
BTW, the idea Douglas is a poor defender shows how little you know. He's our best defensive guard outside of Reke hands down.
Most people would compare Smart's handling of Steph to his handling of Reke.
Jimmer is not in the same class as Lin at all. And we don't need offense. That's not why we lost. We need defense, and Jimmer doesn't help there.
BTW, the idea Douglas is a poor defender shows how little you know. He's our best defensive guard outside of Reke hands down.
This is the problem. This has always been the problem.
Westbrook can do that. He's 10x the player IT is. When IT thinks he's Westbrook .. that is when he falls off the rails. Thomas needs to be what Thomas is.
I can tell you he isn't a multiple time All-Star who's team has been a contender for the last 3 seasons, and went to the Finals last year.
Westbrook can do that. He's 10x the player IT is. When IT thinks he's Westbrook .. that is when he falls off the rails. Thomas needs to be what Thomas is.
I can tell you he isn't a multiple time All-Star who's team has been a contender for the last 3 seasons, and went to the Finals last year.
I know some people blame IT, but I wouldn't say he had a bad game, but an okay game. We just went cold in the second half. It seems like our players don't play within the offense once the game gets kinda out of hand, everybody goes into Batman mode, but nobody wants to be Robin. I'm more disappointed in JT and Salmons, they were completely invisible out there tonight, when Cousins comes back, move Salmons to the bench and have Patterson play Small Forward.
The other difference is Westbrook can carry you home to victory. We saw tonight what happens fairly regularly. IT gets hot, starts looking for his own and it dragged on just about the entire 3rd quarter. Westbrook does that too.
The difference is in the 4th. IT was nowhere to be seen. And when we needed others to step up no one was in a rhythm. Reke shot like s*** but MT and PP were taken out of their rhythm as well. So no one picked up the slack. Westbrook however pushes through until the end and doesn't need to wait for others to step up aside from Durant. If IT were good enough to keep it going and bring us home, I wouldn't have a problem, but he'd also be a much better player if that were the case. Instead, when he gets hot everyone else loses a rhythm, yet he's not carrying us home and disappears in 4th quarters. If you take others out of their rhythm as a PG, you have to carry us home.
The difference is in the 4th. IT was nowhere to be seen. And when we needed others to step up no one was in a rhythm. Reke shot like s*** but MT and PP were taken out of their rhythm as well. So no one picked up the slack. Westbrook however pushes through until the end and doesn't need to wait for others to step up aside from Durant. If IT were good enough to keep it going and bring us home, I wouldn't have a problem, but he'd also be a much better player if that were the case. Instead, when he gets hot everyone else loses a rhythm, yet he's not carrying us home and disappears in 4th quarters. If you take others out of their rhythm as a PG, you have to carry us home.
I was just shooting down your argument about how it's horrible when your PG takes 18 shots and gets 5 assists. Westbrook does it all the time and they win all the time.
I agree that Thomas should not be taking that many shots because he is not a great player like Westbrook, but to generalize it to "you're going to struggle if your PG takes 18 shots and only gets 5 assists" is a false statement.
I agree that Thomas should not be taking that many shots because he is not a great player like Westbrook, but to generalize it to "you're going to struggle if your PG takes 18 shots and only gets 5 assists" is a false statement.
I watched Dougie all season on the Rockets. He can't fight through picks and his 1v1 defense is average at best. Just because a guy flails his arms around alot and looks like he's "active" doesn't make him a good defender. Also, defense at the PG spot is not really crucial. Last I checked, Nash and Curry are equally as bad as Jimmer and their teams are in the playoffs. Is TD's slight upgrade in D at the PG spot really worth stifling Fredette's development?
Even tonight Lakers announcers were wondering why no Jimmer on the floor, when the spacing and movement would be perfect for his contributions with Cousins out.
I see fans of other teams laugh at how little he's utilized...the guy shoots well over 40% from beyond the arc and sees no playing time. Even early in the season when he had some of the highest PER in the league he was getting DNPs.
Funny thing is I think Fredette would fit in perfect next to Harden on the Rockets, maybe even better than Lin.
Even tonight Lakers announcers were wondering why no Jimmer on the floor, when the spacing and movement would be perfect for his contributions with Cousins out.
I see fans of other teams laugh at how little he's utilized...the guy shoots well over 40% from beyond the arc and sees no playing time. Even early in the season when he had some of the highest PER in the league he was getting DNPs.
Funny thing is I think Fredette would fit in perfect next to Harden on the Rockets, maybe even better than Lin.
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You missed the point, but I'll try to explain it to you again.
I agree that Westbrook should be taking a lot more shots than Thomas does. He gets much better looks and can separate himself from his defender a lot easier than Thomas can. Westbrook is more athletic than Thomas. Westbrook plays better defense than Thomas. Westbrook is a better rebounder than Thomas. The only part of basketball that Thomas might be better than Westbrook in is 3pt shooting. Westbrook is a superior player...by far. Thus he can take many shots and still give his team a great chance to win. Thomas can't do that as well as Westbrook can.
Make sense? I think every single person on this board would/should agree with that. My argument was when you said "don't expect good things when your starting PG has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists." Westbrook averaged 19 shots and 5.5 assists last year. Guess what? Their team made it to the NBA finals. That statement is not true. If you change it to "don't expect good things when Isaiah Thomas has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists" then you might be on to something
I agree that Westbrook should be taking a lot more shots than Thomas does. He gets much better looks and can separate himself from his defender a lot easier than Thomas can. Westbrook is more athletic than Thomas. Westbrook plays better defense than Thomas. Westbrook is a better rebounder than Thomas. The only part of basketball that Thomas might be better than Westbrook in is 3pt shooting. Westbrook is a superior player...by far. Thus he can take many shots and still give his team a great chance to win. Thomas can't do that as well as Westbrook can.
Make sense? I think every single person on this board would/should agree with that. My argument was when you said "don't expect good things when your starting PG has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists." Westbrook averaged 19 shots and 5.5 assists last year. Guess what? Their team made it to the NBA finals. That statement is not true. If you change it to "don't expect good things when Isaiah Thomas has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists" then you might be on to something
You missed the point, but I'll try to explain it to you again.
I agree that Westbrook should be taking a lot more shots than Thomas does. He gets much better looks and can separate himself from his defender a lot easier than Thomas can. Westbrook is more athletic than Thomas. Westbrook plays better defense than Thomas. Westbrook is a better rebounder than Thomas. The only part of basketball that Thomas might be better than Westbrook in is 3pt shooting. Westbrook is a superior player...by far. Thus he can take many shots and still give his team a great chance to win. Thomas can't do that as well as Westbrook can.
Make sense? I think every single person on this board would/should agree with that. My argument was when you said "don't expect good things when your starting PG has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists." Westbrook averaged 19 shots and 5.5 assists last year. Guess what? Their team made it to the NBA finals. That statement is not true. If you change it to "don't expect good things when Isaiah Thomas has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists" then you might be on to something
I agree that Westbrook should be taking a lot more shots than Thomas does. He gets much better looks and can separate himself from his defender a lot easier than Thomas can. Westbrook is more athletic than Thomas. Westbrook plays better defense than Thomas. Westbrook is a better rebounder than Thomas. The only part of basketball that Thomas might be better than Westbrook in is 3pt shooting. Westbrook is a superior player...by far. Thus he can take many shots and still give his team a great chance to win. Thomas can't do that as well as Westbrook can.
Make sense? I think every single person on this board would/should agree with that. My argument was when you said "don't expect good things when your starting PG has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists." Westbrook averaged 19 shots and 5.5 assists last year. Guess what? Their team made it to the NBA finals. That statement is not true. If you change it to "don't expect good things when Isaiah Thomas has taken 18 shots and only has 5 assists" then you might be on to something
Also, I have realised why it is I can't stand IT. It's not that he sometimes goes into hero ball and doesn't pass the ball at all. It's that he does that and Grant & Jerry don't criticize it at all! If he misses a shot it's "a good look that he just missed", and if he makes it he's "a good shooter getting better". Not once, not a single frikin time, in the entire Laker game did they point out the lack of ball movement during that stretch where IT refused to pass the ball. Not once did they criticize him for a bad shot when he got smushed by Howard several times. Not once did they talk about how we should be going to PPat or Tyreke. Another thing I've noticed: Tyreke rarely ever gets a screens set for him straightaway, and most of the time he passes it into the post to JT or Cousins or Patterson. IT on the other hand, always gets screens set for him. If I were coach I'd have run Patterson-Evans pick and pops way way more.
So I'm sorry IT, but part of my dislike for you (when you're playing like you were) is that Grant and Jerry are idiots who somehow think you're the next coming of Michael Jordan.
But as far as this game goes ... ugh. Evans played poorly, I don't even want to talk about Salmons and JT, and our coach is just ... fail. IT didn't play badly on an individual note, but certainly could have done a better job of trying to keep guys in rhythm while still scoring when he was hot.
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Pisses me off even more that his team mates don't know how to come and set a screen for him. Evans is a good iso-player, but if the team clearly isolates him as part of the offense then you can't blame him for going 1 on 1. If by 7 seconds Evans hasn't made a move to the basket a big should automatically step up to set a screen. Tyreke has proven that he will kick it out to the open guy on a consistent basis. But if nobody moves to get open or to get him open then I'm not quite sure what you expect other than a 1 on 1 contested shot from someone.