[Grades] Grades v. Wizards 01/16/2013

Kings Player of the Game?

  • John Salmons

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • DeMarcus Cousins

    Votes: 12 23.5%
  • Tyreke Evans

    Votes: 23 45.1%
  • Jimmer Fredette

    Votes: 15 29.4%

  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
21pts 16reb 5ast

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21pts 8reb 8ast

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Win.


'Course wasn't that simple. The game was choppy and fugly. Both guys made a ton of mistakes. There was more bad defense than you can shake a stick at. The coach changed his entire rotation philosophy on a dime, and went about 16 minutes with only a single substitution, and that because Cousins had 5 fouls. Other than that short 2min rest Cuz played the entire second half. Reke played the entire half. I think Salmons too. Most of the first half bench crew never saw the light after half. Jimmer came on and was our best defensive PG. Yes, you read that right. It was messy but interesting. Most of all it was a win, lucky or not, messy or not. And on the backs of the two guys we need to be stars.

Highlights:

The Grading Consortium
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Capt. Factorial


Boxscore

Stats: 43min 21pts (9-15, 2-3, 1-1) 4reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Salmons ( B+ ) -- John had a nice bounce back game tonight after a couple of stinkers. He hit the first shot of the game, a three pointer. He followed that a few minutes later with a pull up at the left elbow. He then had a nice assist hitting Cuz who was cutting to the basket. He threw up a tough shot in a crowd and missed. He finished his work in the 1st quarter with a layup on a leak out and an nice outlet from Cuz. Got off to a bad start in the 2nd by stepping out of bounds with the ball under pressure. He came back in late in the second, and finished with a pull up in the key. He picked up in the second half where he left off in the 1st with a nice pull up at the top of the key. He later drove the left baseline and powered up a shot through Nene, and was fouled for a three point play. After a couple of misses, one a reverse layup, he scored on a dunk from a beautiful outlet from Hayes. He finished off his scoring for the night by hitting a three pointer to tie the game with 6:39 left in the game. All in all, a very nice game for Salmons. He did disappear from time to time, and in the first quarter he lost his man on defense several times, otherwise he might have gotten an A-. --Baja

Stats: 22min 6pts (3-8, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thompson ( D+ ) -- and so the struggle goes on for JT. Over his last 5 games he is suddenly averaging 6.4pts 3.4rebs on .424 shooting. Tonight it was another 6pts 2rebs on .375 shooting. When I went back to rewatch that first quarter to check a few things, JTs struggles remained just as much of a mystery. Just an air of the old playing too fast/too out of control thing going on, supplemented I think this time by his career long strength issues (do not listen to Jerry, JT has never shown great strength despite his size). Here that resulted in many of his attempts being off balance while being pushed around down low, and our defensive scheme with the bigs showing up top on pick and rolls seemed to have him constantly out of positon on the recoveries and hence inviisble on the glass again. Did have one nice tip early in the game, but when foul tourble loomed in the third, for the second game in a row found himsel repalced for long stretches of the second half by a bench big. This time it was Chuck, who was frankly built better for the sort of beef on beef earthmover inside shoving match that an Okafor/Nene/Seraphiin frontline promises. Got a chance at redemption when he was inserted in place of Cousins midway through the 4th when Cuz picked up his 5th foul. Briefly worked as he got a little hook when Reke pased it to him late -- in fact was our only firled goal over a 4 minute span. But a few seconds later he picked up foul #5 and headed back the bench with another disappointing night. With Reke and Cuz now fully online, Jason needs to get it together for some solid support.--Brick

Stats: 43min 21pts (9-19, 0-0, 3-3) 16reb 5ast 3stl 0blk 6TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- okay, and so AGAIN the huge statline that does not earn the A. I will make a point again that when a guy can put up a line that would be a career night for most guys, and you start nitpicking it, that's when you know you are talking about a star type guy. My initial notes here read literally "terible defense against Nene early, nor able to protect the rim". But when I went back to rewatch the first quarter to see what was really happening, it wasn't as bad as I thought for Cuz. Yes he was out of position multiple times, but often it seemed lie the scheme was broken, or the Wiz were breaking it. He was often stepping up to challenge screens, switching off to take cutters, picking up his own man on the break at the same time someone else picked him up, leaving somebody open. Was a mess, but effort looked decent, and I'm not sure where the blame lies. Anyway, the early defense composes part of this grade. On the other end was ragged, but slowly started to get going. Took a charge on Wall in the early 2nd and when he returend later in the half immediately got a long jumper on the Reke kick. Defense picked up as he began to get his hands on things, but offensively he began to settle for too many jumpers, and just rarely looked comfortable with them. Routinely catching the ball up around the three point stripe did not help matters. Tooka while for him to be effective inteh third as well, as he was having a hard time power posting Okafor, as predicted, and did not get a single FT until late int hat quarter despite all the banging inside. But he was beginning to spot in special plays, got a tough powr drive late in the third, added a nice steal and fullcourt pass to a streaking Reke (one of several fullcourt passes ahead to trigger our break -- was something I saw from him as far back as his first Summer League, and thought he could be an elite break triggerman). should be ntoed here that he got 6 TOs, but I think literlaly half of those were on offensive foul calls. He was not atrociously sloppy otherwise, and some of the calls were dicey. Got more settled and solid in big man ways the later in the game it got, and began to just thud the Wiz inside in the 4th, dominating the dfensive class, banging inside on offense. We briefly lost him when he picked up his 5th foul on another offensive foul call with 6 min to go, but within 2 minutes he was back for the stretch, and his big plays were critical to the victory. Went back to back with a quick power move with 2 min to to cut the Wiz margin to 3, and then scored the +1 off a high pick and rol with Jimmer to tie the game up. After the Wiz hit a three, it was Cuz who came up with the dribble and kick to Salmons to retie it too. Hedid fail at the 40 secodn mark when we tried to psot him and he just flat lost control of hsi dribble and turned it over, but fortunately we pulled it out so there wouldn't be any goat horns and resumed calls to trade him. --Brick

Stats: 41min 21pts (8-15, 1-1, 4-7) 8reb 8ast 3stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( B+ ) -- got off to a very strong start to this one.. Sure enough Beal could not guard him (many more of Reke's points came against Beal than Beal points came against Reke), but Beal was a tough cover the other way and once just flat beat him with a quick baseline move. Reke was doing his damage in a variety of ways as we saw a bit of just about everything from him. He had a strong power move in the post around a SF (later in the game we would get a 24sec violation when we determinedly tried to get that again). He drained another three (bringing his season 3pt% to .353, which is better than either IT or MT actually). And he torched the Wiz for 13 first quarter points on 5-6 shooting. When he returned in the mid 2nd he immediately hit Cuz for a long jumper as the assists started piling up, but he was not involved with his own scoring until a big swooping drive down the right baseline in the final minute. Despite the big game, the third is when I thought this one really began to get interesting for Reke. And its as much for its imperfections as anything else. After half Reke played, and was treated by his coach, like a star. Not a guy who was just hot -- in fact he was not. But a star in that he was involved in everything. He was doing bits of everything, was always there and battling. There were numerous mistakes, he actually missed his first three attempts of the quarter (the third was blocked), he got torched once on a Wall crossover, turned it over once along the sideline when he got surprised by an aggressive double, ran the most selfish break I have seen from him in a while when he may have let his personal duel with Wall override his team sense and he ignored a wide open Jimmer on his elbow to force the attempt himself (actually I thought Jimmer might get it blocked so maybe that was Reke's thought too, but it still looked bad). So with all those numerous mistakes how could it be a star half? Well, like I say, because of all the things he did do. Because it was relentless. He started really wading in on the defensive glass to help us close possessions, was picking up assists in a variety of ways, everything from drive and kicks to swings around the perimeter, to on the final play of the third driving and dishing it to Hayes for his only bucket of the game to cut the lead to 6. He began aggressively releasing on the break, having battles with Wall trying to finsih it. It wasn't an effiicient half per se, but both Reke and Cuz went almost the whole way and just pounded and pounded away in steady relentless fashion, and once we found the right guys to surround them with we began to chip and chip away at the lead. Thought Reke's legs looked like they might be going late, but he made a quick move to get the game winning FT when the Wizards screwed up and decided to try to guard him with Webster on our final possession of the game. He blew by him, crossed Nene, and when Nene tripped him went to the line and split the pair. Luckily it was enough. You can hardly have an epic victory over the Wizards, but when your two young stars combine for 42pts 24rebs 13 ast and make most of the plays down the stretch to win it for you, its starting to look a lot like Christmas. --Brick

Stats: 20min 2pts (1-4, 0-2, 0-2) 0reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( C- ) -- IT was not hitting his shots tonight, but he ran the offense reasonably well in the first half (though one of his four assists was extremely generous). His defense was quite questionable, getting burned by A.J. Price multiple times, including once on an inbounds play. At least twice he left his man allowing a quick pass and open jumper, resulting in 7 points on 3-6 shooting against him. In contrast to Price, he gave Wall a ton of space, which resulted in Wall passing at will. He did put the brakes on Beal on a fast break push, though, and also inexplicably managed to draw an offensive foul when switched off onto the posting Trevor Ariza. Tyreke was dominating the ball in the early going in the second half, and the uninvolved Thomas was benched for Jimmer, only seeing token time in the last minute during a strange Thomas/Hayes Offense/Defense switch. --Capt.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 8min 4pts (2-3, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( F ) -- Normally I'd like to give a guy who only played 8 minutes an incomplete, but this one was obvious. Brooks worked hard to earn the nickname "CLR" tonight because he washed the rust right off of John Wall. Wall burned Brooks again and again and again (resulting in 7 points on 5 shots), and after those 8 minutes of pain spanning the 1st and 2nd, he was thankfully yanked never to return. --Capt.

Stats: 8min 4pts (2-5, 0-1, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thornton ( INC ) -- With under 8 minutes on the night, it's hard to give Thornton a grade. He may have re-rolled an ankle, but at any rate he did not play in the second half. He was mixing it up on the offensive boards while he was in, but wasn't a focal point of the offense. For the most part Thornton was guarding Garrett Temple, which was about as difficult as guarding Garrett Warehouse. Temple just stood in the corner (losing his religion?) most of the time, and MT23 contested and forced a miss on the one shot attempted against him. --Capt.

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Robinson ( D ) -- I was torn with T. Robb. I wanted to give him a INC, but he just played enough to warrant a score. Considering that did little other than play with energy, tip a few balls to his teammates, and grab a couple of rebounds, he didn't have much impact on the game offensively or defensively.
--Baja

Stats: 5min 2pts (1-2, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Garcia ( INC ) -- not enoguh here for a real grade. Would be something in the Cs if he got one. Scored on a quick slash down the right baseline on the semi-break for Brooks' only assist and his only points. Later would have hit a three, but we got a three secodn violation. Looked as lost as the rest of the team in defensive rotations, although was hustling trying to help. On his most notable play pioneered new ways to get Bavetta'd when he was alone back on our glass put his arms up to grab a flatfooted rebound, and had Wall damn near jump over him, and over his back, for the follow. The added insult came when Baveta somehow called the foul on Cisco. For standing there trying to grab a rebound while somebody climbed up his back. Did not play after half.
--Brick

Stats: 22min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Hayes ( B- ) -- there is not much here statistically again, but then again there rarely will be with Chuck. And this time there was a place for him as he made a major contribution after half. In the firs thalf he played a little physical defense on Nene, but that was about it. But he returned to the game by the mid third with JT ineffective and in foul toruble, and played PF next to DeMarcus for most of the rest of the game. I don't remember him coming out until the final minute when we ran some offense/defense stuff with he and IT. There were a couple of notable plays -- early on he hit a streaking Salmons (a bad image actually) with a fullcourt pass off the rebound, and Reke dished to him for a little layup to close the 3rd and cut the lead to 5 -- but for the most part he was out there to push and shove with the big thick Washingotn frontline. To give us a little muscle. He didn't rebound -- this season Chuck appears to have fially started to rebound exactly liek a 6'6" groundbound fireplug should -- but he was smart on defense and physical, set picks and stayed out fo the way, and it was enough. He made a pbad pass trying to feed Cuz in the post at the 4 minute mark, but otherwise it was all solid low level positives, and not many negatives. We neeeded a steady roleplayer to help out with the banging, and that's what we got. --Brick

Stats: 2min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Johnson ( INC ) -- just a couple of minutes just before half. --Baja

Stats: 21min 12pts (5-11, 2-3, 0-0) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( B+ ) -- On a night when the rotation tightened up significantly, Jimmer got the most minutes of any guard not named Tyreke despite first coming in at the 9 minute mark of the third quarter. From that point he played all but the final 11 seconds of the game, that entire time next to Evans in the backcourt. Jimmer came in gunning, first stopping Nene on a break and then adding insult to injury by using Nene to screen off his man on a drive to the hoop on the next play. He hit two threes in the third but ended up not converting as many of his shots as you'd like. Even so, he managed a respectable 12 point on 11 attempts. On the defensive end, Jimmer again outplayed his reputation. The Wizards did not nearly take the ball at Jimmer as much as the Cavaliers did two nights before, attempting only 6 shots against him in 21 minutes and resulting in 6 points on two made threes. Jimmer stopped several drives from both Wall and Beal, including forcing Wall into a tough missed jumper on a drive attempt, though he had a bit of trouble keeping up with Beal off the ball as he weaved through traffic. In the endgame Jimmer came up with two big plays, first making the dropoff pass to Cousins for the tying layup and then disrupting a perimeter pass resulting in a TO, both helping us seal the deal. --Capt.
 
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#3
Sad as it is, we had to win this one to keep our extremely slim chances of a playoff birth alive. 5 1/2 games back with 43 games to go is not impossible to overcome, but we can't be losing games at home against teams like the Wizards.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#4
That's not an easy question. For example, Jimmer didn't play in the first half and might lose some credit because of that but when he played in the 2nd half, he was dynamite. Evan a little defense. I went with DFC 'cause of the number of minutes he played which was around 43 and he still had enough energy to score at the end and make a free throw. He's in shape!
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#5
Sad as it is, we had to win this one to keep our extremely slim chances of a playoff birth alive. 5 1/2 games back with 43 games to go is not impossible to overcome, but we can't be losing games at home against teams like the Wizards.
And we didn't lose to the Wiz at home so why so negative?
 
#6
And we didn't lose to the Wiz at home so why so negative?
Not negative! Just saying from pretty much this point forward, we have to be damn near perfect against bad teams like the Wizards to keep our playoff hopes alive. I'm just happy we can say "playoff run" and it's not a fantasy
 
#7
I thought Jimmer really provided a big spark off the bench giving us better offensive spacing and allowing us to put the ball in Evans' hands more. Sometimes that didn't work out for us, but it's probably our best bet going forward. He also did a pretty decent job on defense especially towards the end of the game.
 
#8
I think I'm taking Jimmer for Player of the game. His numbers weren't the best obviously, but he hit some big shots, played some good defense, and made life much easier for Reke and Cousins just by being on the floor. We don't pull this one out without his contribution
 
#9
It's a three way tie for player of the game. Cousins for the big shots and continued presence through the game. Reke for the early offense and defense. Jimmer for the big shots and steady play. Chuck deserves credit for stopping the bleeding inside by checking Nene.
 
#10
Monster games from Tyreke and Cousins. Great games from Salmons and Fredette.

How come we barely beat the worst team in the league in our own house?
 
#12
Monster games from Tyreke and Cousins. Great games from Salmons and Fredette.

How come we barely beat the worst team in the league in our own house?
They have been plagued with injuries. Their two best players have been hurt this season (Wall and Nene). If healthy, I really think the Wizards would be a playoff team in the east or come close to being one.
 
#13
It was great to see the 2 stars play so much. Great to see Jimmer play a very good second half. The pic n roll with him and DMC is very appealing to me. As u saw it work amazing on the play where cousins got the basket and the foul to tie it at 91

Our defense is still terrible. As they have now given up career highs to opponents 3 games in a row!!!!! Chalmers, Waiters and now Beal.
 
#14
Jimmer is now third in 3pt% (43.5) and 1st in FT% (91.4) in the NBA. with Cousins playing like and Reke playing like an all-star (keep in perspective who we've been playing over the last few games of course), there's hope that we can start to be really competitive.
 
#15
They have been plagued with injuries. Their two best players have been hurt this season (Wall and Nene). If healthy, I really think the Wizards would be a playoff team in the east or come close to being one.
It may just be me, but I really don't care for Wall as a "star" of a team. The dude is lightning quick, but all of his hype coming out of college was related to his end to end speed. If he is your isolation option in a half-court set, you're screwed because he just doesn't have any reliable scoring away from the rim.

Basically he's a shorter, weaker Tyreke who can get up and down the floor pretty quick.
 
#17
Someone asked how the Kings almost lost this game. I will tell you how: the ignorant lineups in the 2nd quarter. Also, 12 players saw the floor in this game. The idea of playing so many players is silly. College coaches are the only coaches I have ever known to play that many players in a game. They tend to do that when they first come to a team in the early part of the season to learn who they have and who needs to play. OVER TIME, they dwindle down to around an 8-man rotation.

The reason the Kings are playing a little better since DMC's team-induced suspension is because 3-4 players are getting at least 35 minutes. Before, 7-8 guys were getting 25+ minutes. Though Smart is still playing almost everyone, 4-5 players are getting less than 10 minutes. Hopefully, they eventually come out of the rotation.

7 players got 20+ minutes. I am cool with that.

Evans, Fredette, Salmons, Thompson, Cousins, Robinson, Thomas have seemed to emerge as the players that need to see the floor. I have and will continue to shout to the roof tops that Thornton does not really fit and needs to be traded. Hayes and Johnson have proven that they can be effective for defensive purposes. I could live without Hayes (this coming from a UK Wildcats fan, lol) but he seems to be one of those players that has no problem getting 10 minutes every month. That is very valuable. Johnson can guard 3 spots on the floor, he could get minutes without me complaining.

Evans, Cousins, Salmons = 40 minutes if possible
IT, Jimmer, Robinson= 25-30 minutes if possible
Hayes/JJ= When needed for special assignment
Brooks/Outlaw= Ugh.
Cisco/Thornton= Thank you for your service to the Kings, now please be used in a trade.
 
#18
Jimmer is now third in 3pt% (43.5) and 1st in FT% (91.4) in the NBA. with Cousins playing like and Reke playing like an all-star (keep in perspective who we've been playing over the last few games of course), there's hope that we can start to be really competitive.

If Jimmer keeps this up maybe he will be invited to All-Star weekend to participate in the 3pt contest. :)
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#19
Tyreke Evans had four low post attempts (two conversions; the other two they didn't get the ball to him) and several cuts to the basket in the first half. He was fantastic. It's like a beautiful sunset, a mist in the moors in Scotland, an ocean breeze in Hawaii... you get my drift. That's the kind of ball I want to see from Tyreke Evans (and from the coaching staff). Quick, efficient, no razmataz, no dribble, dribble, dribble, just basic basketball that gets him the ball closer to the basket and lets him use his power. It can get even better when the Kings get their angles better on getting him the ball. Cousins, in particular, didn't get the ball to Evans when he was wide open underneath, and on another attempt had a turnover trying to get it to him.
 
#20
I was encouraged by the Kings ability to tighten up their defense for crunch time. The offense struggled then, but the defense kept them in the game. Evans and Cousins are playing well and need some more help. It was very fortunate that the Wizards showed some ineptness down the stretch. Watching Washington play however, it is obvious that they will not remain a doormat in the NBA. They are a team on the rise. You may disagree, but a year from now they could be much better.
 
#21
Monster games from Tyreke and Cousins. Great games from Salmons and Fredette.

How come we barely beat the worst team in the league in our own house?
The team as a whole has not played all that well during this home stand. We have been embarrassed by Memphis and Miami and have managed close wins to 2 of the leagues poorest teams. Assists are down and TO's are up.

Hopefully, we can return to the team that embarrassed the Celtics a couple of weeks ago.
 
#22
Jimmer and Tyreke need to play together more. Jimmer gives tyreke room to work because he spaces the floor so well and Jimmer is a smarter ball player than either Brooks or IT. I have said before and I will say again that Jimmer is the best defender of the point gaurds (I don't include Tyreke in that group). He is the biggest and the by for the strongest. He gets beat sometimes but he is almost always forcing his man to the help and he plays descent help defense too.
 
#23
Jimmer and Tyreke need to play together more. Jimmer gives tyreke room to work because he spaces the floor so well and Jimmer is a smarter ball player than either Brooks or IT. I have said before and I will say again that Jimmer is the best defender of the point gaurds (I don't include Tyreke in that group). He is the biggest and the by for the strongest. He gets beat sometimes but he is almost always forcing his man to the help and he plays descent help defense too.
Biggest, okay. Strongest? Nope. IT has better strength and is better at leveraging his strength, although I doubt we'll ever see him post up anyone. IT is also quicker off the dribble than Jimmer.

As to your other point, I like the idea on paper of Jimmer playing with Tyreke. If he plays defense like last night, there is no reason not to. More consistent defensive effort and smarts should lead to a starting role on the team.

Except for, you know, Coach Smart being here and all that. . .
 
#24
It's a three way tie for player of the game. Cousins for the big shots and continued presence through the game. Reke for the early offense and defense. Jimmer for the big shots and steady play. Chuck deserves credit for stopping the bleeding inside by checking Nene.
..... and I picked Salmons as player of the game because he was. Evans, Cousins had great games but Scalmons played juntas long, just as hard, just as many points and h e is not our big gun as are the others. Great game, salmons.
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#25
Jimmer and Tyreke need to play together more. Jimmer gives tyreke room to work because he spaces the floor so well
I think this is what Petrie envisioned - they could potentially be perfect complementary players, as Jimmer doesn't really need the ball in his hands to be effective. The biggest knock on Jimmer had been his defense, and it justifiably kept him out of games. Now we're seeing steady improvement. If Jimmer's defense keeps improving, it'll be hard to keep him out of the rotation.
 
#26
I think this is what Petrie envisioned - they could potentially be perfect complementary players, as Jimmer doesn't really need the ball in his hands to be effective. The biggest knock on Jimmer had been his defense, and it justifiably kept him out of games. Now we're seeing steady improvement. If Jimmer's defense keeps improving, it'll be hard to keep him out of the rotation.
To be fair, Jimmer will never be Tony Allen. It's doubtful that he'll even be as good as Tony Parker defensively. Essentially, Jimmer needs to develop an old-man defensive game to pair with his old-man offense to be effective. Lots of flopping and elbow slaps. Things that won't get called 9 out of 10 times on defense, but frustrate your matchup into getting out of rhythm. Think of John Stockton on Jason Williams in the playoffs. I'd like to see Jimmer foul hard a bit more, but he seems to be a genuinely nice guy who doesn't want anyone to get mad at him.

More Danny Ainge, less Dan Majerle.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#27
To be fair, Jimmer will never be Tony Allen. It's doubtful that he'll even be as good as Tony Parker defensively. Essentially, Jimmer needs to develop an old-man defensive game to pair with his old-man offense to be effective. Lots of flopping and elbow slaps. Things that won't get called 9 out of 10 times on defense, but frustrate your matchup into getting out of rhythm. Think of John Stockton on Jason Williams in the playoffs. I'd like to see Jimmer foul hard a bit more, but he seems to be a genuinely nice guy who doesn't want anyone to get mad at him.

More Danny Ainge, less Dan Majerle.
We need a little of this from Jimmer at some point. Stockton had it and that's a good example.



For the record, I do think Jimmer has the ability to become an adequate defender in this league.
 
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Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#28
I totally agree. My point was that his defense went from "so bad you need to keep him out" to "well, he isn't killing us." It'd be nice for him to keep improving, and I think he will, but I didn't mean to infer that he would become all-world, just not as big a liability.
 
#29
Biggest, okay. Strongest? Nope. IT has better strength and is better at leveraging his strength, although I doubt we'll ever see him post up anyone. IT is also quicker off the dribble than Jimmer.

As to your other point, I like the idea on paper of Jimmer playing with Tyreke. If he plays defense like last night, there is no reason not to. More consistent defensive effort and smarts should lead to a starting role on the team.

Except for, you know, Coach Smart being here and all that. . .
IT is quicker, but not sure about stronger. Jimmer put up 14 reps on the 185 bench at the combine, IT put up 13. IT is stronger "pound for pound" and more explosive athletically but Fredette wins out at least in upper body strength. Wish the combine would measure squat numbers as well, maybe IT can squat more than Jimmer.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#30
IT is quicker, but not sure about stronger. Jimmer put up 14 reps on the 185 bench at the combine, IT put up 13. IT is stronger "pound for pound" and more explosive athletically but Fredette wins out at least in upper body strength. Wish the combine would measure squat numbers as well, maybe IT can squat more than Jimmer.
Depends on how many pizzas he eats. :)