[Grades] Grades v. Mavs 1/10/2013

As the ball movement stopped, who was most selfish down the stretch/OT?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 21 58.3%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Reke

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Coach Not-So-Smart's Dream NBA:

Nice rotations coach. Ya chucklehead.

Also, I have been very complimentary of John Salmons' reinvention this season, but Smart has to tear those autographed Salmons posters with the little hearts scrawled on them down from above his bed, and realize that a John Salmons centric offense is not going to win you anything late in an NBA game. Certainly not on a night when he shoots 4-15 while the other 5 main rotation players all shoot .500 or better.

But hey, the team is still here, there was a good turnout at the old barn, and The Grading Consortium is back. For the second game in a row:

The Grading Consortium is...

Bricklayer
Bajaden
Capt. Factorial


Boxscore

Stats: 38min 11pts (4-15, 3-10, 0-0) 1reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 4TO
Salmons ( C- ) -- Sort of a mixed bag with John tonight. He certainly played with energy, and if his shot had fallen, he probably would have had at least a B-. But it didn't. He missed his first shot of the game, a 3 pointer with the clock running down. He did play good defense on Marion. He had a nice play where he just blew by the defense to the basket for an easy layup. It looked at that point like Salmons was going to pick up where he left off in his last game. He made two nice passes in the same set, and at least one should have been an assist, but both shots were missed. He had another miss with the shot clock running down, and then almost turned the ball over. He came back into the game with 3 minutes left to play in the second quarter, and turned the ball over. He finally hit a three on a second pass from Cuz after missing one, on a pass from Cuz on the same sequence. He started the second half with a 3pt shot, and it was basicly all downhill from there. He did hit a huge three with 50 seconds left in the game, but that was about the only redeeming thing he did. Other than that, it just wasn't Salmons night. --Baja

Stats: 30min 6pts (3-5, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thompson ( D+ ) -- and of course as soon as we start to have some chatter about what a nice solid big Jason is, and how he's the one great consistent in all the maelstrom, of course he comes out and lays an egg. No offense early, but no problems with Dirk on defense (few have this season). Got one quick drive with a tough finish he normally does not hit, but otherwise was in a deep offensive slumber. If he was rebounding that would have been ok, but he wasn't doing that either, which may have opened the door for Smart to justify to himself his disastorus smallball experiment in the 4th. Picked a good time to get his second bucket in the mid-4th on a post on Dirk, and looked a little more lively for a few minutes. Did not lead to anything however, and he closed his night the way he opened it: quietly. Gotta rebound as a PF to get a better grade. --Brick

Stats: 39min 29pts (9-14, 0-0, 11-17) 9reb 4ast 1stl 1blk 5TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- and yet another big game marred by an incident at the end when his frustation at selfish teammtes and stupid coaches boiled over into clocking Vince Carter, who was pretty frustrating himself and playing the refs like a violin. Was active and efficient from the beginning in this one. The jumper was on in a big way, he added another of his every game steals up top and breakways the other way, and a great spin move as well while scoring around Kaman at will. When he returned in the 2nd quarter was quiet, and missed a beautiful spin attemot at the halftime buzzer. Got on the boards in the third, and started to real hammer inside and get to the foul line again and again. Added a big time power move and dunk as per the highlight above and was having himself a big game. There was a change of tone by the time he came back int he 4th. For three quarters he had been a very willing passing, notching an easy 4 assists again and with almost non sicky fingers. But a wave of experimental chucker lineups and John Salmons in particular suddenly forgetting his pay grade, had turned the passing septic by the late game, and DeMarcus responded predictably by getting forcey and 1 on 1 himself with turnovers and diminshed returns. Got visibly upset in the final 3 mintues when we went to Salmons on the right side rather than Cuz on the left. Waving arms calling for it, but swung the other way. Then when he did get it in the final 2 minutes the passing quit and he forced it into traffic. By the OT though he was once again the man. Well, Salmons apparently thought he was the man. But just for the wrong team. But DeMarcus was carrying us beasting inside with power moves to keep us in it despite a defensive collapse. But then the Carter incident happened, and it may have finished us. Not only losing DeMarcus -- he fouled out on the play so the flagant call was irrelevant for that -- but also giving hte Mavs FTs and the ball. Calling it a flagrant 2 was ridiculous BTW. Reputation again. Let's hope th league doie not compound the stupidity with any more suspension shennanigans. Oh, BTW? Cousins last 4 games have been 31pts 20rebs, 28pts 11rebs, 10pts 8rebs (tired), 29pts 9rebs. For the month he is beasting to the tune of: 33.6min 22.8pts (.536 .739) 13.0reb 3.3ast 1.5stl 0.5blk. Don't let Seattle steal this guy just as he's finally arrived. --Brick

Stats: 33min 13pts (4-8, 2-5, 3-3) 4reb 3ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Garcia ( B- ) -- started the game with excellent activity on help defense, coming up wiht multiple tips and blocks, but for 3 quarters and one overtime period of this one Cisco was a ghost again offensively. Oh, he was moving the ball as we had some great ball movement, but he was not able to hit anything, and after a while lacked the confidence to even try. But for one period -- the third -- all of a sudden he was the recipient of multiple excellent ball movement sequences and started knocking down the open shots thus created. May have been aided by the Mavs who foolishly fouled him on a three point attempt to kick the run off -- hell, the way he has been shooting I wouldn't even have been guarding him. But they did, they fouled him, he knocked down all 3 FTs, and then in the space of about 3 minutes he knocked down 2 threes and a long two as part of our run to open this one up to what should have been an unassailable lead. Promptly redisappeared therafter whoever. With the ball movement dead late, so was Cisco's ability to be useful, and eventually was subbed out for Reke in OT. --Brick

Stats: 31min 18pts (6-11, 1-1, 5-5) 2reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Thomas ( B ) -- Didn't move well without the ball, but was able to consistently knife to the basket with the dribble (Damn the Dirk, full speed ahead!) and gradually built his scoring total up. Got a decent number of assists but generally set up Cousins in the post, which doesn't show up in the box score. Kings were extremely ineffective with their PG-free lineup on the floor in the fourth, but IT came back to hit the Hero Three v1 (Bank Style) to send it to OT. Unfortunately, Thomas played notably bad D in the OT period. He did end up making a big steal which looked like a momentum changer but ended up being nothing but hope pyrite. After Carter's two misses at the line, IT missed as badly on Hero Three v2 as on the first, but this time didn't put it into the glass to give it a second chance. --Capt.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 32min 20pts (8-11, 0-1, 4-5) 7reb 2ast 2stl 3blk 1TO
Evans ( A- ) -- after a first game back that was clearly rusty, all of a sudden Reke snapped back (despite his brilliant coach playing him at 4 different positions in one game), and in a great sign he was right back where he had been when he left off in early December. Showed nice strength on defense as the Mavs repeatedly tried to post him with Marion, and teamed with Johnson for a good backcourt hustle steal in the early 2nd. Was a willing passer again in the early going, more willing than as a shooter actuall until he settled in. But got one of his spectacular drives to beat the clock in the mid 2nd and followed with another. Great steal defelecting a ball out by the three point line, snatching and racing the other way for the finsih +1. Both those plays appear in the little highlights package above. Then the 4th rolled around, and this guy, who was playing great ball at SG and SF, suddenly finds his idiot coach playing him at PF. Then at PG. Would have probably ended up at center if the game had not started to spiral. Still carried us offensively in the early parts of the quarter while at PF, including again knocking down multiple jumpers. But when switched off to the point in the latter stages of the quarter some of the same...let's say deliberateness reassertd itself. he brought the ball up slowly, called out plays, normally resulting in Salmosn deciding to go 1 on team and chuck up something awful. No ball movement. Was still brining the defense however, and came upw ith 2 big blocks down the stretch to try to save us. Made several good open court plays in the OT, but was not enough after Cousins got ejected. Still...this was the Reke and Cousins this franchise could and should have had. Should have going forward. They scored 49pts on 17-25 shooting. --Brick

Stats: 10min 4pts (2-5, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Johnson ( C ) -- JJ didn't play that many minutes, but the minutes he did play he was at least effective. He started guarding Nowitzki, and although Dirk made a shot over him, it was a highly contested shot. His first offensive attempt was a drive to the basket where he threw up a wild looking shot that didn't go in. He dove to the floor for the ball, tipping it and Tyreke came up it. He had a couple of nice scores in the post, one in heavy traffic where he just powered his way up to the basket. He also did an nice job to guarding Nowitzki, making him take tough shots. He didn't get many minutes in the second half, and when in the game, he was hardly visible. All in all, he didn't play badly, but didn't do enough to warrant more than a C. --Baja

Stats: 17min 4pts (1-3, 0-2, 2-2) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Brooks ( D ) -- The first rule of Alley-Oop Club is You Do Not Talk About Alley-Oop Club. The second rule of Alley-Oop Club is You Do Not Talk About Alley-Oop Club, But You Do Make Eye Contact So James Johnson Knows It's Coming. Anyway, Brooks had a quiet night on offense, largely because Tyreke was taking a much larger role and the ball wasn't in his hands very much. Had a nice drive to the basket in the 2nd, but ruined his chance for an assist by making a pass to T-Rob in the paint, a generally bad decision if a defender is within olfactory range. Was typically poor on defense, and then got in serious defensive trouble playing in the goofy small-ball lineup, where he was inexplicably most effective switched off on Dirk, who somehow could do no better than miss a forced 12-foot turnaround with a mouse in the house. Got pulled for the big-boy lineup and wasn't seen again until the waning seconds of the game as a desperation floor spacer, but he wasn't really missed. --Capt.

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( INC ) -- sorry Chuck, was too busy arguing with people that two guys who combined for 49pts on 17-25 shooting actually played good games, and almost forgot your, shall we say, more modest contributions. As that interesting boxscore shows, all of Chuck's contributions came as a passer, and all three of those passes came within about a one minute span. Typical of recent usage, they were outside in (except one where he was too short to get the assists from Reke and instead zipped it along the baseline to TRob or Johnson, forgot which) rather than the inside out you normally expect from bigs. And so you have that, and then you have no points rebs, steal, blocks, or anythign else you might expect from a big. And yet the unti there worked. It was a fullsized hustel unit with multiple good defenders in Hayes, Johnson, Reke. TRob did the rebounding. So obviously Smart did the only Smart thing after that unit badly outplayed the Mavs in the 2nd quarter, and never went back to it or Hayes again after half.--Brick

Stats: 13min 2pts (1-3, 0-0, 0-0) 10reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 3TO
Robinson ( B+ ) -- maybe he's starting to get it now. Gave us a strong first half stint just concentrating on the things he could do. The board numbers are a little decpetive in that he never really appeared dominant. Very few were in traffic. But he was back there play after play snatching them, and he stayed off the ball on offense. He used that athelticsm on defense too, going up for a help block. It still amazes that that is not a natural part of his game givien his hops Not liek he was small until he hit the NBA. Was rewarded for his good first half work by being played short minutes, out of positioon, next to a tiny 4 guard lineup in the 4th. Don't ask. Or if you do, ask Smart. In any case, he wasn't terribly effective, nor was the lineup, and it was only short minutes before the starters returned en masse. --Brick

Stats: 8min 5pts (2-3, 1-2, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( INC ) -- in for the first time at the end of the thrid as Smart went to his ridicuball lineup. Came in and missed a three to start as the slump continued, but snuck in as the Mavs tried to advance the miss and picked off a pass and got the layup. Then hit a three from Reke on the break to start the 4th. But he disappeared after that, and the linep was a predictable disaster. This INC is me bailing out because I don't have strong feelings on this grade. Basically made 2 good plays, and no solid ones in support. On top of being in in a stupid lineup. Still a lot better than what we have been seeing from him in the last week.--Brick

Stats: 7min 0pts (0-3, 0-2, 0-0) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( INC ) -- I'm going to do Marcus a favor and jsut call this incomplete. Was thrown into the game randomly by the idiot coach to start the 4th (may have been late 3rd) as we for no reaosn at all threw out an experimental all midget lineup of Brooks/Jimmer/Thoirnton/Reke. So first game back from an ankly injury Marcus gets to come in in the 4th quarter, with a dwindling lead, playuing out of position, in a lineup he has probably never played wiht before. Went abotu as well as you might expect. Maybe worse, as not only was he generally ineffective, but offensively he looked flat bad, chcuking up airballs and mortar shots apparently designed to break the glass. --Brick
 
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#5
It wasn't just the size of the midget lineup that hurt, though it obviously hurt them on the boards. It was the fact that Brooks and Thornton aren't in tune with the team offense the starters are running, and Reke tries to be in tune with it, but I think he started to revert back as well with Brooks and Thornton just launching junk. The Kings don't have a guy who can magically get the team back into the offensive flow. The closest two to that are IT and Cousins, and maybe even *gasp* Salmons, but John caught the junkball disease as well.

That's the issues with a team full of chuckers. It really only takes one or two to poison the well and disrupt the flow. Once the starters got back in, the offense had gone too far south.
 
#6
and its absolutely unbelievable that Smart still has a job


also very suspect that someone in the media mentioned during the presser that Smart got a call from the Maloofs before the game....
 
#8
My analysis

1st quarter: both teams had ups and downs, about even.

2nd quarter: second unit of brooks, evans, johnson, robinson, hayes plays great team defense and extends our lead, starters come back in and close out half fine.

3rd quarter: Starters find their groove, Cisco gets hot, Isaiah and Cuz playing great. Mavs aren't comfortable on offense. Then all of a sudden with the Mavs on the ropes ready to go down, in comes the heavyweights to deliver the final blow, Brooks, Jimmer, Thornton(who hasn't played in a week and a half), with Tyreke moving to PF because he's the best option we have to guard Dirk. Mavs start rolling on our no defense lineup.

4th quarter: the midget lineup stays in and squanders the lead, finally Smart goes the complete opposite way and puts a big lineup out there with Tyreke as pg, problem? Tyreke shouldn't be the primary ball handler, and was doing best on the wings. With 2 minutes left Smart finally goes back Isaiah who somehow banks a 3 to send it to overtime.

Overtime: Other than cousins flagrant (should have been a 1), we got what we deserve.

So the first question i have to ask is if you need to get your starters rest with a double digit lead, why didn't he go back to that defensive lineup that worked in the 2nd quarter? At worst we maintain the lead, or probably bury the Mavs from the defensive efforts that Evans, Johnson, Hayes and Robinson can give. Its just mind bending to think this wasn't the obvious thing to do.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#10
It wasn't just the size of the midget lineup that hurt, though it obviously hurt them on the boards. It was the fact that Brooks and Thornton aren't in tune with the team offense the starters are running, and Reke tries to be in tune with it, but I think he started to revert back as well with Brooks and Thornton just launching junk. The Kings don't have a guy who can magically get the team back into the offensive flow. The closest two to that are IT and Cousins, and maybe even *gasp* Salmons, but John caught the junkball disease as well.

That's the issues with a team full of chuckers. It really only takes one or two to poison the well and disrupt the flow. Once the starters got back in, the offense had gone too far south.
Woohoo, look at me pretty much agreeing with swisshh! What's next? Cats with dogs? Kardashians with class? Kings coaches with smarts?
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#12
Poor Travis, only guy on the roster who didn't get playtime :(
He must have been in the bathroom or something. I'm sure Smart would have found a way to use him if he had remembered him. Unless he was inactive because both Thornton and Evans are back?
 
#15
I actually think Keith Smart is a good coach, but not head coach material. He's a likable guy and would be better suited as an assistant. But alas, he's our head coach.
 
#16
I actually think Keith Smart is a good coach, but not head coach material. He's a likable guy and would be better suited as an assistant. But alas, he's our head coach.
His main issue is inability is his wackjob rotations. He's a good players coach and I think he's actually done a solid job as a X's and O's guy. It's not easy to adjust an offensive system mid-year, but he's done it really effectively with the motion offense.

As you said, he's a good assistant coach. A great one even. Unfortunately for him, managing a rotation is probably the biggest part of the job description which he flat out cannot do
 
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LWP777

Guest
#19
Tony Lopez ‏@tlomedia
Refs in #Kings game must be named Gavin Joe & George They're making some ****ty calls
Tony Lopez? The boxer? Seriously, I don't understand what the issue was with the refs. I thought they did a pretty good job. We can debate whether DMC's foul was an F1 or F2 but in the end it made no difference because that was his 6th foul anyway.

I know I get accused of being a DMC basher here but that foul might have cost the team the game. The Mavs were up 2 with the ball with I think about 45 seconds to go. WIth that foul, they got 2 FT's and the ball...pretty much was the ball game. There was no reason for him to commit that foul. He just loses control of himself sometimes.
 
#20
It's nice how Smart has turned this team into one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. He just has no idea what a rotation is. Nice call on putting Thornton in during the 4th quarter when he hadn't played the entire game! The Kings should demote Smart to the D-league.
 
#21
It's nice how Smart has turned this team into one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. He just has no idea what a rotation is. Nice call on putting Thornton in during the 4th quarter when he hadn't played the entire game! The Kings should demote Smart to the D-league.
Good point. Smart has been successful in turning a pretty good rebounding team into one that gets destroyed on the boards by teams like Dallas.
 
#22
it's impossible to express how incredibly stupid that 3rd quarter lineup was. the game was going completely in the Kings favour, the reserve lineup in the 2nd had worked very well and here coach Smart goes "experimenting". just...why? doesn't he see that winning games and decidedly winning games is something that needs to happen right now, unless he wants to lose the team? can't he give Jimmer and Thornton minutes in a lineup that we'll actually use some time down the road? couldn't he see the OJ Mayo layup line and Vince getting hot? why did he not intervene, declare the experiment failed and end it before the Mavs really got rolling? this game was as blatantly lost by a coach, as you could ever wish to see and in so unnecessarily a fashion that Smart really should be fired on the spot. incredible, just...incredible. I can't even blame the players for their selfishness in the fourth (the vote did go to Salmons though), I would never be able to trust anything that idiot would ever tell me to do, after seeing what happened there.
 
#23
Same here.
I've never been a hater guy and I never write in any fire/trade threads because I always try to think basketball as a collective game.
But I think this loss is 100% Smart fault.
Actually, I've never been so furious about the coach that during this game.
The team played pretty well during 3 quarters and, suddenly, Smart decided to try several brand new (and completely stupid) rotations in the 4th : a small ball lineup that totally put Dallas back in the game (during nearly 6 minutes !!!!), playing Marcus Thornton who was coming back from an injury and completely out of rythm, playing Tyreke at the point, ...
In fact, he came back with his starting lineup only with 1:45 remaining ! During that time, the mark came from +10 to -3 !!!
I can't blame the players whose selfishness looked more like a panic mode.
Absolutely amazed by the coaching as I think Smart would not have act diffenterly if he was trying to deliberately lose this game.
 
#29
Same here.
I've never been a hater guy and I never write in any fire/trade threads because I always try to think basketball as a collective game.
But I think this loss is 100% Smart fault.
Actually, I've never been so furious about the coach that during this game.
The team played pretty well during 3 quarters and, suddenly, Smart decided to try several brand new (and completely stupid) rotations in the 4th : a small ball lineup that totally put Dallas back in the game (during nearly 6 minutes !!!!), playing Marcus Thornton who was coming back from an injury and completely out of rythm, playing Tyreke at the point, ...
In fact, he came back with his starting lineup only with 1:45 remaining ! During that time, the mark came from +10 to -3 !!!
I can't blame the players whose selfishness looked more like a panic mode.
Absolutely amazed by the coaching as I think Smart would not have act diffenterly if he was trying to deliberately lose this game.
we seem to have shared the very same experience. your first few lines apply to me, pretty much exactly, too, at any rate.

another thing that pissed me off, and even more so in retrospect: why the hell did Smart not sit Cuz down when he got his third foul? bring back Chuck, who had another kinda nothing game, except for the assists, but clearly wasn't hurting anything we were doing. we were comfortably ahead at that point and even if the Mavs rally a bit, and they did not seem to have that in them against any of our semi-serious lineups, you can bring back Cuz in the 4th rested and with fouls to spare, to really decimate them, if need be. the way it went, Cuz picked up his 5th quite early and proceeded to play no helpside defense whatsoever, out of fear of fouling out and the layup-line was on. made me sick.
 
#30
My analysis

1st quarter: both teams had ups and downs, about even.

2nd quarter: second unit of brooks, evans, johnson, robinson, hayes plays great team defense and extends our lead, starters come back in and close out half fine.

3rd quarter: Starters find their groove, Cisco gets hot, Isaiah and Cuz playing great. Mavs aren't comfortable on offense. Then all of a sudden with the Mavs on the ropes ready to go down, in comes the heavyweights to deliver the final blow, Brooks, Jimmer, Thornton(who hasn't played in a week and a half), with Tyreke moving to PF because he's the best option we have to guard Dirk. Mavs start rolling on our no defense lineup.

4th quarter: the midget lineup stays in and squanders the lead, finally Smart goes the complete opposite way and puts a big lineup out there with Tyreke as pg, problem? Tyreke shouldn't be the primary ball handler, and was doing best on the wings. With 2 minutes left Smart finally goes back Isaiah who somehow banks a 3 to send it to overtime.

Overtime: Other than cousins flagrant (should have been a 1), we got what we deserve.

So the first question i have to ask is if you need to get your starters rest with a double digit lead, why didn't he go back to that defensive lineup that worked in the 2nd quarter? At worst we maintain the lead, or probably bury the Mavs from the defensive efforts that Evans, Johnson, Hayes and Robinson can give. Its just mind bending to think this wasn't the obvious thing to do.
Pretty much exactly this. When you're up by double digits in the fourth, you don't need a ton of offense. You just need to stop the opponent on more than half of their offensive possessions. Whatever measly offense you put together will be fine.

I'm an idiot and I can see that. Here's hoping that the new ownership, whoever that turns out to be, fires Smart on day 1.