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The_Jamal

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#361
Cousins Clutch time statistics (Inside 5 minutes of the 4th quarter where neither is ahead or behind by 5)

Total Efficiency-- .211 eFG%

Jumpshots---- .143 eFG%
Close(5-10 feet)---- .182 eFG%
Dunk---1.000 eFG% (5% of his total attempts inside of 5 minutes)
Inside(Inside 5 feet)--- .250 eFG%

These are the kind of things that need to improve if he wants to be our closer.
 
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The_Jamal

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#362
Section 101 said:
There is a big difference. Cuz is being asked to be the best player on the team. Monroe is not. There is a lot more pressure on Cuz to perform and take the load.
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Bad Excuse. Monroe is the best player on that team and has been asked to be the best player on that team the past 2 seasons. If Monroe were in Boston or SA, I might agree with you. But the Pistons have been just as dysfunctional and bad as we've been the last 3 years. Despite all that, Monroe is well on his way to being one of the top bigs in the NBA
 
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LWP777

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#363
#363
The_Jamal said:
Cousins Clutch time statistics (Inside 5 minutes of the 4th quarter where neither is ahead or behind by 5)

Total Efficiency-- .211 eFG%

Jumpshots---- .143 eFG%
Close(5-10 feet)---- .182 eFG%
Dunk---1.000 eFG% (5% of his total attempts inside of 5 minutes)
Inside(Inside 5 feet)--- .250 eFG%

These are the kind of things that need to improve if he wants to be our closer.
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He shoots 21% in crunch time? Wow. Eye opening!
 
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LWP777

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#364
The_Jamal said:
Cousins Clutch time statistics (Inside 5 minutes of the 4th quarter where neither is ahead or behind by 5)

Total Efficiency-- .211 eFG%

Jumpshots---- .143 eFG%
Close(5-10 feet)---- .182 eFG%
Dunk---1.000 eFG% (5% of his total attempts inside of 5 minutes)
Inside(Inside 5 feet)--- .250 eFG%

These are the kind of things that need to improve if he wants to be our closer.
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Do you have these stats for Monroe?
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#365
#365
LWP777 said:
Do you have these stats for Monroe?
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Total-- .500 eFG%
jumpshots--- .500 eFG%
inside---.500 eFG%

Now, Monroe doesn't shoot nearly as much in crunch time and he operates within the offense by having a lot of his looks assisted. He's the #2 option for Detroit in these situations, and does well in these situations
 
Section 101

Section 101

All-Star
#366
#366
The_Jamal said:
Bad Excuse. Monroe is the best player on that team and has been asked to be the best player on that team the past 2 seasons. If Monroe were in Boston or SA, I might agree with you. But the Pistons have been just as dysfunctional and bad as we've been the last 3 years. Despite all that, Monroe is well on his way to being one of the top bigs in the NBA
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They have Prince, Stuckey and Villanueva, they had Hamilton, Gordon all scoring ahead of Monroe. He wasn't the focal point his rookie year.
 
Glenn

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#367
#367
I hope I speak for a lot of forum members but when people pull out miles long lists of statistics that I don't understand, I think they are trying to bury the truth in little black on white squiggles.

Cousins is on our team. I don't give a damn about any other big as he is crucial to the Kings franchise and others are not. If you get off comparing him to someone else, and I presume winning but how should I know, have at it. You're wasting my time and I think it is time to use the ignore feature as a couple of you are supporting points of view just to troll. Sophisticated trolls but trolls just the same. That's MY definition so don't gasp in horror.
 
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swisshh

Starter
#368
#368
Monroe operates from the top of the key because you want him operating the Pistons offense from there.

Cousins operates from the top of the key because the Kings offense is aqserfgtyhjukikilolasddfghgjjklazsxdfgnhjm,nmbncx.

It sort of skews the numbers.
 
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KingMilz

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#369
#369
Tbh right now Monroe and Cousins are roughly the same when both are at there best Cousins impact on a game is far greater from what I've watched. But the real stats you want to look at are win's for the season and the impact a player has in those win's since both clubs/players are in pretty much the same position.

Last year the Pistons managed to win 3 more games in the weak Eastern Conference and this year have won 1 more but also lost 2 more than us and Gregs got slightly more talent (injury free other than Stuckey) players around him on a far better built team. Everyone keeps bringing up this shooting % when it really is not that big a deal, player A shoots 4/10=40% players B shoot 5/10=50% its one shot for god sakes. Russell Westbrick as they call him shoots a far lower % than most PG yet has a massive impact on the game on the offensive end.

Cousins also has a far bigger upside I beleive and I have been following both since college
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#371
#371
andremiller07 said:
Tbh right now Monroe and Cousins are roughly the same when both are at there best Cousins impact on a game is far greater from what I've watched. But the real stats you want to look at are win's for the season and the impact a player has in those win's since both clubs/players are in pretty much the same position.

Last year the Pistons managed to win 3 more games in the weak Eastern Conference and this year have won 1 more but also lost 2 more than us and Gregs got slightly more talent (injury free other than Stuckey) players around him on a far better built team. Everyone keeps bringing up this shooting % when it really is not that big a deal, player A shoots 4/10=40% players B shoot 5/10=50% its one shot for god sakes. Russell Westbrick as they call him shoots a far lower % than most PG yet has a massive impact on the game on the offensive end.

Cousins also has a far bigger upside I beleive and I have been following both since college
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It's pretty much a situation of Brad Miller versus C-Webb. In their primes, both were all-stars capable of putting up triple-doubles on a daily basis but C-Webb is the guy you build around whereas Brad was simply a very good player. In this case, Cuz is Webber and Monroe is Miller. There's nothing wrong with being Brad Miller but at the end of the day, I'd prefer having a Chris Webber.
 
Glenn

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#372
#372
I don't expect a trouble free year from Cuz but this has been a great year so far. Wish I knew what triggered his good side. :)
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#376
#376
Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones
DeMarcus Cousins on changing his approach on offense: "I want to win games. If it means shooting less, that’s what I’m going to do."
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Precisely as I said: Winning
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#377
#377
Tetsujin said:
Precisely as I said: Winning
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Beautiful. And the difference is, we actually have shooters now who can make those outside jumpers. The motion offense really suits this team well if Cousins keeps making that extra pass. I'm really excited/slightly nervous to see how we incorporate Tyreke into the flow
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#379
#379
Glenn said:
I hope I speak for a lot of forum members but when people pull out miles long lists of statistics that I don't understand, I think they are trying to bury the truth in little black on white squiggles.

Cousins is on our team. I don't give a damn about any other big as he is crucial to the Kings franchise and others are not. If you get off comparing him to someone else, and I presume winning but how should I know, have at it. You're wasting my time and I think it is time to use the ignore feature as a couple of you are supporting points of view just to troll. Sophisticated trolls but trolls just the same. That's MY definition so don't gasp in horror.
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I live in the world of statistics. I have my favorite players of course like any good fan who I really enjoy, but I evaluate players based on their production. Monroe has been better than Cousins since they've been in the NBA. It's not some sophisticated way to troll. It's the truth. By no means will this continue in the future! Especially if Cousins continues what he's doing the last 4 games. Ignore me if you want, but the "eye test" is not the only way to watch the game and evaluate talent
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#380
#380
Npliam said:
Oh please. I give as good as I get, mmmmmmmkay....
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You made a drive-by snarky comment. I called you on it. Cheap one liners just don't impress me much. You really want to alienate one of the few people around here who actually has defended your presence? Okay by me...
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#381
#381
The_Jamal said:
I live in the world of statistics. I have my favorite players of course like any good fan who I really enjoy, but I evaluate players based on their production. Monroe has been better than Cousins since they've been in the NBA. It's not some sophisticated way to troll. It's the truth. By no means will this continue in the future! Especially if Cousins continues what he's doing the last 4 games. Ignore me if you want, but the "eye test" is not the only way to watch the game and evaluate talent
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Back in the day there was a baseball game called Strat-o-matic. it was totally about statistics. You got stat cards of players, created teams and actually played an entire baseball season based on matching statistical data. I don't remember all the details but I do remember my little brother (who later became an actuary) spending what seemed like every waking hour on the game. Hadn't thought about that game in years and years. I googled it and found out it's been called the precursor to today's fantasy leagues and was displayed in the Hall in Cooperstown. My brother had teams from the early 60s. I wonder what ever happened to those stacks and stacks of cards - he used to study them religiously and could probably still quote you stats of players like Juan Marichal, Orlanda Cepeda, both Willies, etc. I know this is off-topic but your comment brought back some really old memories. :)
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#382
#382
VF21 said:
Back in the day there was a baseball game called Strat-o-matic. it was totally about statistics. You got stat cards of players, created teams and actually played an entire baseball season based on matching statistical data. I don't remember all the details but I do remember my little brother (who later became an actuary) spending what seemed like every waking hour on the game. Hadn't thought about that game in years and years. I googled it and found out it's been called the precursor to today's fantasy leagues and was displayed in the Hall in Cooperstown. My brother had teams from the early 60s. I wonder what ever happened to those stacks and stacks of cards - he used to study them religiously and could probably still quote you stats of players like Juan Marichal, Orlanda Cepeda, both Willies, etc. I know this is off-topic but your comment brought back some really old memories. :)
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Had a basketball game too I played a lot of as a kid.

And a computer game i did the same with. That was a good sim, but a bit limited because of the use of "team cards' and with a tendency to produce aberrant results.
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

trifolium contra tempestatem subrigere certum est
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#384
#384
Uk kings fan said:
found his interesting quote on the Cav's mssage board
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http://www.realcavsfans.com/showthr...13-7-00pm-ET&p=1489083&viewfull=1#post1489083
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His other useful observation was that Kyrie Irving is a good player (another observation downthread from another poster: Shaun Livingston is tall), so I'm not going to place too much weight on the analytic ability of realcavsfans. Who exactly is being treated like trash, anyway? The coaches, the other players, or the annoying fans who ask for autographs during the game?

I'm willing to let one random guy's vague comment go by without worrying about it any more than that.
 
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LWP777

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#385
#385
Capt. Factorial said:
His other useful observation was that Kyrie Irving is a good player (another observation downthread from another poster: Shaun Livingston is tall), so I'm not going to place too much weight on the analytic ability of realcavsfans. Who exactly is being treated like trash, anyway? The coaches, the other players, or the annoying fans who ask for autographs during the game?

I'm willing to let one random guy's vague comment go by without worrying about it any more than that.
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Well to be fair, it's not like he's the only one who has made this observation. Just ask Donte Greene, Sean Elliot, Daniel Shapiro, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, OJ Mayo and others.....
 
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Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#390
#390
LWP777 said:
Well to be fair, it's not like he's the only one who has made this observation. Just ask Donte Greene, Sean Elliot, Daniel Shapiro, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, OJ Mayo and others.....
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Which is precisely why its suspect.

Guy tweets "I am sitting next to LiLo in the restaraunt! OMG, she is such a lush!". Could it in fact be that she is drinkig heavily and being drunkenly obnoxious? Sure. But fact is that's the rep. Once that's the rep, peopel will say that and interpret that almsot no matter what you do. Makes the story more interesting. You are sitting there sipping on a glass of wine. Lush! You aren't drinking at all, but laugh loudly at a joke. Well obviously you are hammered - lush! Or even if you do nothing...makes the story good and the tweeter gets attention/gives their audience what they expect/want.

And so random internet guy who claims to be Cavs fan and claims to be sitting in a certain spot and claims that Cousins (an opposing player kicking his team's *** btw as an additional boost) is mistreating people (who?) during a game in which whenever the cameras are on him he looks pretty happy and is even seen sharing a laugh with Smart in the second half...well I am both dubious, and do not frankly care.
 
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