[Grades] Grades v. Bulls 10/31/2012

On a fugly night, who's offense was the fugliest?

  • James Johnson (1-8 FG, 4TOs)

    Votes: 29 44.6%
  • DeMarcus Cousins (7-14 FG, 7TOs)

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • Isaiah Thomas (3-8 FG, 3TOs, 1Ast)

    Votes: 15 23.1%
  • Marcus Thornton (5-15 FG)

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Thomas Robinson (1-5FG, 3TOs)

    Votes: 5 7.7%
  • Aaron Brooks (3-10FG, 1Ast)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1


Happy Hallowen all!

We had our chances, but so many self inflicted wounds tonight. All in all though, hard not to be encouraged. Had big defensive hustle. Reke looked great. Cousins won't play this way more than a handful of nights etc., and it was right there and winnable.

I'm not going to do a theme tonight, because, well, its the first game of the season, and its a season still with some hope left. So we'll just do basketball until things start to spiral again.

Boxscore

Here is a highlight package from the game the Kings inhouse Kingsflix crew posted on youtube:

Stats: 21min 2pts (1-8, 0-1, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 3stl 0blk 4TO
Johnson ( D+ ) -- I hate to give out low grades for good defensive effort, because, well, we've seen so little of it around here in th epast decade. But...well, there are going to be nights like this with Johnson. His entire history suggests it. And perhaps particularly when going against his old team and his old coach that gave up on him. What that meant was that all night long he was forcing things offensively, trying to do too much. His one offensive moment came early, when, after starting the game with an ugly jumpshot off the dribble to start, next time down he came up with a nice spin drive for the dunk. But otherwise, it was just a mess of an effort. The Bulls wanted him to take that shaky jumper, and when he obliged it wasn't there He mixed in drives into heavy traffic that came up empty, and was sloppy with turnovers the whole night. It wasn't just an offensively impotent night, it was one in which he was far too involved and making far too many mistakes in his minutes, and it hurt us. Now on the other hand he avoids the lowest grades because of hsi play on the other end of the court.. As expected he brought a ton of hustle and effort on defense, had some nice defensive pokeaways, and was a significant part of the early defensive tone we set. It wasn't perfect on that either, as again maybe that same overeagerness caused him to be a little reckless, sometimes giving up position or letting guys get behind him and then trying to recover with length. But it was still an encouraging defensive hustle effort that will help us this season if he brings it every night. Has to calm down on the other side of the ball though.

Stats: 28min 8pts (3-6, 0-0, 2-2) 8reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- and along came Jason, who as always was, well, Jason. By the later stages of the game that made him our best and steadiest big, but that was a bad sign, not a good one. Spent the first half of this one having his traditional problems catching and finishing, but began to have some impact in the second, and in the third made some good passing and hustle plays, and finally got his first shot to fall on a smooth post move over Boozer out of a timeout. Took a big tumble out on the break as he was pulled down and spunaround as he went up for the finish but appeared to be ok. We probably needed to see more of him late in the game as we went small, and then went Hayes for defense on Boozer (Jason never showed much ability to stop either Boozer or Noah). But we missed some big boards late as length became an issue.

Stats: 25min 14pts (7-14, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 1ast 3stl 2blk 7TO
Cousins ( D+ ) -- well, its hard to spin this as anything but a major disappointment for his 2012-13 debut. He had some offensive moments early, of the pure talent variety. Smoothly splashed a long jumper over Noah, made a steal up top and a brilliant pass ahead to Reke on the break, then drove by Noah for a dunk. But the plays were isolated, and he JJ and IT were in some sort of bizarre try to do too much TO competition. The Bulls, whatever our own struggles, are just an extremely impressive defensive team, and they had Boogie in a box for much of the night, not just defensively, but with 2 and sometimes three big bodies pinning him away from the boards as well. For the first quarter it looked like Boogie was going to play it cool, make an impact when he could, wait for his openings, get his hands on a lot of balls on defense (hsi new specialty seems to be aggressively showing up top on picks and stealing balls from startled bigs on the perimeter and rumbling with them the other way) But our youth, and his lingering immaturity bit us in the butt in the second quarter, when after returning in the mid-quarter he racked up 3 fouls in the space of about 4 minutes, 2 of them on questionable block/charge calls where he wasn't getting the benefit of the doubt. Just like that a game that looked destined for no foul trouble was back into his normal pattern, and his frustration was building. And the wheels fell off in the third as we tried to go inside to him and he got smooshed as things began to get scrappy inside. He got even sloppier, lost his cool, and when he picked up his 4th foul, added his first T of the year behind it. Doh. Gotta get past that. Not the start he was dreaming of I imagine. Late in the game returned and made a few brute strength plays muscling through walls of Bulls, but turned it over again at the 2:00 mark as we blew many chances late, and missed a jumper we needed next possession. Here's the amusing thing -- despite the sturggles, the turnovers, fouls, technical, all the slop that hurt us...he makes so many pure talent plays that his per 36 numbers were still 20-10 with 4steals and 3blks. Now on to Pekovic, who frustrated him last year.

Stats: 39min 21pts (8-13, 1-2, 4-4) 8reb 3ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Evans ( A- ) -- there were two big reasons for encouragement form this game. One was the teamwide defensive hustle that was just night and day from last season. The other was the play of Tyreke, who was simply dominant in the early going, playing one of the best overall quarters we have seen from him. Was just doing it all, getting out on the break, slashing to the hoop HARD (once adding Hinrich to his personal highlight as he euro stepped right around him as he tried to take a charge), and not always for himself either as he dropped some nice passes off along the way, and was critically splashing in his jumpers. Maybe more importantly this was a two way effort as he was getting his hands on a lot of balls on defense early, getting back on the defensive glass (and as the game went along actually got stronger defensively, completely smothering Luol Deng for much of the second half). His reward for the early excellence was being iced by his own coach as he was the first starter to the bench, and the last one back in, watching us lose our lead and stagnate completely on offense while he was out of the game. After finally returning, was almost too unselfish -- his first forced shot did not come until late in the 3rd quarter -- before capping the half with a brilliant spinning drive to beat the halftime buzzer. Amongst the other encouraging signs was Reke unselfishlessly giving the ball up to teammates as he and occasionally Hayes were about the only people creating anything for other players -- but after a while you almost wished he would stop and just take it himself as teamwide shooting percentages plummeted. Went the whole way the second half as by far our steadiest player, and was expending huge energy wearing Deng out all over the court in maybe the most impressive extended stint of defense we have seen from him. Unfortunately did not finish the game off the way you would have hoped, as following a tough force and hit at the 50 second mark to cut the lead to 3, he made back to back mental errors that kind of closed the door that he had just reopened, first mysteriously fouling Deng from behind the next possession when that seemed the last thing you wanted to do, and then with 36 seconds to go getting called for a 5 second violation when our sidelines inbound play broke down and he did not use our last timeout. As I said at the top of the page, so many self inflicted wounds for us tonight.

Stats: 25min 10pts (3-8, 2-3, 2-2) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Thomas ( D ) -- really struggled in his season debut as Kurt Hinrich, an excellent defender but a guy seemingly givng up a lot of quickness, was surprisingly able to really smother him and severely disrupt our offense. The single assist he notched tonight was not part of the scheme like our final preseason game where Reke did most of our handling while IT worked off the ball as a scorer. This time IT was handling and trying to initiate, but Hinrich was seemingly in his head from the beginning of the game, constantly challenging him and redirecting him and causing IT to force shots or make bad decisions for turnovers. Finally got a pair of threes spotting up off the ball for his positive contributions of the night, but not able to control the game and his struggles to initiate the offense led to Brooks (far from excellent himself) running the team down the stretch.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Stats: 32min 15pts (5-15, 1-6, 4-5) 4reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( C- ) -- came in off the bench struggling as the Brooks/Thornton led bench again was surprisingly punchless offensively. Began to get energy going as the 2nd wore on -- maybe there is something to his saying he needs time to warm up when he comes off the bench. Get that guy a stationary bike. But even while his activity increased his accuracy did not, and was missing everything in the first half despite some wide open setups by Reke and the PGs in the corners. And while he was not obviously bad on the other end, compounded things by getting scored over repeatedly by Rip. Finally went on a little mini-Thornton run in the late 3rd/early 4th after we got him going wiht a nice backcut for a layup, and he followed with a dirve, a tough contested shot to begin the 4th, and a three a minute later. But it was a shortlived burst, and after blowing the gimme layup on the break that would have gotten us to within 1 at the 7:30 mark was largely a forgotten man, rarely even getting looks let alone lighting it up despite going the rest of the way.

Stats: 22min 3pts (1-5, 0-0, 1-2) 3reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Robinson ( D ) -- was a tale of threes -- 3pts 3rebs 3TOs 3fls -- as TRob looked the rook in an opening game struggle. Smartly just swung the ball after catching it in long jumper position immediately after entering, and after apparently missing the layup set up by Brooks at the first quarter buzzer, got his first NBA point afte the refs reviewed it and sent him to the line where he split. Inexperience showed on both ends therafter. Picked up 2 quick offensive fouls, and stuggled against Gibson on both ends. Got an alley oop in the mid 2nd for his first, and thus far only, NBA hoop, but it was smothered in turnovers and mistakes. Battling on the boards and snatcehd a few good ones, but was losing most of those battles. Swatted badly when he tried to post up Noah and was still struggling with Gibson's physicality in the 4th. Before he left we tried to get him one more hoop with a backdoor alley oop play for him out of a timeout in the mid 4th, but it got broken up. I don't know what his grading scale will be yet, so I'll just go fishing and assume this was well down the chart.

Stats: 23min 7pts (3-10, 1-3, 0-1) 3reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Brooks ( C- ) -- not staying in front of Nate Robinson or able to get anything going guiding the reserves in the 2nd,. Offense looked terrible, but at least was able to avoid the turnover plague that enveloped the rest of the team. Made a couple of outstanding defensive plays over the course of the game, including going staight up and blocking a fast break attempt by little Nate, causing the Bulls to foul on the reboudn attempt. But then a minute later made a costly error fouling Bellinelli on a 3pt shot just as we were starting to close ground -- again, self inflicted wounds tonight. With IT ineffective, went most of the 2nd half before ofuling out, and despite being generally quiet made a few big plays down the stretch. Hit a huge 3pt shot at the 3:40 mark to get it back to 5. As a reward got a frotn tooth broken off the very next play as he dove for a play and Hinrich landed on top of him smashing his face into the ground. Ouch. But stayed in the game ouch, and played until he finally fouled out in the final seconds. Note our 2 PGs combined for 6-18 shooting, 2 assists, and 3 TOs. That isn't going to win many games.

Stats: 8min 5pts (2-3, 1-2, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Garcia ( INC ) -- got the bulk of his minutes in what could kindly be described a staying out of the way effort in the 2nd. Unfortunately that included staying out of the way on both ends. Scored on a backcut and a spot up three, per the job descripotion, but no real impact. Made first second half appearances in the final minute as he was subbed in as an extra shooter. Not sure that didn't disrupt us though as he replaced a big, we immediately got a 5 second call on an inbound etc.

Stats: 18min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 3ast 1stl 1blk 0TO
Hayes ( C+ ) -- in to start the 2nd, and immediately made a nice high post pass to a backcutting Cisco -- one of three or four of those as in a nice coaching move we have obviously added a lot of those old Princeton style sets to the offense specifically to utilize Chuck's one offensive skill. Followed with a good boxout rebound on the other end. Unable to score inside as usual with the bench crew, but got a lot of late minutes at PF as we again appropriately used him to try to slow Boozer, and he had his moments down the stretch wiht some nice stands. Loses points here for lack of boardwork this time out, with the one that really hurt us coming at the 2:50 mark when he got muscled out of the way for a critical board by Boozer, who recovered, laid it in, and got the +1 to push the lead back out to 8. Not dazzlingly effective overall, but had his moments and we used him correctly.

Stats: 0min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( INC ) -- in for the only time on the final play of the first half as a 3pt shooter. Was such an iimpressive 6 second stint that he led the team in +/- at +2.
 
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#4
This was a game I felt we could have won. We stuck with them for the entire game. I am not disappointed though with the loss because I KNOW our offense will click, but that defensive effort was MONSTER tonight!
 
#5
Regarding the poll;

IT's offense was the worst IMO. The reason being is that he was guarded so well that he couldn't get into the offense so we basically were winging it the whole night. That causes about half the turnovers we see up there..

So IT is my vote.
 
#8
I really felt we beat ourselves tonight. Losing that offensive rebound to Boozer for the And-1. Having no idea who to go to down the stretch for 2-3 straight possessions. Then bringing in DMC off the bench and expecting him to close the game offensively when he's out of rhythm. Then Tyreke's brain farts, from the foul to the 5 second count.

Lots to clean up, but our talent is good enough to be right there. Plus our defensive effort was fantastic. Definitely some positive signs going forward.
 
#13
It has been a while since the last Kings game I saw. Overall I'm more optimistic about the season than I was 24 hours ago.

Pleased with: Evans, Hayes, the teamwide defensive effort.

Not pleased with: halfcourt offense, Cuz and JJ's sloppiness.
 
#19
Like the Lakers (Nash potentially being out helps)
Unless that team crumbles right before our own eyes, I doubt many teams in the West will be better than the Lakers, if any at all. But you never know with the amount of talent they have on that roster. A serious clash or two can immediately put the magic ball in our court...

Realistically, I see us better than Minnesota, Phoenix, and New Orleans, with a better record than Houston and Golden State highly unlikely but very much possible...
 
#20
pretty ok with this loss. beat ourselves, really, while showing a lot of encouraging signs.

looooved Tyreke. his defense was bananas. AND he had those offensive moments that reminded me of his rookie year when i would think "holy **** - this guy could be unguardable someday"

so...that's exciting.
 
#22
I thought the game was played well overall. Offense was sloppy, but with Smarts preseason focus and the Bull's D it was to be expected. I actually thought smart subbed pretty well today. They went small when it made sense, probably stuck with that line up for a minute or two too long, but not horrible. I'm really torn on Brooks, he looks like a capable defender, but I don't like his offensive game. Too similar to Thorton. I think Thorton is going to push for 6th man of the year.
 
#23
Unless that team crumbles right before our own eyes, I doubt many teams in the West will be better than the Lakers, if any at all. But you never know with the amount of talent they have on that roster. A serious clash or two can immediately put the magic ball in our court...

Realistically, I see us better than Minnesota, Phoenix, and New Orleans, with a better record than Houston and Golden State highly unlikely but very much possible...
I really didn't see anything from the Lakers except 5 individuals out there in the three preseason games we had against them and the two reg season losses. If the Lakers keep playing like that it wont matter how much talent they have, they won't be very good.

The problem with these "super teams" is that if the players don't fit together then you are going to have an expensive crappy team. If the Lakers play like this all year they will be lucky to make it in as a 7th-8th seed.
 
#24
If we play this hard, we will win on a lot of nights this season. As i said before, Bulls are an elite defensive team and beating them on their home opener was a tough task. We were there despite bad offensive nights by everyone other than Tyreke. Will be interesting to see how they respond against a weaker team like the T-Wolves.
 
#25
I really didn't see anything from the Lakers except 5 individuals out there in the three preseason games we had against them and the two reg season losses. If the Lakers keep playing like that it wont matter how much talent they have, they won't be very good.

The problem with these "super teams" is that if the players don't fit together then you are going to have an expensive crappy team. If the Lakers play like this all year they will be lucky to make it in as a 7th-8th seed.
Honestly I think the real problem for them is the coach. The Lakers' 4 guys actually fit pretty decently, other than the issue of Kobe having the ball in his hands a lot less. But Brown is ****ing them over with his stupid offense that is not going to work because Dwight is not a good passer, and Nash/Kobe/World Peace are not cutters. People questioned whether there'd be enough shots to go round for the Heat, but Spoelstra's figured out a system that lets all the players play to their strengths, with Wade and Lebron driving, Bosh just setting up for 16ft jumpshots and the rest of the team being there to play defense and hit 3s. I'm not sure how taking Nash and Dwight out of the pick and roll is playing to their strengths.

But back to the Kings, I was pleased with Evans, and I don't think anyone can blame him for this game. If not for his effort we wouldn't even be in a situation to possibly win the game. I think Smart has some work to do in improving the scoring of our second unit. We have the potential to have a deadly bench, but it'll require some well drawn up halfcourt offense.

Overall, I'm pleased with our defensive effort. Nobody, even the eternal optimist, wants to see their team lose their first game in half a year. We can be good this season. More adjustments need to be made, and I for one feel that Smart really needs to start committing towards building a steady offense.
 
#26
I prefer Isaiah coming off the bench, that second unit in the second quarter only scored off of backcuts. There was no penetration from our gaurds. Brooks can penetrate, but he only looks to score off of it, and it wasn't gonna happen for any of our gaurds tonight (except Tyreke). Let Tyreke be the primary ball handler in the first unit. Isaiah and Thornton is a better pairing imo. Also i wanted to see Hayes on Boozer more. He was the only one that was able to make him uncomfortable. Boozer was just getting too many easy looks on his midrange jumper.
 
#27
I thought the game was played well overall. Offense was sloppy, but with Smarts preseason focus and the Bull's D it was to be expected. I actually thought smart subbed pretty well today. They went small when it made sense, probably stuck with that line up for a minute or two too long, but not horrible. I'm really torn on Brooks, he looks like a capable defender, but I don't like his offensive game. Too similar to Thorton. I think Thorton is going to push for 6th man of the year.
I too was pleasantly surprised with the rotation tonight. It was mostly a 9 man rotation, and with the exception of a couple of things (Taking Tyreke out when he was hot in the 1st quarter, and not bringing back JT quick enough down the stretch) I thought it was fine. And considering the defensive disaster last year that was the three guard rotation, you can definitely see the improved effort across the board from those guys, so I'm not too worried when they go to that lineup. A lot of positives defensively that should allow to win a lot more games this year.
 
#28
Bulls were really intense, made excellent adjustments and went into post every time Kings allowed mismatches. They played versatile defense versus Cousins: Noah can guard Cousins' dribbling and when he tried to establish position they either fronted him or just swirmed. Isiah was nervous and in part, I think, because Smart is not defining who the starter is between him and Brooks. Smart needs to think through his substitution patterns. He had enough time to see who works better with whom. And, please, "no!" to whole bench on the floor. If Thornton is your main weapon on the floor like screens for him in bunches or put Isiah, Tyreke or Cousins on the floor.
 
#29
Cousins for me, victim of two very iffy calls when trying to take charges then went into full "sulk" mode. We had two critical possessions down the stretch where he forced things in the post with absolutely no room and turned it over and then jacked up a long shot. Add to that the 7TO/Tech, just not going to get it done. Not really taking anything from it, it's one game, but if you want to be an all star/franchise player "sulk" mode isn't the way. I'd rather see him get angry.

Smart needs to stop stroking the ego of some of these players too. Tyreke was on simple as that. My plan would have been get him the damn ball and get out of the way, he very probably would have carried us over the top with 7/8 more touches. The gameplan can't be "lets hope MT gets hot, so give him loads of shots to brick"

I suspect a lot of these problems will ease when we're not seeing the Bulls but still..

As for the coaching, yeah the rotations are iffy, but Smart aint out there throwing the ball away 21 times, simple as that. All in i liked what i saw on D and we'll get some wins when it clicks on offense as long as we see the hulk, not the sulk.