Tyreke and the max

[sidney]

So Hibbert and Gordon get max deals this summer which raised an eyebrow. Neither are franchise cornerstone two way players. Now softee Brook Lopez? Unbelievable

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222252/Brook_Lopez_Agrees_To_Four_Year_$61M_Deal_With_Nets

Given the market how could it even be possible that Tyreke signs for less than the max next summer? Even with his flaws he's shown more than any of those guys IMO. Someone's going to smell blood in the water with the Maloof's financial troubles and offer Tyreke the max if Petrie doesn't offer it first. Is there any advantage to waiting until next year?

 

[Bricklayer]

the big key thing is going to be getting Reke back for the 4yr max, because we need the 5 for Cousins.

And BTW, those short periods show why again I thoguht making the contracts even shorter was NOT helpful by the NBA this offseason. They are desperately trying to avoid paying slugs and injured guys for year after year. Well, they should have tried to put some of that language in. Because as a small market team all the shorter and shorter contracts have done is hastened the day when your best young players can walk away from you for free right in the prime of their careers.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

the big key thing is going to be getting Reke back for the 4yr max, because we need the 5 for Cousins.

Actually, the beauty of NOT offering Tyreke an extension this summer is that we can sign him to a five-year max contract in the offseason and still have the 5-year max extension for Cousins. The limitation is on five-year extensions, not on 5-year contracts. You can offer a 5-year contract to any player you have full Larry Bird rights for (like Tyreke) without limit.

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually, the beauty of NOT offering Tyreke an extension this summer is that we can sign him to a five-year max contract in the offseason and still have the 5-year max extension for Cousins. The limitation is on five-year extensions, not on 5-year contracts. You can offer a 5-year contract to any player you have full Larry Bird rights for (like Tyreke) without limit.

aha, I had not read that. That is very handy for a young team.

Why then was Lopez only offered the 4? Aside from him being a very dubious max candidate anyway?

 

[sidney]

Actually, the beauty of NOT offering Tyreke an extension this summer is that we can sign him to a five-year max contract in the offseason and still have the 5-year max extension for Cousins. The limitation is on five-year extensions, not on 5-year contracts. You can offer a 5-year contract to any player you have full Larry Bird rights for (like Tyreke) without limit.

Did not know that. Thank you!

 

[Capt. Factorial]

aha, I had not read that. That is very handy for a young team.

Why then was Lopez only offered the 4? Aside from him being a very dubious max candidate anyway?

That's what I would guess. It seems that most of the contracts being handed out this offseason are four years - and that's the limit if you're signing somebody else's free agent - but the ability for five years is there. If evolutionary pressure moves basically all contracts to four years, then so be it, we can sign Tyreke to a four-year contract as well. Like Lopez, he hasn't reached his potential and has (for now, hopefully not when we have this discussion next year) some obvious flaws in his game.

 

[IfAt1st]

As long as Tyreke can't figure out what to do when NBA defenses pack the paint against him and make them pay, he won;t remotely be worth max contract money.
Anyone who did give it to him without seeing major improvement in many areas would be insane.

This is his FOURTH YEAR.

By December, it will become clear whether he's remotely worth max money.

 

[Tetsujin]

aha, I had not read that. That is very handy for a young team.

Why then was Lopez only offered the 4? Aside from him being a very dubious max candidate anyway?

Maybe to make his contract more palatable in a trade?

 

[ParniValjak]

That's what I would guess. It seems that most of the contracts being handed out this offseason are four years - and that's the limit if you're signing somebody else's free agent - but the ability for five years is there. If evolutionary pressure moves basically all contracts to four years, then so be it, we can sign Tyreke to a four-year contract as well. Like Lopez, he hasn't reached his potential and has (for now, hopefully not when we have this discussion next year) some obvious flaws in his game.

Didn't we re-sign JT for 5 years (ie not extended him but re-signed him)?

Oh and only a fool thinks that Tyreke will not get a max contract even if he remotely returns to his rookie season form and I mean remotely. Look at the MAX deals given out and Tyreke is a better player than half of those guys.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Didn't we re-sign JT for 5 years (ie not extended him but re-signed him)?

Yes we did. I was just saying that this offseason a lot of players who are eligible for 5-year deals (Bird free agents staying with their own team) seem to be signing four-year deals anyway.

 

[Glenn]

The Bee today said that the exact details of JT's contract haven't been released so I wonder where people are coming up with specific numbers. I think what has been said is most likely to be accurate but I still wonder. I am encouraged that TWill's name hasn't popped up anywhere and that we are talking with him. He probably shot himself in the foot with his mouth and has gotten a bad reputation with the rest of the NBA. Maybe he has learned a lesson and could be a decent part of a stable Kings team. To me, he stood out as having great court vision and judgment.

 

[Kingster]

I know the Kings org is going to wait to see how Tyreke does this year before offering him a contract, but an interesting question is: If you had to make Tyreke an offer today what would you offer him?

 

[mac]

I know the Kings org is going to wait to see how Tyreke does this year before offering him a contract, but an interesting question is: If you had to make Tyreke an offer today what would you offer him?

I'd pretty confidently offer him the max or something near there. Based on his work ethic going into next season I think he's gonna shine, and I also think Smart can take his game to a higher level if he focuses on coaching him properly.

 

[kingjatt]

I know the Kings org is going to wait to see how Tyreke does this year before offering him a contract, but an interesting question is: If you had to make Tyreke an offer today what would you offer him?

I think he would take nothing less than at least what lopez got. I hope his thrist for a contract doesnt lead to any type of number stuffing or iso ball.

 

[mr. moustache]

I know the Kings org is going to wait to see how Tyreke does this year before offering him a contract, but an interesting question is: If you had to make Tyreke an offer today what would you offer him?

50m, 4 years.

That contract will either be a bad deal, or a good deal depending on how he develops. He's kind of a boom or bust player.

 

[sidney]

50m, 4 years.

That contract will either be a bad deal, or a good deal depending on how he develops. He's kind of a boom or bust player.

No way Tyreke signs that unless he crashes and burns this year. Batum just signed a 4/46.5 deal and he's nowhere near Tyreke's talent level.

 

[Gary]

aha, I had not read that. That is very handy for a young team.

Why then was Lopez only offered the 4? Aside from him being a very dubious max candidate anyway?

Wasn't the 5th year a team option? So wasn't it technically 5 years? If I am not right sorry about that Maybe I am thinking of JT's contract.

 

[IfAt1st]

No way Tyreke signs that unless he crashes and burns this year. Batum just signed a 4/46.5 deal and he's nowhere near Tyreke's talent level.

IMO, teams would be absolutely insane to sign Tyreke (up to right now in his career) for that kind of money.

 

[rhythmless]

No way Tyreke signs that unless he crashes and burns this year. Batum just signed a 4/46.5 deal and he's nowhere near Tyreke's talent level.

Markets crazy. They play diff positions. Tyreke doesn't even have a position. Also, Batum fits a lot of places as 3rd/4th option player who is effective off ball, good in transition and a good spot up jumper. Tyreke, although with more talent, is harder to fit within a team. If these players were cars, Batum is more of a mid level sedan while tyreke is a sports car roadster; the roadster is a better drivers car, but you need ideal conditions (no kids, sunny weather, no cargo, a wife who won't complain about being in it, less than 6 feet tall, etc). Most people(or team) would opt for the sedan because of flexibility, while it takes a specific person (team) to exact the most out of a sports car. Otherwise, you're just wasting the cars advantages and only getting the disadvantages (higher insurance, loud, small, cramped, no cup holders, no jump shot).

Somewhat convoluted metaphor, but you get the gist. It's why tyreke may get a good offer, but I believe they will be limited in number because he doesn't fit next to an all star level point and he doesn't fit next to a sf slasher. Rebuilding teams will go after him for talent, but teams with a couple talented kids may avoid him because his game right now is hard to pair.

Ignore all this if he plays excellent defense, hits the open 3 and has a semblance of a midrange jumpshot this coming season.