Desert Island Authors Draft - INTEREST THREAD

Capt. Factorial

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#1
I've been given the go-ahead to recruit participants for the Desert Island Authors Draft. By my count we've already had 6 express interest (myself, Prophetess, jalfa, kingsnation, Warhawk, Jespher). I believe the accepted draft minimum is 8 so we'll need a few more to chime in with interest. This is the thread specifically for that!

I'm not sure when the draft will start - it will probably be timed to coincide with the start of one other TBA draft, but I'm guessing it will be before the end of the playoffs.

Incidentally, I've drafted up a set of (negotiable) rules - I'm not sure whether this is the appropriate thread to post those in for discussion (probably?). If so, I'll drop those in below.
 

VF21

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#2
I've been given the go-ahead to recruit participants for the Desert Island Authors Draft. By my count we've already had 6 express interest (myself, Prophetess, jalfa, kingsnation, Warhawk, Jespher). I believe the accepted draft minimum is 8 so we'll need a few more to chime in with interest. This is the thread specifically for that!

I'm not sure when the draft will start - it will probably be timed to coincide with the start of one other TBA draft, but I'm guessing it will be before the end of the playoffs.

Incidentally, I've drafted up a set of (negotiable) rules - I'm not sure whether this is the appropriate thread to post those in for discussion (probably?). If so, I'll drop those in below.
It's been done before and it can help to resolve problems before the draft actually starts. :)
 

Capt. Factorial

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#5
OK, I've got some provisional rules here. I've tried to cover every contingency I could think of - please check them out and see if there's any disagreement or anything needful that I've missed.

1. Nonfiction, fiction, poetry, picturebooks, etc. will all be included - if an author works in multiple genres, by drafting them you get all genres.
2. To be eligible, works must have been published in a bound, single-author (or co-authored, see #3/#4 below) edition. Works that have only appeared in a magazine, journal, or multiple-author compilation (as opposed to co-authored book) will not be included. For clarity, if author Abby Ceady wrote an article for Time magazine, that article would not be included. If that article was also published in the multiple-author compilation "Best of Time Magazine" it would still not be included. However, if it was published in "Articles and Essays: Best of Abby Ceady", then it WOULD be included.
3. Co-authors: To be considered a co-author, an author must be listed on the cover of a book, but the book itself must be a collaborative work, not a compilation of pieces from individual authors. A book where individual chapters are alternately credited to Abby Ceady and Jake Lemon is considered a multiple-author compilation and will not be included.
4. A book that is written by co-authors will be included in the works of BOTH authors so long as it is an occasional collaboration: two or fewer works shared among co-authors. If the same co-authors produce three or more books, their collaborations must be drafted separately from their individual works (e.g., you could draft Abby Ceady-Jake Lemon to get their "Man O' Pique" trilogy, even if Abby Ceady's individual work had already been drafted).
5. If the author's works appear in multiple translations, or in multiple editions, you would be allowed to select your preferred translation/edition, though you need not specify that at the time of drafting.
6. If an author has worked as both an author AND a translator/illustrator, only his/her authorial works will be awarded to you. If you specifically wish to have a copy of their translated/illustrated works you must draft the original author. Translators and illustrators may not be drafted on their own (but author-illustrators may).
7. Works of antiquity whose authorship is uncertain or contested will be considered to have been written by the traditional author. Final say on which works have been "traditionally" written by a particular author will be delegated to Capt. Factorial (and Wikipedia).
8. Works without a traditional author are not eligible for selection (e.g., you can't select "Anonymous", or "Whoever it was that wrote 'Arias To You' ")
9. If an author has alternately written under multiple names (pen names, etc.), all works by that author will be included so long as the multiple names are publicly accepted to be the same person. In this case, you should draft the best-known name and note the other names this author has used.
10. Only works that have been published as of the start date of the draft (TBD) will be included.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#6
I won't be participating but I may vote so I'm curious what is the point of this rule:
2. To be eligible, works must have been published in a bound, single-author (or co-authored, see #3/#4 below) edition. Works that have only appeared in a magazine, journal, or multiple-author compilation (as opposed to co-authored book) will not be included. For clarity, if author Abby Ceady wrote an article for Time magazine, that article would not be included. If that article was also published in the multiple-author compilation "Best of Time Magazine" it would still not be included. However, if it was published in "Articles and Essays: Best of Abby Ceady", then it WOULD be included.
I mean if someone picks a well known essayist that has books but also a regular magazine column that they are far more well known for, we all know that they will likely be picked on the basis of the latter and when everyone votes the voters (especially non-participants) will likely consider the latter, especially if that is how the person is most known, so why make a rule that is very likely to be ignored?
 

Capt. Factorial

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#7
I won't be participating but I may vote so I'm curious what is the point of this rule:

I mean if someone picks a well known essayist that has books but also a regular magazine column that they are far more well known for, we all know that they will likely be picked on the basis of the latter and when everyone votes the voters (especially non-participants) will likely consider the latter, especially if that is how the person is most known, so why make a rule that is very likely to be ignored?
I would expect that for the most part, someone who is known primarily as an essayist will have those essays collected into a volume, so it may not have that great of an effect. I also don't want anybody getting the idea that they could draft an essayist for a magazine and consequently get a copy of the entire magazine. To some extent, rule #3 regarding multiple-author compilations is in the same vein.

Since this is an imaginary draft, I don't suppose there are any real constraints as far as imaginarily supplying an author's material from a magazine/compilation without giving material not written by that author. Show of hands, should I change this to include material in magazine/compilation sources so long as everything not written by the author is excised?
 

Warhawk

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#13
I would expect that for the most part, someone who is known primarily as an essayist will have those essays collected into a volume, so it may not have that great of an effect. I also don't want anybody getting the idea that they could draft an essayist for a magazine and consequently get a copy of the entire magazine. To some extent, rule #3 regarding multiple-author compilations is in the same vein.

Since this is an imaginary draft, I don't suppose there are any real constraints as far as imaginarily supplying an author's material from a magazine/compilation without giving material not written by that author. Show of hands, should I change this to include material in magazine/compilation sources so long as everything not written by the author is excised?
I don't think this is a problem. If someone drafts a person who has essays in say, Time Magazine or whatever, I think we can all make the clear distinction that they don't get "Time" in it's entirety. But I will admit that that was a question I hadn't considered before you posted the rule.

And I am assuming that authors on the internet are ineligible? Not that I was going to pick one, just wondering since you brought up the magazine example.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#14
And I am assuming that authors on the internet are ineligible? Not that I was going to pick one, just wondering since you brought up the magazine example.
I think at some point you do have to draw the line, and publication/nonpublication is probably a good one. We don't want anybody claiming diaries and the like. Internet-only content is hard to pin down and probably doesn't account for much volume altogether, so I'd be inclined to say no.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#15
That is one of those things again though where someone could take someone like Bill Simmons who has two books to his credit but everyone voting is going to consider his blog career which they are familiar with.
 
#16
That is one of those things again though where someone could take someone like Bill Simmons who has two books to his credit but everyone voting is going to consider his blog career which they are familiar with.
I'm not much of a reader (anymore), but I think that people will only consider selections how they see them, regardless of which draft it's in or which rules are in place.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#17
I'm not much of a reader (anymore), but I think that people will only consider selections how they see them, regardless of which draft it's in or which rules are in place.
I agree, that's why I think some of these rules that seem pretty reasonable just don't work in practice. Now if it was "just fiction" or something that makes sense. But if it's more open, if someone picks Joe Bob's blog with 5 readers who does it really hurt besides the drafter anyway?
 
#18
As mentioned previously, I'm in for this draft. It sounds like fun! Let's try to get 12-16 participants. We're currently stuck at 7 and counting...
 
#19
As mentioned previously, I'm in for this draft. It sounds like fun! Let's try to get 12-16 participants. We're currently stuck at 7 and counting...
Including me, I hope. We could make it really simple and just limit it to actual, published, bound books (not the vanity press type), fiction or non-fiction. That's a gigantic field and shouldn't cause much limitation for anyone.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#27
I don't imagine anybody else is going to join up. I suppose 8 is fine. The list is:

Capt. Factorial, Prophetess, jalfa, kingsnation, Warhawk, Jespher, kennadog, NoBonus.

If you want in, or need to beg out, speak soon or forever hold your peace.

Do we need a mod greenlight to start? I suppose if nothing else we need a third-party randomizer to determine draft order.


Also, I'll update the rules to allow internet, etc. because everybody seems to think it's reasonable.