[Grades] Grades v. Lakers 03/02/12

Kings ertwhile scrubby of the night?

  • Chuck Hayes

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • Jimmer Fredette

    Votes: 11 29.7%
  • John Salmons

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Francisco Garcia

    Votes: 19 51.4%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Well, if we want to have Smart as our coach forever (insert preteen girlish gushing emoticon and some hearts and maybe baby unicorns), here's a note: The Bench is starting to play. That could be a huge benefit to the team. As long as you, the coach do not get confused about who is the bench and who is the starters.

So that's kind of what to take from this, another loss. The bench has had two good spurts now in back to back games. Which makes about two good spurts all season long. Given their complete incompetence for the entire season has been a major reason why our record is so bad, that can only be a good sign. Now the flip side is that the coach is now overplaying them. If he wants to play the bench starter's minutes nobody can stop him if he is new BFFs with the owners, but we will go 0-30 to finish this season with a lineup that would make the Bobcats cringe, and sometime between now and the end we will have the inevtable stars revolt.

Anyway, so we got beat, and our playoff doomsday clock ticked a little closer to midnight. But it was not an awful defeat after our ertshile scrubbies made a run and forced the Lakers to put Kobe back in, so its not a Girls loss. Its the weekend, got a day off, so we'll go with a different type theme. Soon as I dig one up.

Theme is going to be: Liu Bolin, an artist with a fun schtick.

Boxscore

Evans (B ) -- on the boards, set up Thornton for several shots, and a good job on Kobe defensively late in the first, but again had problems finishing over the rim. Muscled in several layups to start the 2nd as we tried to stabiize the bench, but again in what is quickly becoming a troubling pattern was left on the bench virtualy the entire second quarter despite generally strong play. Efficient takes and backdoor cuts in the early third and made a great defensive play coming over for the help block on Bynum after Cousins forced him baseline, then retrieving the ball along the sideline and getting fouled. Had some moments defensively against Kobe too as the only guy amngst our starters to have any chance on him, although it was kind of up and down. And then the 4th comes around and...not a minute again. Bench played well to get us a chance...and we didn't take out shot. So, going to try to ignore what has become a trend lately as this is the third time in the last 4 games Reke has been largely held out of the 4th quarter, and in 2 of those 3 games he was playing well.

That's not photoshop.

Thompson ( D- ) -- for the second night in a row faced a major frontline challenge and came up looking unworthy in the process. Was blowing easy ones at the rim in the early going again as the Lakers length had him off to an 0-6 start. Finally got a little inside flip to fall in the final minute before half, but it was the only hit of the night. Again he wasn't much on the boards, and in back to back nights against L.A.'s collection of giants he came up with 7pts and 4rebs, COMBINED. Now here's one of the starters who actually should have stayed on that bench in the 4th.


Cousins ( C ) -- well the good is that he racked up 10pts and 13rebs in only 23 min of action. the bad is that despite generally playing well early, he seemed to get distracted by the Bynum thing/rivavlry, got himself into foul tourble when we tried to bring him back to stabilize the reserve frontline in the second quarter, and then abruptly started having problems with the Lakers length in the third, began to tire and throw up junk, and just kind of quit running the floor altogether in what I can only assume was fatigue. Reminds you every once in a while of what a kid he really still is. did a pretty good job avoiding picking up the benchign fouls in the third, and was racking up rebounds, but as the efficiency went to hell and the body language and defensive effort slumped,ended up benched for the entire 4th quarter despite our radically underiszed resrves trying to battle Bynum and Gasol. that's some on him, some on the coach, who's needs a substitution czar intervention here.

Again, not photoshop. Incredibly meticiulous paint, and then a photo.

Thornton ( C+ ) -- a giveth and taketh away effort, depending on what side fo the court he was on. Unable to slow Bryant at all in the early going, but hit several threes in transition the other way and was scoring back in response. Kind of an Exhibit A to the additional defensive difficulties we have assumed with a 5'9" PG now. Two weeks ago with Reke/Thornton/Salmons we can play games and hide the Thornton defense on Fisher, have Salmons take Kobe, have Reke fight Artest. Now with IT Isiah has to take the PG, so our options are either have Marcus Thornton try to slow Kobe, or try to muscle 6'8" 250lb Artest. In any case, did not work so well, although Marcus mostly did what he is out there to do. Neither he nor Reke were bad at all offensively and both were on pace for 20pt nights before their coach scuttled them. It was the other end that killed us, and on that end Kobe just had his way.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Thomas ( B- ) -- an ok game, but probably not as solid as the numbers. A little dispappointing given that he seemed to have a clear opportunity here for a bounceback game against maybe the league's slowest and least athletic PG, but just never had much of an impact. Had several selfish stretches where he looked primarily for his own shot, including some questionable takes early in the shotclock. Several mistakes in the first blowing opportunities, and airballed the corner three to close the quarter. Had his most effective stretch in the mid third where he was finally able to use his quickness to get into space with consistency, but had stretches of shot happiness again as the offense largely collapsed. Sat most of the 4th with the other starters.



Bench

Hayes ( B- ) -- had size related problems on defense and the boards all night long against this frontline, but has been showing better fight of late, and had his moments. Pretty good defense on Pau in the late first. but just too small against Bynum in the early 2nd. picked up fouls and an adventure again on offensw until the 4th quarter when the bench somehow snapped into focus, and Chuck found a role as high post passer helping us to overcome the shall we say limited ball movement promised by a Salmons/Jimmer backcourt. Couple of good plays going back and forth with Jimmer in the early 4th as we got back within shouting distance. And a good pass to a backcutting Cisco as we briefly made things interesting late. Still was getting boarded over and racking up fouls trying to contend with the Lakers size, but this was the first time in a while where there seemed to be a counterpunch ability, where Chuck wasn't just a smaller less talented version of the guys he was facing, but actually had a unique way to counter their advantages.

At the Great Wall.

Greene ( C ) -- of the whole bench crew maybe the most mysterious one, as hetook too many shots, never really got going, seemed to clearly be in line to be subbed out late for Cousins, and yet somehow felt like maybe he was being the glue guy again just by competing and filliing in frontcourt holes. Invisible first half minutes until hitting a three late in the half to get us back to within 4, but spent the rest fo the game missing big threes that we needed on the way to a 1-6 night. Missed a reverse dunk in the mmid 4th that looked like maybe it would swing momentum against us and finish is, but we hung on. Fought well in the post against Gasol on defense, but racked up an astounding, and kinda ridiculous given his production, 32 minutes after being completely ignored even when clearly called for for several games. Hard to juatify. Grade wise will go above what the numbers dictate in respect of the glue factor, but can only go so high.


Fredette ( B+ ) -- did not hit his first half shots, and was having trouble getting the ball -- must have amused Lakers fans to see Jimmer literally jumping aorund on one play waving his arms saying "gimme! gimme!" while Salmons MUHAHAHAHAHAHAd his way through his version of the point guard position. But after an ineffective 0-3 first half, Jimmer stepped up and was one of the major pillrs of the unlikely bench unit which got us back in the game. Good pass to Hayes on the break in the early 4th to cut the lead to 14. Nice stutter step move to get by Bynum and cut it to 11. And like last night once got confidence going= the shot seemed to follow. I think it continues to be a key to get him off the ball, or at least get him guarded by the likes of Steve Blake where he does not have to worry aobut getting jumped and trapped and can just try to get into a shooting rhythm. Came up with the big three at the 5:00 mark of the 4th as we got it down to 5, but that was as close as we'd get.. Chucked up a pair of 28 footers inside the two minute mark, and actually hit the first, but by that time was gunning too much, once waving off the whole team, wasting most of the clock just to clunk a long jumper. 5-6 4th quarter here far more important than the 0-3 first half.



in progress...
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Salmons ( B+ ) -- continued his resurgence as a PG of sorts to make all of the pure PG people run screaming for the hills. Maybe a bring it up guard would be more accurate. Several hits, and was perfectly comfortrable bringing the ball down and shooting off his bounce without lettting the other children play. Really battled kKbe when Kobe returned in late in the half. Came back in in the late 3rd and played tough defense on Kobe onyl to have Kobe overwhelm him physically and with hustle after the initial misses. Three from the side at the begginning of the 4th as we had fallen down 20 and decided to just one on one us back into it Decided to just one on one us back in it with jumpers off his own bounce near the top of the key, then adding a steal.


Garcia ( A- ) -- really the most complete competitor of the competitive bench crew who showed so well in this one. In the early going had several nice pokeaway steals sneaking in behind guys and was hitting all his shots to help the bench stay within contact. Hit a three off the nice ball movement right before half to get the lead down to 7. Some saavy plays in the 4th again. A backdoor cut, steal, great block on Kobe trying to go over Salmons. He's been around too long for anybody to be holding their breath that he will wver bring this consitently, but it was one of those really good strong handsy performances where the blocks, steals, pokeaways and timely scores just kept coming. Would have liked to have seen what would have happend with a Cousins/Hayes/Cisco/Thornton/Reke crew to try to close it in the final 4 minutes, but we just never gave ourselves that chance.
 
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#5
Bad 3rd quarter. Was the difference in the game. The bench came alive in the fourth. Jimmer seems to be a bit more comfortable.

Here's an idea for a theme. How about World War II war-birds (TBF Avengers, Spitfires, Junkers, Bearcats, etc.) since Smart BOMBED out again with his moves.

Go Kings.
 
#7
For all the recent love for Isaiah Thomas being our savior PG and Tyreke being apparently incompetent at running an offense, IT rarely sets guys up in a halfcourt set. Looks like he's looking for his own shot just as much as Tyreke or Thornton, if you ask me. In fact, I think Tyreke made more effort to set guys up when he was running the point. For this reason, I think IT should come off the bench.

If I was coaching this game, I would have started Jimmer/ Tyreke(at the 2 to guard Kobe)/Salmons or Garcia/ JT/ Cousins. Since Hickson was out we would have no choice but to maybe play Outlaw and Greene a little to give Cousins a breather, provided he didn't pick up so many fouls. Jimmer on Derek Fisher isn't too disastrous a match up, and Jimmer's getting better at running the offense, and would also provide a spot up shooter for Tyreke to kick the ball out to. Then you have Thornton and IT coming off the bench for offense going against Goudelock and Blake, as opposed to trying to make Marcus Thornton guard Kobe.

BTW if I was Tyreke I would start getting thoughts of asking to be traded. Coach Smart clearly doesn't give a **** about him anymore and prefers to let IT run the show, even though IT takes as many shots as Tyreke. Tyreke must be thinking "screw this, first they make me a point, then a SG, then a point, then a SF, then now they aren't even bothering to play me at all"
 
#8
The theme of the board seems to be that Coach Smart cost the Kings the game because he didn't put the starters back in. Being a fan of a team really blinds people.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#9
The theme of the board seems to be that Coach Smart cost the Kings the game because he didn't put the starters back in. Being a fan of a team really blinds people.


Not nearly as much as being a fan of a player.

By the way, Coach Smart did not necessarily cost them the game...but he did cost them the best opportunity to win the game. Chances are we lose anyway. But you lose going down swinging as opposed to shrugging at the inevitable.
 
#10
Not nearly as much as being a fan of a player.

By the way, Coach Smart did not necessarily cost them the game...but he did cost them the best opportunity to win the game. Chances are we lose anyway. But you lose going down swinging as opposed to shrugging at the inevitable.
Sloan would have left the bench in. He has very little tolerance for not trying.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#11
Suggested theme: Strangest roadside attractions (reminiscent of a trip along the old Route 66)
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#12
Sloan would have left the bench in. He has very little tolerance for not trying.
You keep on dropping Sloan's name as if you think it carries any weight here. This is not a Utah board. Sloan is not a member of the holy trinity in these parts. You'd do better off dropping Adelman's name, except Adelman would have had the starters back in.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#13
Sloan would have left the bench in. He has very little tolerance for not trying.
Did I miss something or is your new catchphrase "Sloan would have ..."? I've yet to see any report anywhere that says Jerry Sloan is even the slightest bit interested in getting back into coaching. I'm not talking about wistful fanhope stuff. I'm talking about a report from someone who actually knows Sloan and has heard him express any interest in returning to the game.

I'm usually one of the ones who defends Keith Smart, but I'll reluctantly have to agree with Brickie. The bench did a good job but the starters should have come back in to seal the deal.
 
#14
You keep on dropping Sloan's name as if you think it carries any weight here. This is not a Utah board. Sloan is not a member of the holy trinity in these parts. You'd do better off dropping Adelman's name, except Adelman would have had the starters back in.
Yep. Nobody on the board talks about wanting Sloan to coach the team......my bad.
 
#15
Did I miss something or is your new catchphrase "Sloan would have ..."? I've yet to see any report anywhere that says Jerry Sloan is even the slightest bit interested in getting back into coaching. I'm not talking about wistful fanhope stuff. I'm talking about a report from someone who actually knows Sloan and has heard him express any interest in returning to the game.

I'm usually one of the ones who defends Keith Smart, but I'll reluctantly have to agree with Brickie. The bench did a good job but the starters should have come back in to seal the deal.
Ha Ha Ha.."seal the deal".
 
#16
As much as I don't like Smart's substitutions, I have to agree with him tonight. The starters were pretty lethargic in the 3rd and dug a hole almost too deep to get out of, however the bench played with hustle and intensity and made the game winnable. I don't think putting the starters back in were going to seal the deal for the kings at that point, it's not like we have superstars that are game changers in our lineup.
 
#17
Something pretty consistent with this team... they can look very gassed on back to back games. More often than not they miss easy shots and lazy on defense.
 
#18
I love Cisco, but he is often as bad as he is good. Never seen a player that combines such fire and intensity with such stupidity on a regular basis.
Jon Barry?



Cisco can't hit the broadside of barn but his fire is reason to keep him around.
 
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#19
Before we learn to win we need to learn to shoot consistently. Sure we can go on streaks where we make 4 threes in a row....the problem is that usually occurs after missing 12 of them and getting down by 20 in the process. As much as I like Tyreke, his lack of a jumpshot is absolutely killing his game. I don't care if he never becomes a 3pt threat...but he needs to be able to make a mid range shot, period. If he is incapable of doing that I would trade him, unfortunately we won't know the answer to that question for a few more years and after his value drops significantly, but i do know one thing...he hasn't gotten any better since we drafted him. Also, i like smart, but it was dumb to not bring in Cousins and Thorton in the last 4 minutes of the game. The bench did their job getting us back in it, but its the starters job to win it for us.
 
#20
Unless we win, it's kind of a lose/lose situation for smart. Leave the bench in and we lose, should have put the starters in. Put the starters in and we lose, smart should have rode the bench longer. As the saying goes, hind site is 20/20.
 
#21
BTW if I was Tyreke I would start getting thoughts of asking to be traded. Coach Smart clearly doesn't give a **** about him anymore and prefers to let IT run the show, even though IT takes as many shots as Tyreke. Tyreke must be thinking "screw this, first they make me a point, then a SG, then a point, then a SF, then now they aren't even bothering to play me at all"
I agree. It is just a matter of time and we will have another disgruntled star. Another setback and team development will continue to be delayed.

Oh well, at least the team looks cute with a midget starter running the show. BTW, has any of those midgets ( Spud Web, Mugsy Bogues, Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson) ever win any Championships in the NBA?
 
#22
I agree. It is just a matter of time and we will have another disgruntled star. Another setback and team development will continue to be delayed.

Oh well, at least the team looks cute with a midget starter running the show. BTW, has any of those midgets ( Spud Web, Mugsy Bogues, Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson) ever win any Championships in the NBA?
This team looks much better with Thomas running the point... thats why he is playing. Evans should be playing SG on this team but with Thorton at that position its hard to have him do so. This team was just horribly put together and the Tyreke as a PG experiment has failed imo. That doesn't mean he can't be a ball handler and a good passer, but he needs to do it in the mold of wade, not Chris Paul.
 
#23
This team looks much better with Thomas running the point... thats why he is playing. Evans should be playing SG on this team but with Thorton at that position its hard to have him do so. This team was just horribly put together and the Tyreke as a PG experiment has failed imo. That doesn't mean he can't be a ball handler and a good passer, but he needs to do it in the mold of wade, not Chris Paul.
Ok, then play him at SG and bring Thornton off the bench! I think that the team has been looking a little better offensively with Thomas starting, but not so against the Lakers. Against the Lakers he didn't set guys up at all, was totally just looking to shoot and shoot and shoot.
 
#26
As much as I don't like Smart's substitutions, I have to agree with him tonight. The starters were pretty lethargic in the 3rd and dug a hole almost too deep to get out of, however the bench played with hustle and intensity and made the game winnable. I don't think putting the starters back in were going to seal the deal for the kings at that point, it's not like we have superstars that are game changers in our lineup.
Excellent point.... With this team the starters and the bench are mostly interchangeable (with the exception of DMC who should have been in the entire 4th). BTW - what is with Donte thinking he is a 3pt shooter?
 
#28
I think Garcia is making a good case for that starting SF spot. I think those Cisco legs are back and he's been an awesome pesky player on both sides.

One good move Smart has done is to let Salmons bring the ball up instead of Jimmer. And Jimmer has been pleasantly gaining some swag.

And I love that Cisco block on Kobe even if twas from the blind side. LOL
 
#29
We got 107 points against the Lakers in LA. That is a vast improvement. The bench play was a plus and made a game of it. When bench players a making a run, I say leave them in there, especially with the compressed schedule. Back to back games used to be a big deal. This year we have teams playing 4 games in 5 nights. The starters need some rest.

Watching the Lakers do lay up drills in the first half and get 65 points is the real issue. The Kings push the ball on offense, but are still slow in transition defense. They often look winded with the new style of play and are not the best conditioned team in the league, although the youngest. Teams with an inside outside game can really make the Kings look bad.

The Kings were stuck in the 80s in terms of point production for the first part of the season. IT at the 1, and even Salmons at the 1 off the bench (dare I say it) is working. 100 points against the Clippers, 107 against the Lakers. Big improvement. The Kings were badly outrebounded by a big talented team last night. Their offense is good enough already to win a lot of games. The defense is still a different story.

One more thing. The team is moving much better without the ball. Thornton and Garcia especially, but now Evans are getting some layups on back cuts and screens away from the ball. The Kings need to run fast break drills at every practice. It is a glaring weakness.
 
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Kingster

Hall of Famer
#30
Tyreke played a good offensive game. At the 3. He was moving without the ball in the half court, and did his usual on the fast break offense. He looked good out there. Nice to see his teamates were looking for him from the wing when he was on the move. The D wasn't loaded up on him like when he plays pg. I hope more of that happens in the future. Overall, I thought the Kings played the most intelligent offensive game I've seen all year. Very few turnovers. Very few bad shots. Keep it up and get the first team to play some D and they win.

The bench played great on D. The undersized bench. They were rotating great and creating turnovers because of it. I wonder if Smart kept his starters out in the 4th because he wanted to send a message about playing D? If the first teamers could play D with the intelligence and passion of the 2nd team, they win this game.

IT started the game playing like a rookie who had just won Rookie of the Month. Not a good thing. After he got reigned in some, then he started playing like IT. After that, I didn't see the overdribbling and poor shot selection. He made some great passes that weren't converted within 2 feet of the basket. Of course he's going to have ups and downs. He's a rookie, guys and gals. That doesn't change the failure of Tyreke at pg. We have a large body of work on that experiment.