[Grades] Grades v. Wizards 2/22/12

Kings Player of the game?

  • Tyreke

    Votes: 11 22.9%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 30 62.5%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jimmer

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Wow, well...we survived. Survived coming out obviously already on vacation at the beginning of the game. Survived some idiotc substitution patterns, including a huge and unnnecessary risk Coach took late in the game where if we'd dropped this, his best players would have been questioning him. And just...survived. But it was a win, and if we're not already out of the playoff running, maybe it keeps a flicker of hope alive as our schedule flips around and we play every game at Arco for 2 months.

Congrats to Reke for a great 25 minutes of action mysteriously ended by his coach. To Thornton who was all guts after half. To IT, who was completely overwhelmed for 2 1/2 quarters, before once again finding the extra gear and pouring it on late. And I guess to Cisco for stopping moaning "Brains!" long enough to give one of those roleplayer efforts we so desperately need. Also congrats to Salmons for finding an excuse to hide out and not be missed, and to Donte, who apparently once again found his way into Mrs. Smart's bed -- how else to explain his completely random appearances and disappearances? Finally congrats to Javale McGee, for being even dumber than the Kings.

Be kinda nice if Geoff could do something significant and get us some help over this All Star break. Ekeing out a come from behind victory agianst the league's worst team while allowing them to score 15pts above their average does not exactly convince me we're fixed.

Boxscore


Evans ( A- ) -- if I projected this game out to where it normally would have ended up, this easily could have been a 30pt 8ast night and a flat A. But on a strange night where our coach was playing minute games, I'll leave it at an A- just for not being there to close it, whether that was his fault or not. For the first half of the game though was our sun and our moon, and just completely carried us on a night when frankly many of our guys did not come out ready to play to start the game. Started to take over in the mid-first and turn the game into his own personal layup drill, getting to the hoop again and again. And was the man tasked, somewhat mysteriously so, with trying to keep us afloat with the 4 struggling backups all in there together for virtually the entire second quarter. Was just overwhelming the Wizards all half long and it looked like summer league out there. Twice misplayed end of quarter possessions, but not by waiting for his shot. Instead both times waited too long to make a pass, and we didn't even get the shots off. Wasn't much else he was doing wrong though as he ended the half 7-9 from the field, only had a single turnover, and had outscored Chris Singleton 20-0. Came right back out and got off to the good start to the 3rd again with a quick layup, then a block inside on defense. But quickly got himself into foul trouble trying to contain Wall, who had killed us in the first half, and then a straoge thing happened. The guy who had carried us all game with 22pts 6rebs 4ast on 8-10 shooting in only 25min went to the bench early in the third...and he was left there. All I have to say to that one is that it is very fortunate for Smart that we pulled out the win. The Wizards has the lead with less than 6 minutes to go and no Reke. It was still only a 1pt lead with 3:45 to go, still no Reke. If things had gone south and we finished the roadtrip 0-6 there would have been some major questions raised, possibly in his own lockerroom. However they did not, and we pulled off the win. But there is no way we do so without Reke keeping us within striking range during a first half where we could easily have been down 20.

Thompson ( C+ ) -- played the most minutes of any King. Why? Well...ask the coach. Jason was solid, but rarely more than that. In the first half actually was somehwat less than that as he seemed to have a case of the Flutters -- I coined the nickname Flutter for Spencer Hawes when he was here for his tendency to flutter around the court not getting much accomplished, and in the early going that was where Jason kind of was in this one. Couldn't quite get the rebound, seemed trapped in space on defense, neither challenging nor being completely blown by, missing layups an flips by being intimidated by McGee. Not awful so much as largely ineffective. But after half as the game slowed down and got more physical, began to come on and be a solid contributor. Boarding picked up ,began to get to people's bodies better on defense, probably merifully was never going to have a chance to shoot as the Thornton and IT show heated up. Better fit next to Hayes than Hickson, as he could cover Hayes' size deficiency better. Ended up with a solid enough 9pts 11reb in 40min night. doing just enough to help without ever doing anything special. Hey, hit his FTs too, so that's something in itself.

Cousins ( C ) -- you know, maybe of all our guys, I felt that Boogie was the most mentally checked out for the All Star break to start this one. Hit his first jumper, but then back the other way oddly stepped away from challenging Wall's penetration after he beat IT baseline -- maybe a gift there to his buddy. Was still having problems with the shotblocking, and it made him resort to flips rather than going inside. And when he did go inside to do his pound the glass until it goes i thing, it almost semed too easy. Rather than muslcing attempt after attempt over/through guys, he was just missing easy open ones and sort of casually reaching up with one hand and playing pattycake until something finally found the middle of the rim. Big raw stats, but just felt very inefficient and loose like this was one of those summer league exhibitions. Came on a bit down the stretch before half...on offense at least. Defense on Mcgee was just horribly casual, again almost exhibition like as he just wasn't moving his feet at all and didn't seem inclined to bother recovering. Some big rebounds, but the decisionmaking was let's say shaky all night long. Kinda capped that theme by picking up another technical foul for no apparent reason, and has to be careful now. Depsite his rep actually picked up very few of those until recently, but has been getting one here or there now, and doesn't want to get that rep. So 16pts 16rebs...and yet i did not really feel it was a very good game for him. Didn't feel intense or focused, was throwing up a shot a minute and not hitting many of them, looked disinterested defensively. This was just the escape day effort. Funny thing is that having seen how easy it was, I am more convinced than ever that DeMarcus could just destroy these guys in epic breakout game fashion if he came with his game face on. But this just wasn't that day.

Thornton ( B+ ) -- one of several players, our next two in particular, who basically had radically different halves. Got off to the slow start on both ends -- although he had a few nice hustle plays the shot wasn't falling and he was often late on defensive rotations. Then in another one of those odd subtitution patterns of Smart's tonight, Marcus mysteriously sat the entire 2nd quarter so that Jimmer could show him how really getting lit up was done. And even came out to start the third struggling and not getting much accomplished. But then in true Microwave fashion (because you know inevitably when you have Isiah Thomas, then Reke will be Dumars and Thornton Vinnie Johnson) came up with back to back to back jumpers in the mid 3rd jarring us back to life, and tying the game with the last one. And from that point on was maybe the best player on the floor and extremely aggressive getting to the hoop and coming up with a series of big offensive rebounds and finsihes off of IT misses. Once again that same dynamic with Marcus, where no matter how bad he is going, you just keep him on the floor because he's points in a bottle, and you never know when the stopper is going to pop out. And when it does he can be a game changer.

Thomas ( B+ ) -- into quick foul trouble against Wall, and having problems challenging his dribble or keeping him from going wherever he wanted. Also was ineffective as a closeout defender on the numerous open jumpers the Wizards were getting. Had 1 or 2 nice plays, including a nifty behind the head pass to Cousins off the drive, but capped things by being unable to get his own offense going at all, and had to watch Jimmer tale all his second quarter minutes. By halftime Wall had 15pts and 5ast to IT's 2pts 1ast. But like Thornton things would change after half. Actully the moment when things began to turn was the same. IT started the thrid with an assist on Reke's final hoop, but then disppeared again doing nothing as Wall headed toward a triple double, and throwing a couple of bad passes. But then he got the assist on the first of Thronton's hits, then the assist on the second of Thornton's hits, and he began to remember that hey, he was Isiah Thomas, mighty mite extraordinaire, and he wasn't going to take crap from anybody. Got consistently stronger from there on out, feisty on both ends, and if intiially Thornton was bailing him out a lot by collecting his misses and putting them back through the hoop, by the end of the game IT was the closer as the Wizards just kind of collapsed from exhaustion as much as anything else. So going to peg his grade along with Thornotn's -- IT is forming up a Lin-like cultish presence now that will have anything he does be an A. But I don't do cults. Far from perfect and Wall had one of his best game's of the season against him, but it was a scrappy late game performance stepping up when needed for us to get the victory, and back to back games where all three guards were major contributors.

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Bench

Hayes ( C+ ) -- well except for those minor areas of basketball like scoring and rebounding, has begun to play a little better. During a long shaky first half stint alongside Hickson was so offensively lacking confidence that he turned the ball over trying to throw it back to Reke immediately after Reke dropped it off to him, hot potato style. Wanted no part of it. Repeatedly rebounded over in that first stint as his lack of height killed him, and while I've seen it before I am beginning to forget how he ever was an effective rebounder. Finally did something right with back to back nice passes to Reke and Cisco on the cuts. Hey, maybe he should be a guard. In the second half ended up being part of the mixed crew that eventually pulled the game out. Did little statistically in those minutes, although did have a follow and a pair of FTs, but on that doing subtle things theory, he was making some good defensive plays that won't apepar anywhere in a boxscore. Right place and right time. Able to handle switches onto perimeter personnel, and to ride penetrators without picking up fouls.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Fredette ( C- ) -- after not playign at all vs. Maimi, apparently now because of the impossible matchups, came out here in front of the BYU fans (why are there so many in D.C.?) and got to play the entire second quarter. And got LIT UP. Had no chance in open cout defesne at the pace the game was being played, and Hordan Crawford, you know the delusional guy who said in the offseason he was better than Jordan? As in MJ? Well if he got to play Jimmer every night he just might be. Finally after the defensive struggles he hit a three..and guess what? It was on the catch and shoot from Reke. Had another hit and several FTs, including a pair on a pretty hard hit on the break that knocked him down. No idea though why he got the extended minutes in the 2nd, and then none at all after half. Coach just seemed to be pulling guys' minutes out of hats. Was some offense here, but the defensive issues were too extreme to ignore

Hickson ( D ) -- in with a bricked catapult to start. Defense was terrible. Just not challenging anyone as he and Hayes again struggled together.

Garcia ( B ) -- hit a jumper as the only one of our reserves worth a damn in the first half. Saved a hoop with defense on the break just before half. In early in the third for Reke's foul trouble, which was not exactly an even swap given how Reke was playing and could have spelled doom had Thornton and IT not woken up. But once those guys came to play and the offense was taken care of, Cisco settled in and ended up playing the entire rest of the way doing a lot fo the little things that he can, or at least used to be able to do. got his hands on a lot of balls on defense, scored in roelplayer ways backdoor cutting and running the break etc. Stayed out of the way of the main guys as he showed that he still has the roleplayer game that we need so much more of on ths team. just a questin of whether he can still bring it consistently. And after missing all his threes, hit maybe the sealing three at the 1:20 mark.
 
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#3
I'm really curious what happened with Reke and DMC. If Reke got minutes, he could have gone for 40 with a triple double. Regardless, I'm glad the losing streak is over. Also glad MT got some of his mojo back and IT continued tearing it up.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#5
I'm really curious what happened with Reke and DMC. If Reke got minutes, he could have gone for 40 with a triple double. Regardless, I'm glad the losing streak is over. Also glad MT got some of his mojo back and IT continued tearing it up.
On IT..yeah that's going to be the storyline there -- people can't resist it.. And good for him coming back late. But he got RUINED in the early going of this game, and his inability to even touch Wall or distract their shooters realy hurt us in the early going.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#6
Interesting, you both noticed the odd substitution patterns also. I'm glad we pulled it off, but it's playing with fire if you're Smart.

However, IT and Marcus did carry us the the 2nd half and were mainly responsible for the win. So was JT. He needs more time out there. Always good to go into the AS break on a positive.
 
#8
I would love to give Tyreke player of the game and he would've had it, if not for one of the most bizarre coaching decisions I've ever seen, but as it played out it has to be Thornton. did some major league clutch stuff out there (including his two putbacks late) that have been sorely missed.
 
#9
I don't think we can get any value for Salmons. Amnesty is probably the best bet.
I would throw a Thornton/Hickson + #1 pick headlined package at the Pacers and see if we can grab Granger away from them, the way Paul George is playing. Banish Salmons for the season, roll with Granger and Greene at the 3 spot, amnesty the fish after the season.
 
#10
i agree with you chicharito hernandez but i do fear that donte will become a great player when he leaves and will tear us up when he gets the chance for the fact that were not playing him hes our goone squade leader no more pre game dancing
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#11
I'm really curious what happened with Reke and DMC. If Reke got minutes, he could have gone for 40 with a triple double. Regardless, I'm glad the losing streak is over. Also glad MT got some of his mojo back and IT continued tearing it up.
DMC was at the scorer table ready to come in when Hayes made a couple of good plays. At the next timeout, DMC walked back towards the bench and told Coach to let Hayes stay in. As far as Reke goes, yes he was doing very well but it was the bench that actually got us back the lead. They were doing the job so I tend to agree with the decision ON THIS NIGHT to keep the guys in who were getting the job done.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#12
I would throw a Thornton/Hickson + #1 pick headlined package at the Pacers and see if we can grab Granger away from them, the way Paul George is playing. Banish Salmons for the season, roll with Granger and Greene at the 3 spot, amnesty the fish after the season.
Can't trade the pick until draft day. Now JJ is still under contract at that point which might be enticing. MT+pick+JJ(salary dump) allows IND to be more active in the FA market which they want to do.

I'd definitely consider it if they were interested. I do think with the way IT is playing and if it keeps up, MT won't be here very long. He'd be our most valuable piece we can trade outside of Reke/Cousins, and IT does make him expendable if we get a starting sf in return.
 
#13
Coach gambled... and won. No doubt about it - the players he left on the floor pulled it out.
2 points, though -

1) I'm pretty certain if he had subbed in Tyreke and/or DMC, the Kings would have won the game anyway.
Smart's only risk was in leaving those guys IN - he risked nothing subbing his top 2 guys back in. So I'll give him props for having brass balls for a good reason - sticking with the guys that fought back and got the lead and ended up keeping it.

2) If they'd lost this game, many prominent KF's would have wanted Smart's head on a platter, no doubt.

This game is a walking epitome as to why the shotblocking stat (on its own) is overrated.
McGee is the poster child for blocks being too important in the NBA - his absurd over-valuing of blocks gives up quite a few points, and as Jerry said would have many old-timers who value defensive big men to roll in their graves. What good is a block that sails 7 rows back? All it does it take a second or 2 off the clock - your team doesn't get possession. Hope it makes him feel like a Big Man on the court.
He could barely stop himself from swatting away balls that were almost in the cylinder - WAY after they were on the way down. He was standing underneath the basket like a giant 6th-grader would flaunt the rules and just swat every shot away on the lowered baskets.

Good defenders that can also block shots? Invaluable to a team.
Blocks just on their own? Unless you factor in the points they give up through blown coverage and goaltending, not so much.

Anyway, nice to see the Kings win one, but it was quite a bit disconcerting that they had to have such heroics in the second half to pull it out. They simply should not be even close to the Wizards.
 
#14
DMC was at the scorer table ready to come in when Hayes made a couple of good plays. At the next timeout, DMC walked back towards the bench and told Coach to let Hayes stay in. As far as Reke goes, yes he was doing very well but it was the bench that actually got us back the lead. They were doing the job so I tend to agree with the decision ON THIS NIGHT to keep the guys in who were getting the job done.
Just wondering how you know that DMC was the one who told Hayes to stay in?

I'm content with Smart sticking with the bench since they won. IT and MT were on fire and I'm sure have all the confidence in the world now. My only thought is had they lost, like Bricklayer said, we and our main guys would be wondering wtf was going on? Especially since Reke had such a dominate first half and DMC most of the time had his way in the post.
 
#15
On IT..yeah that's going to be the storyline there -- people can't resist it.. And good for him coming back late. But he got RUINED in the early going of this game, and his inability to even touch Wall or distract their shooters realy hurt us in the early going.
I'm slightly confused here. I don't really see how Thomas was getting RUINED early. Wall got a lot of his stuff of fast breaks and pick and rolls. And how was it his fault the rest of the team wasn't rotating to wide open shooters? I don't recall a lot of times where it was Thomas running at a shooter and them laughing as the ball went through then net because of his inability to distract them. And I too was confused at first as to why Evans wasn't brought back in, but the bench brought the team back, gained the lead, and I don't really have a problem with them being given the opportunity to finish what they started. Plus, that unit was playing much better D than guys earlier in the game. And that includes Evans, who way too many times again has lapses on D where he loses focus when his man doesnt have the ball, allowing his guy to find an open spot on the floor for easy shots. Happened way too much in the first half.
 
#16
I do think with the way IT is playing and if it keeps up, MT won't be here very long. He'd be our most valuable piece we can trade outside of Reke/Cousins, and IT does make him expendable if we get a starting sf in return.
I'm not making ANY projections or insinuations with this simple observation about tonight's game:

The Kings won this game tonight with IT and MT on the floor, not with IT and Tyreke.


Just wondering how you know that DMC was the one who told Hayes to stay in?
Smart said so in the postgame conference.
Of course, he could be making it up to cover DMC getting upset about it, we'll never know. :?:
 
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VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#17
Just wondering how you know that DMC was the one who told Hayes to stay in?

I'm content with Smart sticking with the bench since they won. IT and MT were on fire and I'm sure have all the confidence in the world now. My only thought is had they lost, like Bricklayer said, we and our main guys would be wondering wtf was going on? Especially since Reke had such a dominate first half and DMC most of the time had his way in the post.
According to Coach Smart post-game, DMC told him (Smart) to let Hayes stay in. DMC was cheering the team on from the bench so it was clear he wasn't upset or anything. I have no reason to doubt Smart's comments.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#20
I'm slightly confused here. I don't really see how Thomas was getting RUINED early. Wall got a lot of his stuff of fast breaks and pick and rolls. And how was it his fault the rest of the team wasn't rotating to wide open shooters? I don't recall a lot of times where it was Thomas running at a shooter and them laughing as the ball went through then net because of his inability to distract them. And I too was confused at first as to why Evans wasn't brought back in, but the bench brought the team back, gained the lead, and I don't really have a problem with them being given the opportunity to finish what they started. Plus, that unit was playing much better D than guys earlier in the game. And that includes Evans, who way too many times again has lapses on D where he loses focus when his man doesnt have the ball, allowing his guy to find an open spot on the floor for easy shots. Happened way too much in the first half.

RUINED. Did not stop Wall once. Wall got wherever he wanted with the dribble, and passed right over his head. Then Isiah ran out towards shooters, and they shot right over him. I had him at a gentleman's D for the first half, just because I thought he was trying, just physically outmatched. Actually that's nto entirely correct -- his effort wasn't at the levels we have seen it either. I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Just by the numbers btw, Wall had 12pts in the first quarter, only 2 of them came on the break. Every other score came 11 seconds into the possession or more.

In fact it really wasn't until about midway through the third that IT became a positive player for us. He was sitting on something like 1-7. Wall was treating him like a somebody's kid brother. Then he rediscovered his Napoleon complex and finally dug in.
 
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#21
Just by the numbers btw, Wall had 12pts in the first quarter, only 2 of them came on the break. Every other score came 11 seconds into the possession or more.
Wow - what site displays stats about how many seconds on the playclock a player scored at? I'd like that for referencing.
How about the pick-and-rolls? How many did Wall score on those?

Also- How many points did Wall have in the 3rd and 4th quarters?

Good thing bball is 4 quarters in a game.
 
#22
DMC was at the scorer table ready to come in when Hayes made a couple of good plays. At the next timeout, DMC walked back towards the bench and told Coach to let Hayes stay in. As far as Reke goes, yes he was doing very well but it was the bench that actually got us back the lead. They were doing the job so I tend to agree with the decision ON THIS NIGHT to keep the guys in who were getting the job done.
Agree. We have enough occasions with losses to criticize the coach about. Why waste criticism. Besides the process, coaching looked good if out goal is to win the game.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#23
Wow - what site displays stats about how many seconds on the playclock a player scored at? I'd like that for referencing.
How about the pick-and-rolls? How many did Wall score on those?

Also- How many points did Wall have in the 3rd and 4th quarters?

Good thing bball is 4 quarters in a game.
All you have to do is read the play by pay.
 
#24
Coach gambled... and won. No doubt about it - the players he left on the floor pulled it out.
2 points, though -

1) I'm pretty certain if he had subbed in Tyreke and/or DMC, the Kings would have won the game anyway.
Smart's only risk was in leaving those guys IN - he risked nothing subbing his top 2 guys back in. So I'll give him props for having brass balls for a good reason - sticking with the guys that fought back and got the lead and ended up keeping it.

2) If they'd lost this game, many prominent KF's would have wanted Smart's head on a platter, no doubt.

This game is a walking epitome as to why the shotblocking stat (on its own) is overrated.
McGee is the poster child for blocks being too important in the NBA - his absurd over-valuing of blocks gives up quite a few points, and as Jerry said would have many old-timers who value defensive big men to roll in their graves. What good is a block that sails 7 rows back? All it does it take a second or 2 off the clock - your team doesn't get possession. Hope it makes him feel like a Big Man on the court.
He could barely stop himself from swatting away balls that were almost in the cylinder - WAY after they were on the way down. He was standing underneath the basket like a giant 6th-grader would flaunt the rules and just swat every shot away on the lowered baskets.

Good defenders that can also block shots? Invaluable to a team.
Blocks just on their own? Unless you factor in the points they give up through blown coverage and goaltending, not so much.

Anyway, nice to see the Kings win one, but it was quite a bit disconcerting that they had to have such heroics in the second half to pull it out. They simply should not be even close to the Wizards.
I think he said 'good win'. And I think the KFs have made it clear that Smart was way off base with his substitutions. It worked jst fine. Another good IT starting game.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#26
On IT..yeah that's going to be the storyline there -- people can't resist it.. And good for him coming back late. But he got RUINED in the early going of this game, and his inability to even touch Wall or distract their shooters realy hurt us in the early going.
I love it how people talk about Isaiah's inconsistancy, and Isaiah being a ball hog. Wonderful humor there.:D

No Isaiah, just go into the corner and stand there. When you get the ball try to be unobtrusive as possible (I know that's not hard, since you're only 5'8" tall) and swing it to the non-ball hogs Tyreke and Thornton (Salmons can't join the party right now), the paragons of unselfishness. If you can grow four inches or so then we might let you come out of the corner. Then you'll really be an NBA point guard. But until you can take the growth hormone we think it terribly arrogant of you to think you're a good NBA point guard. How dare you.
 
#29
RUINED. Did not stop Wall once. Wall got wherever he wanted with the dribble, and passed right over his head. Then Isiah ran out towards shooters, and they shot right over him. I had him at a gentleman's D for the first half, just because I thought he was trying, just physically outmatched. Actually that's nto entirely correct -- his effort wasn't at the levels we have seen it either. I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Just by the numbers btw, Wall had 12pts in the first quarter, only 2 of them came on the break. Every other score came 11 seconds into the possession or more.

In fact it really wasn't until about midway through the third that IT became a positive player for us. He was sitting on something like 1-7. Wall was treating him like a somebody's kid brother. Then he rediscovered his Napoleon complex and finally dug in.
Just re-watched the first quarter to see if maybe there was something I missed the first time around. Turns out, there wasn't.

As far a people hitting jumpers over Thomas, there were in fact two 3 pointers that the Wizards hit in transition where Thomas was the person running out to challenge the shot. First was N. Young, second time it was Mason. Both were on fast breaks, and I'm not convinced Thomas' lack of height had anything to do with them making the shot, considering both were open by 15 feet when they caught the ball. Even Donte wouldn't have been able to put up a legitimate challenge on either shot attempt.

As far as his D on Wall. Wall's first bucket came on a pick n roll where he went baseline, Cousins showed briefly then backed off, Thomas was trailing Wall and bumped him while shooting giving Wall the and-1. Not really on Isiah here except for the bad foul, no one came out and stopped Wall's drive. Walls next score came on a phantom foul call on the break where he was out of control and was bailed out by the refs, made 1 of 2 from the line. Wall scored next on a fast break layup. He hit 2 jumpers off screens where the Kings bigs didn't come out, giving Wall the 18 footer in both cases, and he made them. His other bucket of the 1st qt did come entirely at Thomas' expense. Thomas tried to get through a screen too quickly and Wall cut the other way and exploded to the hoop for an easy layup.

So I'm not really seeing here how Thomas was completely overmatched here. He made several good passes, was under control, forced a couple of Wall turnovers, and anytime Wall did go at him without a screen, Thomas stopped penetration and forced a pass. Not a super productive quarter for IT, but he wasn't the reason Wall went off. The team played horrible D as a unit.
 
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#30
Coaches sometimes stay with the reserves in a game like this, not very unique at all. Thornton's offensive rebounding reminds me of Bobby J back in the day.

Yep Geoff Package JJ and some of the other "depth" for a top quality NBA starting SF. Start IT, Tyreke, The New SF Stud, JT, DMC. Thornton wins 6th man of the year in the Bobby J role while the Kings eek into the Playoffs on a monumental second half of the season run unheard of in the NBA!!! Sacramento finalizes plans to build the New Downtown Arena AND WE ARE ROLLING FOLKS!!!!;):D:cool:

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