Devin Harris?

[Bricklayer]

Bingo maybe?

From Mark Stein's twitter:

Been hearing reliable rumblings since trip to Reno for D-League Showcase that Jazz have made it known Devin Harris is available via trade

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine/status/160276449801158656

Pros: pretty good defender, has played in a two combo guard situation before with J.Terry on good teams, strong/solid 3rd guard to a three guard rotation
Cons: Not a good shooter, although percentages went down as soon as he became a major weapon, so maybe stepping back with us would help, having a terrible year, not the purest point, but at least as pure as Beno, not creative or a floor general, better in open court than half court

Costs: He's having a terrible year (8.1pts 4.6apg on .350 shooting -- which would fit perfectly here). And here's the bingo: Is Jimmer's marquee still enough in Utah that they would take the chance, trade Harris for him and go true rebuild?

 

[Kings Faithful]

Harris is an option that i've thought about before and I think it work great here. If the Jazz are willing to part go for it.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

id trade anyone but Reke, Thornton, Cousins, IT for him

 

[Spok22]

I read on realgm.com that theyre shopping him right now

 

[Arkitect]

My only hesitation is that he is not a good 3pt shooter. However, could definitely be the answer to our distributor problem. Teaming him and Reke on defense would be nice. I think I would be fine giving up Jimmer to get him. Might even be willing to throw in Hickson.

 

[Sac.1989]

IF theres anywhere that Jimmer blows up and fulfills his potential its in Utah.

I could almost guarentee that if he gets close he'd never play for another team.

Makes complete business sense for them.

 

[Kings Faithful]

My only hesitation is that he is not a good 3pt shooter. However, could definitely be the answer to our distributor problem. Teaming him and Reke on defense would be nice. I think I would be fine giving up Jimmer to get him. Might even be willing to throw in Hickson.

Lets not get hasty here...these are very young players we are talking about. Hickson definitely needs some improvement but if i'm correct isn't he only 23? Thats incredibly young to give up on a player. Jimmer is a risk as well but if we trade him to a team that would over value him because of his background, go for it.

 

[bluntsnbball]

This is my concern as well. However, If we could give up a minor asset like Jimmer to get him, i would be very interested. jimmer is young but i think few people believe he will ultimately be an all star caliber player. Harris has already been an all-star. Neither one of them plays good defense, so theres really no difference there.

Someone mentioned that we should hold off on trading Hickson b/c he's young as well? I whole heartedly disagree. The kid has a big motor, can board, but he can't really defend. Among are big men, Hayes is the only one really worth mentioning on defense and he's 6'6"! I like a rotation of Hayes, Cousins, JT, and someone who will be a defensive role player (not Hickson).

we just don't have the time to let players develop right now, we are in danger of losing the team and i don't think pulling in a former all-star could make us any worse than we already are. Therefore i think if we could trade something along the lines of jimmer and Hickson for Harris, i'd say pull the trigger.

 

[bluntsnbball]

Interesting note, i just went on a Jazz forum and they had discussed a Jimmer for Harris swap. Aparently, they don't value harris much at all and believe that they would likely have to throw in another player and let us dump someones salary on them to make it work.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Is Jimmer's marquee still enough in Utah that they would take the chance, trade Harris for him and go true rebuild?

Over the offseason I think I did suggest that I would be willing to throw our #7 at the Jazz to get Harris back. Of course now I'm alarmed at how bad of a year he is having, and I recognize that he's never been a great shooter, so he doesn't help us out of our slump. Looking back at his career, has he ever actually made a team better? He was great in Dallas when he was playing with Dirk on a solid squad. In fact, outside of Dallas and this year's surprise Jazz record (remember, he's bad this year so far) he has never led a team he was on to even a .420 record over a partial or full season. I'm beginning to wonder if he's really all that good as a featured guy. But maybe as a solid and unassuming PG on a team where there are other stars/scorers to hold it down (though I'd hesitate to compare the current Tyreke/DeMarcus/Thorton combo to the Dirk/Terry/Howard combo) he can work. I don't know.

Is he cheap enough for us? The Jazz wouldn't be looking for bigs, and we can't spare them anyhow. We don't have SF to offer (Petrie [points at sky]: "Hey, look over there, the Goodyear blimp!" O'Connor [looks]: "Where?" Petrie: "Oh, you just missed it. Anyway, I think I'll have to pass on your offer. You can keep Salmons and we'll keep Harris. Thanks anyway, Kev." O'Connor looks confused and wonders whether he didn't just get taken advantage of somehow.) Which means it's pretty much Jimmer. Has Jimmer disappointed us enough to give up on him and get back a PG who's proving to be more middle-of-the-pack rather than his prior budding-star reputation?

 

[Arkitect]

Lets not get hasty here...these are very young players we are talking about. Hickson definitely needs some improvement but if i'm correct isn't he only 23? Thats incredibly young to give up on a player. Jimmer is a risk as well but if we trade him to a team that would over value him because of his background, go for it.

Either JJ or JT will be gone at the end of this year most likely. JT is a better defender and rebounder than JJ and therefore fits better next to Cousins. JJ is better offensively and is more athletic, but I think he will have a hard time making an impact on our team with his skillset. I think we should dump JJ if a reasonable deal comes up. Maybe not to Utah, but he is definitely a trading piece for us.

 

[beb0p]

Has anyone seen Harris played lately? Has lost his speed and explosiveness, lost the ability to get to the rack and is now strictly a jump shooter, a skill in which he is not very good at. There's a reason why he is shooting so poorly.

Though probably an upgrade over Jimmer... for now and not by much. But in the long run, if Jimmer gets his act together and if Harris continues to channel Jason hart, the Kings will regret this. Unless the injury Harris suffered last season is recoverable and he turns back to old Harris in due time. Not being a doctor, without the medical records, and not having a crystal ball I can't tell you what Harris will be like in the future; but the way he's currently playing, he's not going to help this team much.

Never mind Jimmer, the Jazz will gladly trade Harris for a 2nd rd pick. He's been that terrible. But I still wouldn't do it. He's just well, been that terrible.

 

[Arkitect]

Over the offseason I think I did suggest that I would be willing to throw our #7 at the Jazz to get Harris back. Of course now I'm alarmed at how bad of a year he is having, and I recognize that he's never been a great shooter, so he doesn't help us out of our slump. Looking back at his career, has he ever actually made a team better? He was great in Dallas when he was playing with Dirk on a solid squad. In fact, outside of Dallas and this year's surprise Jazz record (remember, he's bad this year so far) he has never led a team he was on to even a .420 record over a partial or full season. I'm beginning to wonder if he's really all that good as a featured guy. But maybe as a solid and unassuming PG on a team where there are other stars/scorers to hold it down (though I'd hesitate to compare the current Tyreke/DeMarcus/Thorton combo to the Dirk/Terry/Howard combo) he can work. I don't know.

Is he cheap enough for us? The Jazz wouldn't be looking for bigs, and we can't spare them anyhow. We don't have SF to offer (Petrie [points at sky]: "Hey, look over there, the Goodyear blimp!" O'Connor [looks]: "Where?" Petrie: "Oh, you just missed it. Anyway, I think I'll have to pass on your offer. You can keep Salmons and we'll keep Harris. Thanks anyway, Kev." O'Connor looks confused and wonders whether he didn't just get taken advantage of somehow.) Which means it's pretty much Jimmer. Has Jimmer disappointed us enough to give up on him and get back a PG who's proving to be more middle-of-the-pack rather than his prior budding-star reputation?

The question really is is Jimmer's ceiling higher than Harris's probable output. I am not sure that Jimmer is going to be much better than Harris was a year ago and I think we could do worse for our 3rd guard. Assuming he went back to his previous levels of production, he would be our 3rd or 4th best player. That said, I haven't watched the Jazz this year so I don't know why Harris is slumping. After the Salmons debacle I am a little wary to take on another guy who could be washed up.

 

[bluntsnbball]

Salmons for Harris pull the trigger! Quick! before they realize how awful Salmons is

 

[beb0p]

Salmons for Harris pull the trigger! Quick! before they realize how awful Salmons is

No, no. Salmons AND Outlaw for Harris.

Make it happen GP!

 

[rainmaker]

Has anyone seen Harris played lately? Has lost his speed and explosiveness, lost the ability to get to the rack and is now strictly a jump shooter, a skill in which he is not very good at. There's a reason why he is shooting so poorly.

Though probably an upgrade over Jimmer... for now and not by much. But in the long run, if Jimmer gets his act together and if Harris continues to channel Jason hart, the Kings will regret this. Unless the injury Harris suffered last season is recoverable and he turns back to old Harris in due time. Not being a doctor, without the medical records, and not having a crystal ball I can't tell you what Harris will be like in the future; but the way he's currently playing, he's not going to help this team much.

Never mind Jimmer, the Jazz will gladly trade Harris for a 2nd rd pick. He's been that terrible. But I still wouldn't do it. He's just well, been that terrible.

I agree. One, I think it's too risky only 15 games into Jimmers career. Two, I'm not high on Harris at all. You're right in that he's not as quick/explosive. He also isn't a good shooter. I'd hope if/when we put a pg next to Reke, he can hit the open shot. Sure Jimmer has been poor, but I'd wait until he has a full training camp and more stable coaching environment and see how he turns out before trading him, unless it's clearly for a player which Jimmer can't reach talent wise. Harris isn't that player in my mind. I think by this time next year we'll be watching a different Jimmer, and one we wouldn't flip to Utah for Harris, at least until Harris showed marked improvement.

 

[Section 101]

Andre Miller is alot better than Harris. Talk about a worse fit.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I used to love Harris's game. I thought DAL was out of their mind to trade him for Kidd. Not sure what's happened with him.

 

[Pacboy]

Im more interested in Derrick Favors if we can get our hands on him. He would look great starting next to Cousins

 

[upinsmoke]

Either JJ or JT will be gone at the end of this year most likely. JT is a better defender and rebounder than JJ and therefore fits better next to Cousins. JJ is better offensively and is more athletic, but I think he will have a hard time making an impact on our team with his skillset. I think we should dump JJ if a reasonable deal comes up. Maybe not to Utah, but he is definitely a trading piece for us.

You could be right and its evident JJ has not been the greatest fit next to DMC. That being said he does have value especially in a package deal.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Im more interested in Derrick Favors if we can get our hands on him. He would look great starting next to Cousins

There is no "if" there. The Jazz look at him as a cornerstone of their rebuild.

 

[Smills91]

Harris would be an awful fit for our roster the way it's presently constructed. Besides, I think Harris is washed up. Have you seen him over the past 1.5 years. His game has turn to garbage. We don't need the PG version of John Salmons.

 

[matthew76]

Jimmer + JJ for Harris + Favors?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Jimmer + JJ for Harris + Favors?

The Jazz won't do that for Favors. He's their Cousins, the untouchable guy you don't dream about throwing together a few scraps to get him in return.

If rumors are right, we could likely get Harris for Jimmer straight up, though I'm not sure we ought to do that.

 

[Hadlowe]

I can't imagine that the Jazz front office would want Fredette. They already have one struggling young shooter on their team in Gordon Hayward, and he has six inches on Fredette. The Jazz tend to not care all that much about bringing local boys home.

Fredette is local to New York. I could see the Knicks having a place for him with Amar'e and Melo drawing so much attention and running much of the offense. He could help them space the floor on offense. Possibly get Bibby back in return? Would Bibby even want to come back to Sacramento?

 

[Arkitect]

I can't imagine that the Jazz front office would want Fredette. They already have one struggling young shooter on their team in Gordon Hayward, and he has six inches on Fredette. The Jazz tend to not care all that much about bringing local boys home.

Fredette is local to New York. I could see the Knicks having a place for him with Amar'e and Melo drawing so much attention and running much of the offense. He could help them space the floor on offense. Possibly get Bibby back in return? Would Bibby even want to come back to Sacramento?

You mean that guy in NY who walks around with a fork in his back with a Bibby jersey on?