Whats really happening in regards to Samuel Dalembert ?

[Sac.1989]

We keep getting negative vibes in regards to resigning Sammy. Are there any confirmed rumours or news or anything to work off that we are not looking into resigning our defensive anchor apart from pick gaps in internet media reports not mentioning him ?

I would be an absolute farce not to try resign him and really id overpay slightly to keep him. Our squad would really take shape and you could argue that its playoff ready with us moving up past that point dependant on our youth growing and extending themselves. In any case this isnt a thread about why we need to keep him. Thats already been well documented.

Surely we'll offer him a deal. He must be a big part of what we plan to do moving forward and if he isnt then management really has gone nuts

 

[LWP777]

I'm really starting to get the feeling that we're not going to resign him. I think he's going to Miami and he'll win a title next year.

 

[Sac.1989]

Yeah as we all are but why ? I mean sure he hasnt been mentioned much in the offseason by those that matter ie the owners and GP but is there any other key reason why were all feeling that way. It just doesnt makes sense for us not to push to sign him

 

[bajaden]

Yeah as we all are but why ? I mean sure he hasnt been mentioned much in the offseason by those that matter ie the owners and GP but is there any other key reason why were all feeling that way. It just doesnt makes sense for us not to push to sign him

Well there's a difference between trying and doing. If Visoin is to be believed, Dalembert wasn't totally happy with how he was being used, and not being a big enough part of the offense. I don't know if I totally believe that, since he seemed to be more a part of the offense as the season went on. Suspossedly he had some sort of run in with Westphal during the last game. If so, I doubt that would exclude any possiblilty of the Kings trying to resign him. Players have run in's with their coaches all the time. In general, the media makes more of it than the participants do.

So I think they'll try. Whether he wants to be here is another matter. If he doesn't, then it probably won't happen.

 

[Glenn]

So now we believe Voisin? The shift in views of her veracity is almost neck breaking. We mock her when she is positive about the Kings and hang on her every word when she is negative.

Dalembert was upset he wasn't being used much and around January his agent expressed it. As a result he got more minutes and actually led the team in scoring a couple times. I thought he was happy as a clam and was developing a great relationship with Cuz. He has said this is the first team to want him to be a part of the offense so I would find it curious if his beef was that he wasn't being used enough in the offense. He said he was going to work on his mid range jumper in the off season.

I make nothing positive or negative about what we know because I don't think we know anything. Not an uncommon situation in TDOS.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Well there's a difference between trying and doing. If Visoin is to be believed, Dalembert wasn't totally happy with how he was being used, and not being a big enough part of the offense. I don't know if I totally believe that, since he seemed to be more a part of the offense as the season went on. Suspossedly he had some sort of run in with Westphal during the last game. If so, I doubt that would exclude any possiblilty of the Kings trying to resign him. Players have run in's with their coaches all the time. In general, the media makes more of it than the participants do.

So I think they'll try. Whether he wants to be here is another matter. If he doesn't, then it probably won't happen.

Yeah, her tone had me worried, but then someone pointed out that Dalembert actually played 45 minutes in the final game (when Voision said he was miffed about playing time). So she doesn't have her facts straight on that count. But the undertones do concern...

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I'm really starting to get the feeling that we're not going to resign him. I think he's going to Miami and he'll win a title next year.

Not sure why so many folks think he's going to Miami. Miami is over the cap by about 5 million as it is. Unless he takes a HUGE pay-cut to go there, I don't see it. And even that's assuming the new NBA doesn't put in a hard-cap. If a hard cap goes in place, they couldn't sign him regardless. Same situation with all the top tier teams. They're all over the cap and not very likely to grossly overpay for him.

 

[rainmaker]

Mia is on the books for 66.7M next year, not including their first round pick, Cole Norris I think it is. House has a player option for 1.4M. In 13/14 and 14/15, Mia is on the books for 71M and 76M. One thing I keep hearing is the owners want a hard cap, and significantly lower than it presently is. I don't know if they'll get it, but I highly doubt we'll see Mia coming out as good as they are now.

I don't think they'll have anything besides the ability to use the vet min when the new CBA is in place, or something similar. Also, looking at their team salary going forward, they couldn't offer Daly anything longer than 2 years, with their team salary looking how it does in two and three years. They could make trades, but no one wants anyone besides the big 3. In 12/13 Mia owes the big 3 52M alone, and 56.5M the following. I actually think it likely the new CBA will force them to shed salary in the coming years.

 

[ParniValjak]

My concern has not been about what Voison has said....anything she says I take with a grain of salt.

My concern is more about the interviews that I have heard on KHTK (the audio recordings online) where numerous Kings officials (Petrie, Jerry and IIRC Westphal) sounded a lot more optimistic and confident about re-signing Thornton than they did when mentioning Dalembert.

Its just the vibe I am getting and maybe I am reading too much into it! I do get the feeling that we will make him a "take it or leave it" type offer but we won't be doing everything to convince him that he is our man.

Additionally, there has been a lot of talk about signing a major FA to add to our frontcourt which suggests that we might be looking in the other direction. I do get extremely nervous with this because I can see us going all out after someone like West or Nene. Nene would be a great get but we lose out on rebounding and shotblocking in a major way and create more issues by adding another scorer. But at least it would be a tall, athletic frontcourt and Nene is a good man on man defender (but not a goalie). West would be wrong on so many levels.

 

[rainmaker]

My concern has not been about what Voison has said....anything she says I take with a grain of salt.

My concern is more about the interviews that I have heard on KHTK (the audio recordings online) where numerous Kings officials (Petrie, Jerry and IIRC Westphal) sounded a lot more optimistic and confident about re-signing Thornton than they did when mentioning Dalembert.

Its just the vibe I am getting and maybe I am reading too much into it! I do get the feeling that we will make him a "take it or leave it" type offer but we won't be doing everything to convince him that he is our man.

Additionally, there has been a lot of talk about signing a major FA to add to our frontcourt which suggests that we might be looking in the other direction. I do get extremely nervous with this because I can see us going all out after someone like West or Nene. Nene would be a great get but we lose out on rebounding and shotblocking in a major way and create more issues by adding another scorer. But at least it would be a tall, athletic frontcourt and Nene is a good man on man defender (but not a goalie). West would be wrong on so many levels.

Agree with everything you said. It's not only the vibe that makes me nervous, but the going after a major big comments. I get the impression they're more interested in going after a big name big, than courting Daly to return.

What makes me more nervous in the FA bigs out there, and how they compare to Daly, and what he did for us. Chandler is the only real replacement, but I doubt he's leaving Dal, eventhough he has made a couple comments publicly about not taking a paycut to return, which I find interesting, especially with what a new CBA might bring.

The other guy I like that does similar work to Daly is DA Jordan, but he's a risk, given his brief history of success. After that, no shotblockers, and Jordan doesn't strike me as a "big name FA' which would be on Petrie's list.

Then there's the others, like Nene and Gasol, and I wonder how much Petrie will go after them. Don't want Gasol, like Nene, but not as much as Daly/Chandler. But my gut tells me Petrie will go after Chandler, not get him, and then direct his attention to Nene and Gasol. Could be completely wrong though.

 

[Telemachus]

So now we believe Voisin? The shift in views of her veracity is almost neck breaking. We mock her when she is positive about the Kings and hang on her every word when she is negative.

I don't put much stock in anything that Voisin has to say. I think it is the fact that Grant, Amick, Reynalds, Petrie, and the Maloofs have all alluded to Dalembert possibly not coming back next season. I don't know if it is because he doesn't want to be here, or they think he will simply want more money that he is worth.

 

[ParniValjak]

Mia is on the books for 66.7M next year, not including their first round pick, Cole Norris I think it is. House has a player option for 1.4M. In 13/14 and 14/15, Mia is on the books for 71M and 76M. One thing I keep hearing is the owners want a hard cap, and significantly lower than it presently is. I don't know if they'll get it, but I highly doubt we'll see Mia coming out as good as they are now.

I don't think they'll have anything besides the ability to use the vet min when the new CBA is in place, or something similar. Also, looking at their team salary going forward, they couldn't offer Daly anything longer than 2 years, with their team salary looking how it does in two and three years. They could make trades, but no one wants anyone besides the big 3. In 12/13 Mia owes the big 3 52M alone, and 56.5M the following. I actually think it likely the new CBA will force them to shed salary in the coming years.

Personally, I am more concerned about NY than Miami.

 

[ParniValjak]

Agree with everything you said. It's not only the vibe that makes me nervous, but the going after a major big comments. I get the impression they're more interested in going after a big name big, than courting Daly to return.

What makes me more nervous in the FA bigs out there, and how they compare to Daly, and what he did for us. Chandler is the only real replacement, but I doubt he's leaving Dal, eventhough he has made a couple comments publicly about not taking a paycut to return, which I find interesting, especially with what a new CBA might bring.

The other guy I like that does similar work to Daly is DA Jordan, but he's a risk, given his brief history of success. After that, no shotblockers, and Jordan doesn't strike me as a "big name FA' which would be on Petrie's list.

Then there's the others, like Nene and Gasol, and I wonder how much Petrie will go after them. Don't want Gasol, like Nene, but not as much as Daly/Chandler. But my gut tells me Petrie will go after Chandler, not get him, and then direct his attention to Nene and Gasol. Could be completely wrong though.

Chandler is an upgrade and might be in the position where he has his ring and its time to cash on one more major contract in his career and if thats somewhere other than Dallas, then so be it.

One thing that really makes me nervous about Chandler is his injury prone history. He seems to break down very often but when he does string a whole season together, he is one of the best defensive big man in the league.

I will be mighty pissed off if one of Dalembert, Chandler or Jordan are not on our roster next season (or equivalent type player). I agree that DeAndre is not a big name and hence why I doubt we will go after him but I do think we will try to get Chandler not sure whether we succeed or not.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Well most of the talk here seems to really accept that JT is our bench big. So we really need a starting C/PF to be paired with Cuz.

Dalembert appears as the main choice here. But if we can't resign Dalembert, I hope we don't overpay a Dalembert replacement cuz I think only a few big Centers can play with Cuz like Dally did. Rather I hope that JT and Whiteside steps up big time. And instead of signing expensive but undesirable bigs, let's get a respectable vet big instead to push JT and Whiteside.

Actually at some parts of last season JT and Cuz had some brilliant moments together. And I think JT/Cuz starting won't be so bad compared to the Cuz/Dally pairing. JT has a more polished offensive than Dalembert. And as much as fouling which is JT's big problem, he actually improved near the season's end. Add Josh Smith or even Reggie Evans to that mix IMO think that's already a good recipe to start without Dalembert.

I'm not anti-Dalembert. But if he goes to another team, I really hope we give JT and Whiteside a really good look first.

 

[Sac.1989]

I wouldnt want to overpay his replacement but i would overpay him to keep him here depending on what the market offered. I dont under appreciate how vital he is to our cause, might be one of the few but really he should be our biggest priority this summer

 

[ParniValjak]

Well most of the talk here seems to really accept that JT is our bench big. So we really need a starting C/PF to be paired with Cuz.

Dalembert appears as the main choice here. But if we can't resign Dalembert, I hope we don't overpay a Dalembert replacement cuz I think only a few big Centers can play with Cuz like Dally did. Rather I hope that JT and Whiteside steps up big time. And instead of signing expensive but undesirable bigs, let's get a respectable vet big instead to push JT and Whiteside.

Actually at some parts of last season JT and Cuz had some brilliant moments together. And I think JT/Cuz starting won't be so bad compared to the Cuz/Dally pairing. JT has a more polished offensive than Dalembert. And as much as fouling which is JT's big problem, he actually improved near the season's end. Add Josh Smith or even Reggie Evans to that mix IMO think that's already a good recipe to start without Dalembert.

I'm not anti-Dalembert. But if he goes to another team, I really hope we give JT and Whiteside a really good look first.

Oh please!

This team needs to start winning NOW and not count on Whiteside to come good. Quite simply this team won a total of 24 games last year and that's with the Dalembert - Cousins - JT front court. Now we need to improve on that, let alone go back to very average Cousins - JT - Whiteside - Reggie Evans front court rotation.

We get worse defensively, lose the shot blocking and even get worse in rebounding. What this team must so is keep Dalembert or find a legitimate replacement for him (ie Chandler or Jordan)

JT is not a starter on a legitimate contender. However he is a genuinely good 3rd big on a team. In fact that is his ideal role as he can play PF and spot some minutes at C, is a high energy player, good rebounder and has a good mid range jumper.

JT is a fouling machine and in a large effect so is Cousins but forgive me if I am not thrilled with the Whiteside - Evans front court when JT and Cousins get into foul trouble.

Whiteside is a complete unknown at this stage. In fact if we are judging him by the 2 minutes he did play last season, he is miles away. If he gets some garbage time minutes here and there next season, then that a big improvement.

There is one common thing with championship winning teams and that's interior shot blocker/defender, a goalie type that protects the basket and anchor the interior defense. None of the players you suggested is capable of doing that.

If we don't get Dalembert back, I so hope we get Chandler or DeAndre Jordan or that type of player as a starter next to Cousins and then add a Chuck Hayes or Reggie Evans type of player as the 4th big to fight out for the minutes with Whiteside.

This team must start winning now, and not pin their hopes on Whiteside or Reggie Evans to improve us from last year.

This team need to keep its 2 big free agents or find an equivalent replacement for them and THEN add more talent to that.

It simply must be Dalembert or Chandler or Jordan or someone who brings the same skill set as Sammy.

 

[Section 101]

Yeah, her tone had me worried, but then someone pointed out that Dalembert actually played 45 minutes in the final game (when Voision said he was miffed about playing time). So she doesn't have her facts straight on that count. But the undertones do concern...

Cuz got ejected early.

 

[SacKings7]

Not sure why so many folks think he's going to Miami. Miami is over the cap by about 5 million as it is. Unless he takes a HUGE pay-cut to go there, I don't see it. And even that's assuming the new NBA doesn't put in a hard-cap. If a hard cap goes in place, they couldn't sign him regardless. Same situation with all the top tier teams. They're all over the cap and not very likely to grossly overpay for him.

In general a hard cap would just be a ceiling limiting how far over the actual cap (ie luxury tax limit) a team can go. So teams like Miami who are already over the cap may not necessarily be over the hard cap. The way I see it is this particular implementation of a hard cap would prevent teams from going grossly over the cap to keep free agents, or to keep better players to stop signing MLE deals with better teams, like Artest or Dalembert in this case

 

[rainmaker]

From Amick:
The move is even more necessary in light of the likely departure of center Samuel Dalembert, as sources close to him say he was disappointed when extension talks went nowhere with the Kings and he is now far more interested signing with a contender in free agency

 

[Superman]

I don't understand how anyone can project Dalembert's new contract in free agency. There are going to be radical changes in the next labor deal that could very easily restrict the real contending teams in free agency, possibly even preventing them from using mid level exceptions. The cap the owners want is $62 million, which pretty much every so-called contender is already over.

If he wants to go to a team that's over the cap and play for significantly less than he could get from us or another team not on his "list," then there's not really anything we can do about that. But one season after Brendan Haywood got $55 million to ride the bench, and with Sam being only 30 years old, I don't see him leaving that kind of money on the table at this point in his career. Even on an MLE contract, we're talking about $25 million over five years that he'd be turning his nose up at. We'll still have Bird rights, which might be even stronger in the new CBA. We still have a very good shot to keep Sam.

 

[rainmaker]

I don't understand how anyone can project Dalembert's new contract in free agency. There are going to be radical changes in the next labor deal that could very easily restrict the real contending teams in free agency, possibly even preventing them from using mid level exceptions. The cap the owners want is $62 million, which pretty much every so-called contender is already over.

If he wants to go to a team that's over the cap and play for significantly less than he could get from us or another team not on his "list," then there's not really anything we can do about that. But one season after Brendan Haywood got $55 million to ride the bench, and with Sam being only 30 years old, I don't see him leaving that kind of money on the table at this point in his career. Even on an MLE contract, we're talking about $25 million over five years that he'd be turning his nose up at. We'll still have Bird rights, which might be even stronger in the new CBA. We still have a very good shot to keep Sam.

I agree. I posted Miami's salary situation in a different thread, but both them and NY are not in a great situation at all. Mia would have the vet mimimum, and so would NY most likey. And that is without a hard cap, which appears more and more likely.

Not holding my breath, but Daly could actually be forced to resign if he wants anything more than about 1.5M.

 

[Glenn]

I don't understand how anyone can project Dalembert's new contract in free agency. There are going to be radical changes in the next labor deal that could very easily restrict the real contending teams in free agency, possibly even preventing them from using mid level exceptions. The cap the owners want is $62 million, which pretty much every so-called contender is already over.

If he wants to go to a team that's over the cap and play for significantly less than he could get from us or another team not on his "list," then there's not really anything we can do about that. But one season after Brendan Haywood got $55 million to ride the bench, and with Sam being only 30 years old, I don't see him leaving that kind of money on the table at this point in his career. Even on an MLE contract, we're talking about $25 million over five years that he'd be turning his nose up at. We'll still have Bird rights, which might be even stronger in the new CBA. We still have a very good shot to keep Sam.

This makes sense. Also if the new CBA eliminates the MLE Daly will find very few places to go. Rainmaker is dead on also.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

From Amick:
The move is even more necessary in light of the likely departure of center Samuel Dalembert, as sources close to him say he was disappointed when extension talks went nowhere with the Kings and he is now far more interested signing with a contender in free agency

Eh, I totally understand the feelings of anxiety over him leaving, but this info from Amick seems like mere posturing to me. His agent is probably using Amick as just one of his many negotiating tools in exchange for "inside info."

He has to know that we are his best option financially. And even moreso, he has to know that we'd be, uh, not smart to sign him to a huge contract under the current CBA when it's virtually guaranteed that salaries will be lower when/if ever a new agreement is reached. He's not the only FA who will be cutting salary next season, so if he's rational at all, he'll understand that the extension talks going nowhere is just part of the business. We can still compensate him much more handsomely than any other team out there. All that matters is the revelation of where his real priorities lie: immediate success with a far lower payday, or a long-term future with an up and coming team while pocketing a fat wallet?

We NEED one of him or Chandler as our steadying vet though (Chandler's personality/success would be more suited to that role, but I like Dally still), so if we need to overpay to achieve that, then so be it.

 

[Kingster]

Hickson doesn't make the Kings leverage less, that's for sure. That's ok by me. Just one more reason to determine his market value and not budge. I don't want to overpay.

 

[Warhawk]

Gavin Maloof just said on 1140 that Dalembert is their main frontcourt player they want as a FA. If he doesn't sign, they will move on to other options.

 

[sidney]

@sam_amick
Sam Amick
Regarding Dalembert and free agency, NY, Miami, Toronto, and Houston are expected to join Sacramento as suitors.

 

[Superman]

@sam_amick
Sam Amick
Regarding Dalembert and free agency, NY, Miami, Toronto, and Houston are expected to join Sacramento as suitors.

Knicks and Heat both above the cap, limited in what they can offer. Toronto and Houston are expected to have cap space, depending on what the Rockets do with Yao. Might be us and Toronto, and the loser gets Chandler.

 

[vikinginferno]

Knicks and Heat both above the cap, limited in what they can offer. Toronto and Houston are expected to have cap space, depending on what the Rockets do with Yao. Might be us and Toronto, and the loser gets Chandler.

Winner gets Chandler*, but I honestly don't see him leaving Dallas. He would be perfect for this team, but Dally isn't too far off.

 

[ParniValjak]

Winner gets Chandler*, but I honestly don't see him leaving Dallas. He would be perfect for this team, but Dally isn't too far off.

He might not have a choice in the end.

A lot of it depends on what the salary cap would be under the new CBA. If it turns out to be a hard cap or a cap limited to $60 odd million then Dallas simply won't be able to keep him. They already have some $63 million committed to player salaries for next season (when ever that may be) which puts them as one of those teams in danger of not being able to sign players or keep their FAs.

Under the current system, there is no doubt that Cuban would keep Chandler and Barea but depending on what the new CBA brings up, he could not have a choice but to let them both go.

Its pointless to discuss what will happen until we know what the new salary cap will be and how that will affect all teams. One thing is for certain, what ever the new salary cap is, we will be one of the few teams that will have money to spend and that might put us in a position we have never been in before. Top FAs might well be willing to come to Sacramento just to get paid.

And we are a young up and coming team that will appeal to a number of these players. With most of these guys, money talks!

 

[SacTownKid]

Gavin Maloof just said on 1140 that Dalembert is their main frontcourt player they want as a FA. If he doesn't sign, they will move on to other options.

I may not have listened to the same interview you did but I didn't hear anything close to that from what I listened to. What I heard made it sound to me like Daly is probably not going to be back. Maloof mentioned Thorntons name with serious intent to re-sign, he called Daly option 1A but then when talking about the team he going forward he didn't mention Dalembert and instead said something about adding something in free agency.