Is this the worst Petrie miscalculation that you've ever personally witnessed?

Anthony1

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As soon as I heard the name Tristan Thompson, my heart sank.... I immediately knew that Petrie blew a chance of a lifetime. Going into this draft, I would have put our chance at getting Knight at less than 10 percent, and I'm sure Petrie was thinking the exact same thing. But, I'm sorry, you have to work out the deal in such a way where if somehow a guy like Knight slips, you can then say, "nevermind", and you select Knight.

I can't even begin to tell you how pissed I was the second I heard "Bismack....". immediately, I became ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS.

The old saying of "I trust in Petrie".... doesn't mean jack squat about now. His GM skills have diminished as unfortunate as it is to admit. Petrie went from being easily one of the 5 best GM's in the league, year in and year out, to now just being basically average, if ever so slightly above average.
 
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Bricklayer

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Apparently you are nto old enough to be familiar with the term "flexible pieces".

And no actually, I think its pretty obvious that fans were all into the Knight and Walker hype, but our decision to move down and take the guy that blew Petrie/the Maloofs away was a pretty obvious sign that we didn't buy the hype on those two players.
 
rainmaker

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After listening to interviews, no. They wanted Jimmer all along. He was there guy. 7 or 10, and they gambled that they could trade down, and Jimmer will still be there. Now, I disagree with the trade, but that's different. They never wanted Knight. You can disagree with the strategy, but they got what they wanted. Wasn't a miscalculation given their intent.

Pretty sure they would have taken Reke at 2 or 3 as well, or Cousins 1-5. Not sure if they would have taken Reke #1 with Griffin there. If it's your guy, it's your guy. Just like Cle with TT.
 
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rainmaker said:
After listening to interviews, no. They wanted Jimmer all along. He was there guy. 7 or 10, and they gambled that they could trade down, and Jimmer will still be there. Now, I disagree with the trade, but that's different. They never wanted Knight. You can disagree with the strategy, but they got what they wanted. Wasn't a miscalculation given their intent.

Pretty sure they would have taken Reke at 2 or 3 as well, or Cousins 1-5. Not sure if they would have taken Reke #1 with Griffin there. If it's your guy, it's your guy. Just like Cle with TT.
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Agreed. You can argue that they targeted the wrong guy, or that they made a bad trade, but I think this is what they wanted.
 
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No miscalculations here.
MJ called Petrie and said: "Dude I love to get Biyombo but Detroit sure gonna take him. Can we trade places? I promise I'm not getting "the Jimmer". Plus I'm gonna help you find a trade partner for Mr. Udrih."
 
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rainmaker said:
After listening to interviews, no.
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You honestly think that they are going to admit their blunder? Of course they will spin it to the best of their ability. They didn't think there was any legitimate chance of Knight falling into their laps, so they gambled, and they lost. The fact that Salmons makes no sense whatsoever is just icing on the cake.
 
rainmaker

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Anthony1 said:
You honestly think that they are going to admit their blunder? Of course they will spin it to the best of their ability. They didn't think there was any legitimate chance of Knight falling into their laps, so they gambled, and they lost. The fact that Salmons makes no sense whatsoever is just icing on the cake.
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Well didn't a number of other teams also pass on Knight and Walker? Does it look like a few teams didn't buy the hype? Don't know what you're looking at, but the evidence shows a number of teams weren't as high on Knight/Walker as the media was.
 
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I think Jimmer was their guy they wanted. No doubt in my mind. It wasn't like they didn't look at Knight. Petrie has a pretty good record with draft picks in the first round. And the time they had to take Hawes, it got around quickly he was not their first choice.

Now the trade... I'm stunned that they went after Salmons like they did. And I'm putting it nicely.
 
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Not even close. In fact, I'm pretty happy with it. They got the player they wanted at 10 and by adding Salmons the team gets better defensively and ads three point shooting. I'm not worried about Salmons hogging the ball. I don't think the Kings would allow him to do that. Not with all the young talent they're developing who need shots.
 
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KingsCitizen said:
No miscalculations here.
MJ called Petrie and said: "Dude I love to get Biyombo but Detroit sure gonna take him. Can we trade places? I promise I'm not getting "the Jimmer". Plus I'm gonna help you find a trade partner for Mr. Udrih."
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+1 Kings get Jimmer, trade a player who cannot defend for a good defender. I'm down with that right there:)

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captain bill

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Bricklayer said:
Apparently you are nto old enough to be familiar with the term "flexible pieces".

And no actually, I think its pretty obvious that fans were all into the Knight and Walker hype, but our decision to move down and take the guy that blew Petrie/the Maloofs away was a pretty obvious sign that we didn't buy the hype on those two players.
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The fact that reading "flexible pieces" literally makes me laugh (or snicker) out loud is really all that needs to be said.

Everyone despairs on draft night. Come back in a year and tell me how you feel. GP has been an above average drafter throughout his career. He's had some misses, but I understand the logic of this draft and will wait and see.
 
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captain bill said:
The fact that reading "flexible pieces" literally makes me laugh (or snicker) out loud is really all that needs to be said.

Everyone despairs on draft night. Come back in a year and tell me how you feel. GP has been an above average drafter throughout his career. He's had some misses, but I understand the logic of this draft and will wait and see.
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Major aspects of a GM:
1) Contract Negotiations
2) Trades
3) Scouting
4) Coaching (selecting)
5) Drafting

IMHO he's below average in all of those except one. May be time for a change.
 
steelevt

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captain bill said:
The fact that reading "flexible pieces" literally makes me laugh (or snicker) out loud is really all that needs to be said.

Everyone despairs on draft night. Come back in a year and tell me how you feel. GP has been an above average drafter throughout his career. He's had some misses, but I understand the logic of this draft and will wait and see.
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i dont think many of us doubt his drafting skills. its some of the trades he has made in the past. recently he has made good ones. (ie dally/thornton) but moving down 3 spots to trade beno and his shorter cheaper contract for salmons...
 
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Anthony1 said:
You honestly think that they are going to admit their blunder? Of course they will spin it to the best of their ability. They didn't think there was any legitimate chance of Knight falling into their laps, so they gambled, and they lost. The fact that Salmons makes no sense whatsoever is just icing on the cake.
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Yes, because it is not at all far fetched to think that Jimmer is better than Knight. I had the same debate with myself weeks before the draft, and ultimately I came to the conclusion that Jimmer is the better player now, and likely remains so in the future. I've said in another thread that I think Jimmer's ceiling is Mark Price; plus I just don't see what's so special about Knight - he shot only 42% and committed 3.2 TO. Granted he's young, but I just don't see Knight as that much better than Jamal Tinsley.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Apparently you are nto old enough to be familiar with the term "flexible pieces".

And no actually, I think its pretty obvious that fans were all into the Knight and Walker hype, but our decision to move down and take the guy that blew Petrie/the Maloofs away was a pretty obvious sign that we didn't buy the hype on those two players.
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Agreed!

Flexible pieces was by far the worst!

Jimmer was obviously well liked by Petrie and he does fill a need.

Salmons also brings some of what we need but he also brings some of the things that we could do without.

If anything, I am a little concerned that we lost Beno who was really fitting in well with Reke and Thornton and was providing some leadership.
 
Aenadin

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theres got to be a reason why knight fell that far and jimmer has risen that fast.. remember he was late first rounder to 2nd roundish last year.. he jumped to 10, outplayed walker

to some it might be a miscalculation. but we gained defense and a vet SF in exchange for a shooter and a point guard that can complement reke.

also its a back up plan.. for the worst case if thornton don't sign.. IF and only IF he didnt sign then what? we dont have a consistent shooter right?

petrie got it all covered. I see us looking at a 4 in the free agency. now.

2009 I was pretty mad when rubio was passed for evans, even got a reprimand from VF21 ;). a year later i was eating my supply of crow...

the worst petrie did was douby
 
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1. I don't buy this post-event talk that they weren't interested in Knight. From the workout and the post-workout talk, they were interested. This is probably BS to cover tracks on a mistake.

2. Petrie is good at evaluating talent, but his GM skills seem to stop there. He doesn't seem to understand how to assemble a cohesive, working team. It happened once and hasn't happened since.

3. This is the second three team deal in a row in which the Kings got the least value coming back their way. In the Kevin Martin trade, they gave up the biggest talent and got back a player that was good, but not good enough to stick around. It wasn't like draft picks, cap space and former lotto guys weren't being tossed around in that trade. The Kings went to a buffet and came back with soup and salad. The same thing could be said of today's trade. Salmons is easily the most ho-hum player received, and the Kings are the team that gave up the higher pick and a reliable if limited PG. Jax would be a chemistry nightmare, as well as Mags, but at least they're of a talent level you would be otherwise looking for. Salmons is not much better than any SF you could overpay in FA and not have his on-court chemistry issues.

4. There has to be another move coming because all these SFs make no sense.
 
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Aenadin said:
theres got to be a reason why knight fell that far and jimmer has risen that fast.. remember he was late first rounder to 2nd roundish last year.. he jumped to 10, outplayed walker

to some it might be a miscalculation. but we gained defense and a vet SF in exchange for a shooter and a point guard that can complement reke.

also its a back up plan.. for the worst case if thornton don't sign.. IF and only IF he didnt sign then what? we dont have a consistent shooter right?

petrie got it all covered. I see us looking at a 4 in the free agency. now.

2009 I was pretty mad when rubio was passed for evans, even got a reprimand from VF21 ;). a year later i was eating my supply of crow...

the worst petrie did was douby
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Jason Williams over Paul Pierce was worse. Can you imagine how good a Webber/Pierce combo could have been?
 
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The problem is that it's not a miscalculation. Our GM doesn't see anything wrong with taking on worse contracts, more money, and moving down three spots in the draft. The good teams would have a knife fight to take on a contract like Salmons or move down three spots. I still don't get it.
 
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hammystyle said:
The problem is that it's not a miscalculation. Our GM doesn't see anything wrong with taking on worse contracts, more money, and moving down three spots in the draft. The good teams would have a knife fight to take on a contract like Salmons or move down three spots. I still don't get it.
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What's not to get? They thought Salmons would take care of the needed upgrade at SF and that they could get a good player they wanted at 10 too.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
Jason Williams over Paul Pierce was worse. Can you imagine how good a Webber/Pierce combo could have been?
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Yep, that is the biggest "what if?" in Kings history that no one talks about. What if we take a 21 year old Pierce and plug him into a roster with a 25 year old Webber, Vlade, Peja, Corliss, and Tariq Abdul Wahad when he still had trade value. We couldn't have parlayed Corliss and Peja into a PG? If you want to get really nuts I am pretty sure that roster, and Petrie would have taken a real swing at free agent Chauncey Billups during that time period.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
Jason Williams over Paul Pierce was worse. Can you imagine how good a Webber/Pierce combo could have been?
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that would have been insane... the draft is exciting for us and we are more invested emotionally and as a fanbase because we want to improve. but like all things the events during draft day is like a cascading series of events, and there are reasons for people to rise and fall. I was pretty relieved we didnt pick kawhi. when stern was reading our pick i was like holding on, don't say it.. doooooont say kawhi. next thing we know Gavin is on youtube saying "he has 9 inch wide palms! did you see those bannana hands!! :D" like what he did with reke.

with out a summer league we won't see how much they would affect the team.. tyreke DMC and fredette better start working together they will be the key of sacramento's offense
 
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Aenadin said:
that would have been insane... the draft is exciting for us and we are more invested emotionally and as a fanbase because we want to improve. but like all things the events during draft day is like a cascading series of events, and there are reasons for people to rise and fall. I was pretty relieved we didnt pick kawhi. when stern was reading our pick i was like holding on, don't say it.. doooooont say kawhi. next thing we know Gavin is on youtube saying "he has 9 inch wide palms! did you see those bannana hands!! :D" like what he did with reke.

with out a summer league we won't see how much they would affect the team.. tyreke DMC and fredette better start working together they will be the key of sacramento's offense
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I was pretty certain they weren't picking Leonard once I heard about Salmons. If they'd have picked Leonard after trading for Salmons i would have been dumbfounded. I was wondering if they'd take Burks instead because they reportedly liked him also.
 
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Thornton has no options but to sign with us. Daly's anger I think is made up. So now we think Voison is a genius because she comes up with a gloom and doom scenario, right? Daly said he appreciated the Kings because they were the first team that wanted him to shoot. He said over the summer he would work on his mid range jump shot. He has a good relationship with Cousins. All the pgs fell except Jimmer at least as of the predictions of the last week in the mock drafts. Salmons is a SF/SG who plays good defense. That's what we needed. He is essential to our defense and not to our offense. We still have cap room but I don't even know if we want to use it.

No we didn't get Michael Jordan and Kareem.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
Jason Williams over Paul Pierce was worse. Can you imagine how good a Webber/Pierce combo could have been?
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Jason Williams brought Sacramento back on the map with his fun and exciting play. He was then traded for Mike Bibby, who in turn got us within a sliver of the NBA finals.

Quincy Douby got us jack. It was a stupid pick, we needed a defensive minded point guard, but he chose an undersized offensive minded shooting guard.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
What's not to get? They thought Salmons would take care of the needed upgrade at SF and that they could get a good player they wanted at 10 too.
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I think if they think 6'6 207 31 year old SG Salmons just solves the SF position than they are stupid. He's an upgrade yes. But we just went from 29 in the league for Sf's to 25 or something. Factor in contracts, and its a lose. Then we trade down two spots. Pretty much every other team in the league is better run than this.
 
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hammystyle said:
I think if they think 6'6 207 31 year old SG Salmons just solves the SF position than they are stupid. He's an upgrade yes. But we just went from 29 in the league for Sf's to 25 or something. Factor in contracts, and its a lose. Then we trade down two spots. Pretty much every other team in the league is better run than this.
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Well they got Jimmer so I'm happy. Two years in a row the Kings drafted who I wanted! The beno/salmons swap is secondary.
 
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RookieOfTheDay said:
What's not to get? They thought Salmons would take care of the needed upgrade at SF and that they could get a good player they wanted at 10 too.
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Plenty of other SF upgrades through FA. Not necessary to move 3 slots down to get an old retread SF who will be paid 8 million a year for the next 3 years.
 
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