Keep it or trade it?

[Spike]

Well, it's done. No sense in complaining about it now. I'll keep it simple:

Should we trade the pick? If so, who do you think we could get?

Should we keep the pick? If so, who do you think would be available at #7?

My gut is to trade the pick, as I think a veteran will be of greater impact to this team than the #7 pick in this year's draft.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Keep it. The possibility of getting a good young player is far more valuable than whatever junk we'd get for the 7th pick in a perceived poor draft.

 

[ParniValjak]

Always felt we should trade the pick as I didn't think we would get into top 3. Now, we definitely should use this pick as a means of getting Igoudala.

As I said in another thread, trade the pick for Igoudala, re-sign Dalembert and Thornton and sign up some heady veterans that will bring leadership and long range shooting and let it simmer and watch it blow up in a couple of years time.

 

[KINGSonFIRE]

I voted to trade it. I feel that this team can use a little veteran presence. Come on, Petrie! Work that magic! =)

 

[SacTownKid]

Keep it!!! Draft either Thompson or Biyombo.

Daly, Whiteside, and Thompson/Biyombo. Finger wags all the way around!!!!

 

[rainmaker]

It really depends on how other teams view the pick. As others have said, if it's enough to get Iggy, along with Omri, pull the trigger. If there isn't a good deal on the table, keep it. I do find Leonard intriguing though, as defensively he's been compared to a young artest/marion, with more offensive potential. Vesley has drawn comparisons to AK47. So who knows. There are 2 young sf prospects who could maybe contribute defensively right off the bat, and both have upside.

 

[Sac.1989]

Keep it. The possibility of getting a good young player is far more valuable than whatever junk we'd get for the 7th pick in a perceived poor draft.

My thinking is in line with this. Unless the return in trading it is a key piece moving forward we should let GP do what he does best

 

[rainmaker]

Depending on how much stock you put into what Jerry Reynolds says, the Kings have been considering trading the pick for a while. I'd assume this only increases those chances. But again, depends on the offers and how other teams value the pick. If you want to trade it, I guess the question is what can (7th pick+Omri+cap space) get you.

 

[hrdboild]

Considering the value of our pick to other teams plummeted just as much as it did for us right now, I wouldn't be in favor of trading the pick until we see who's going to be available and whether they're potentially better than whoever we could get in trade. I am more inclined to trade the pick though for an overpaid veteran (Igoudala for instance) than I was before. We need the best talent we can get, however we can get it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Trade to move up or trade for a vet. I don't see any value in a #7 on this team. Hard to believe the bad luck we have in the lotto - win a tiebreaker and the other team wins a top 3 pick, lose a tie breaker and its the difference between Noah and Hawes. Win the lottery and its one of the 3 worst drafts in the lotto era.

 

[Vlade4GM]

The results of this poll are the direct result of post-lottery bitterness.

 

[Spike]

I think the results are commensurate with the fact that we don't know much about the players after the top 3 (4?) There's a lot of youth, and some bigger names pulled out that would have made a stronger pick at #7 possible. That, and considering we have Evans, Thornton (hopefully), and Cousins, the #7 might not be as useful as a vet. At first, I thought a solid, safe pick would be better than a big gamble, but now I don't know. If there isn't anyone that can help this year at #7, why not gamble on a Euro or one of those "upside" sort of picks?

 

[ParniValjak]

The results of this poll are the direct result of post-lottery bitterness.

Not really because a lot of people have suggested trading the pick before the lottery. Now that it hasn't gone our way, those that were on the fence are leaning towards trading the pick.

 

[Kingster]

Depending on how much stock you put into what Jerry Reynolds says, the Kings have been considering trading the pick for a while. I'd assume this only increases those chances. But again, depends on the offers and how other teams value the pick. If you want to trade it, I guess the question is what can (7th pick+Omri+cap space) get you.

The cap space is the key variable. Casspi and the #1 are barely worth mentioning. They might throw in the #1 and Casspi in the deal just because they don't want either one of them.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think trading it always made more sense unless it was #1 or possibly #2. We plan to turn the corner this year, want to make a real playoff run, and it makes it hard to do that being the Clippers and just loading up with new lottery picks every year. You're too young and everybody is always learning. At some point, and we might be there now, you set your feet, say these are our kids, and then concentrate on getting them vets to help/support/fill in around them. You figure a #7 pick in this draft is probably going to be on the bench anyway for you next year. But that pick, in the right deal, might bring you back a glue vet. And yes, I think it might be able to get you Iggy if you combined it and Omri. The third enticement in that deal is $$. The pick ain't great. Omri << Iggy. But the enticement of shaving $12mil off their payroll and gaining financial flexibility in the future would be the kicker.

 

[Kingster]

I think trading it always made more sense unless it was #1 or possibly #2. We plan to turn the corner this year, want to make a real playoff run, and it makes it hard to do that being the Clippers and just loading up with new lottery picks every year. You're too young and everybody is always learning. At some point, and we might be there now, you set your feet, say these are our kids, and then concentrate on getting them vets to help/support/fill in around them. You figure a #7 pick in this draft is probably going to be on the bench anyway for you next year. But that pick, in the right deal, might bring you back a glue vet. And yes, I think it might be able to get you Iggy if you combined it and Omri. The third enticement in that deal is $$. The pick ain't great. Omri << Iggy. But the enticement of shaving $12mil off their payroll and gaining financial flexibility in the future would be the kicker.

Seriously, what are some glue vets that you think are realistic for the #7 pick? Don't throw in cap dollars or other players in the deal. Just the #7 pick.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Not really because a lot of people have suggested trading the pick before the lottery. Now that it hasn't gone our way, those that were on the fence are leaning towards trading the pick.

That doesn't make any sense. I'd argue that if we had gotten the third pick or something, there would be a better argument for a trade, because that might actually get you something of significance in return. You don't just trade a pick to get some decent veteran. Just ask the Rockets how trading the 8th pick in the draft for Shane Battier worked out. Yes, Battier turned out to be a solid player for them, but they ended up not being good enough to contend while they had Battier, and they could have used a quality young player in Gay far more than Battier, in the long run. And Houston was much much closer to contending at that point than we are right now.

That doesn't mean I'm against trading the pick as part of a bigger package for a significant piece, but just putting it on the trading block is foolish.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Seriously, what are some glue vets that you think are realistic for the #7 pick? Don't throw in cap dollars or other players in the deal. Just the #7 pick.

How do you not throw in cap dollars? Any vet worth picking up is going to command at least 2x the salary of the #7.

 

[swisshh]

I would trade it, but who wants to trade for #7 in this draft?

 

[Kingster]

What's very odd is all the talk coming from Kings camp about trading the pick and trading Casspi. This is from the CIA-top-secret agent, Geoff Petrie? I don't get the talk, and I don't get what the advantage is in showing your cards. Reynolds can talk all he wants about trading the pick. On numerous occassions he's said: That's great, but some team has got to value your pick enough to make the deal. So who is dying for that #7? NOBODY. Reynolds said as much when he alluded to the fact they could look at 20-something players after the #5 spot who are relatively equal in ability.

 

[BMiller52]

I would trade it, but who wants to trade for #7 in this draft?

I'm sure with one of our young players and some cap space and the pick, we can get a good player. After all, its still a top 10 pick. Its not like we are selecting a player who actually does not know how to play the game of basketball at #7.

 

[Bricklayer]

Seriously, what are some glue vets that you think are realistic for the #7 pick? Don't throw in cap dollars or other players in the deal. Just the #7 pick.

Why on earth would I not throw in cap dollars and other players? This isn't some game. In real life these things are all combined. Bunch of little assets stacked up to equal a big one. But here's some lottery area deals of recent years:

Washington trades #5 pick to Minny along wiht a bunch of junk for Randy Foye and Mike Miller (taking on their salaries btw).
Minnesota trades the #16 pick and Ryan Gomes to Portland for Martell Webster
Boston trades #5, Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak to get Ray Allen
Charlotte trades the #8 pick to get Jason Richardson

etc. You can get some good guys for packages involving lottery picks in that range. Not stars. But we don't need stars. But talented players.

 

[Kingster]

How do you not throw in cap dollars? Any vet worth picking up is going to command at least 2x the salary of the #7.

The point is: What is the value of the #7 pick? If you isolate the variable rather than complicate it with cap dollars then reality starts to set in.

 

[funkykingston]

Ironically I was most in favor of trading the pick if it were in the top 2 and now I'd lean towards keeping it. I don't think Irving is anything special or great value paired with Tyreke and I saw Williams as a tweener too stiff to succeed at the 3. I've come around a bit on Williams but I'm still not convinced he's a natural SF or a great fit for the Kings. In what many see as a two player draft (maybe 3 with Kantner) that pick might have more value to other teams than it would to the kings.

But the 7th pick in this draft (as Vlade pointed out) has little perceived value. But Geoff got Tyreke in what was seen as a two player draft (with one of those "two" dropping past the Kings on draft day) and I'd wager that Petrie can get better value drafting than trading the 7th pick.

 

[Kingster]

Why on earth would I not throw in cap dollars and other players? This isn't some game. In real life these things are all combined. Bunch of little assets stacked up to equal a big one. But here's some lottery area deals of recent years:

Washington trades #5 pick to Minny along wiht a bunch of junk for Randy Foye and Mike Miller (taking on their salaries btw).
Minnesota trades the #16 pick and Ryan Gomes to Portland for Martell Webster
Boston trades #5, Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak to get Ray Allen
Charlotte trades the #8 pick to get Jason Richardson

etc. You can get some good guys for packages involving lottery picks in that range. Not stars. But we don't need stars. But talented players.

Because it really tells you what the #7 is worth. Give a good faith effort. If you throw in cap dollars and other players they just are confounding variables in the exercise.

 

[PurpleHaze]

I would trade pick in a heartbeat for the right package - meaning along w/another Kings player for a solid vet and maybe getting back a pick. Someone said, #7 means the guy can play basketball. Jimmer Ferdette is a helluva player at BYU, at NCAA level but... I question if he can have such a tremendous impact at the next level. He'll likely be there at #7 along with bunch of other question marks that start around #5 and beyond. I vote trade it.

 

[DesertFox]

I think this is definitely a situation where you look to trade. As much as this team needs a 3, Vesley/Lenoard will probably not be much better than Garcia, and probably be behind Greene/Casspi. A big is interesting, especially if Dally goes, but could you really survive a rookie/JT/Cuz rotation? Dally is more likely to be replaced by another vet.
And unless Knight falls, none of the guards will be any sort of upgrade, so a #7 pick will not help this team in the short term, and would only further muddle the longterm picture. The Kings are past the point of a barren team stockpiling talent, and should look for a trade partner who is.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Sixers fans on realgm still willing to do #7 and Casspi for Iggy and #16. Or Garcia and Casspi and #7 for Iggy (and no pick).

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The point is: What is the value of the #7 pick? If you isolate the variable rather than complicate it with cap dollars then reality starts to set in.

Well if cap dollars aren't traded that means you can only trade for another #7 still on his rookie contract which I believe limits us to Greg Monroe, Steph Curry or Eric Gordon.

 

[Warhawk]

The point is: What is the value of the #7 pick? If you isolate the variable rather than complicate it with cap dollars then reality starts to set in.

But that IS the value. It is a piece that, added with cap space, may get a decent player in return. That is like saying what is the value of a #1 pick. The year we picked Pervis, not so much. The last couple, quite a bit. It depends on who is available at the pick and how much other teams want that player. If a good PG is available, Kahn will drop Love in our laps for it methinks!