Prospect watch 2011

Of players who are testing the waters or signed agents:

Travis Leslie (signed agent) is a late first round pick, with a slight off chance of falling into the 2nd. His current offense is quite poor, but he's got significant offensive upside and even has court vision to boot--might be understated, in fact. Defensively he's got the clamps--he's really good at making defensive plays, and for a guy standing 6'4" rebounds well. He has little bust potential, as an accomplished college player with a wide swath of skills, and has offensive growth potential in the league. Tony Allen's getting the All-D accolades right now, and Leslie is absolutely in that mold--might actually help his stock. Can be a real sleeper, and has draft steal potential.

Tobias Harris (testing waters) could theoretically use another year, but I sort of think he might have peaked--physically and game-wise, he's mature enough for the league and probably made the right choice. I'm not very high on him given what I think is his lack of upside--he's a decent college scorer but his brand of offense should suffer in the league, and his passing ability and defensive playmaking are lacking. But he has little bust potential, and should best be classified as rugged--he's a roleplaying guy who can rebound decently and score at spurts, and that's what guys like Landry Fields do with the Knicks. He could carve a similar trajectory in his career. He's a freshman however (unlike Fields) which works to his favor, and that could put him in the late 1st.

Malcolm Lee (signed agent) should look slightly better offensively in the league and fits in well as a combo guard, so despite his current undraftable offense there's slight hope. Defensively he's pretty lockdown--he's vertically athletic, has quick feet, and a pest's mentality, and he's pretty much virtually a contain defender in the mold of Keith Bogans/Bruce Bowen. He might need to crossmatch, however, since he's a SG offensively but only has the height to defend PGs. However, for someone this athletic, he's really terrible at making defensive plays and rebounding. He has quite a bit of bust potential if he's drafted say early 2nd round--his offense is poor and he wastes his athleticism. I want to like him given that PGs/combos coming out of UCLA do way better in the league than at UCLA, but I don't have a good feeling about this one.

Shelvin Mack (testing waters) looks very good at the offensive side of the court at first glance--he should be a good offensive player in this league (even better than in college) and he can play PG decently for extended periods, having the court vision to do so. All-around offense is his calling card. But I'm still hesitant whether he can fully accomplish this goal in the league, as his NBA-readiness in terms of overall game isn't on par with his offense. He'll probably make a useful offensive player in some capacity, but accounting for the NBA-readiness, it might be more good rather than very good.

Tristan Thompson (signed agent) is quite accomplished at college despite only being a first year, so he doesn't have that much bust potential--in fact, he's NBA-ready in terms of making defensive plays in particular, which is lotto material. He's a decent rebounder, but should be better. His offense is all kinds of mediocre for the league. He isn't an intimidating brute given the lack of height, and the offense won't make him a star, but a pre-arthoscopic surgery Kenyon Martin role seems feasible, and with his NBA-ready defensive playmaking as the selling point.

Reggie Jackson (testing waters) will probably be a better scorer at college than in the NBA, but he has good PG skills which is an asset given that he's 6'3". Very good rebounder too, and he potentially can be a stat stuffer in the league. There's not much bust potential with him either, as he's really the definition of a NBA-ready player. There isn't much upside to his overall game, but should be a contributor.
 

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Malcolm Lee (signed agent) should look slightly better offensively in the league and fits in well as a combo guard, so despite his current undraftable offense there's slight hope. Defensively he's pretty lockdown--he's vertically athletic, has quick feet, and a pest's mentality, and he's pretty much virtually a contain defender in the mold of Keith Bogans/Bruce Bowen. He might need to crossmatch, however, since he's a SG offensively but only has the height to defend PGs.
Lee is listed at 6'5" and is pretty long. I think he'll have no trouble size-wise guarding SGs in the NBA.

Tristan Thompson (signed agent)
This seems to be a point of contention. Unless something has come up today, the only outlet reporting that Thompson has hired an agent is NBAdraft.net, and it seems to run counter to other evidence (including his mom saying, "Um, whut?"). It turns out that there is a guard coincidentally named Tristan Thompson who is a senior out of the University of North Texas and there is some speculation that it is the UNT senior who has hired an agent. My guess is that NBAdraft.net did in fact get it wrong, and is holding out on publishing a retraction in the hope that the incorrect story will come true after all.
 

bajaden

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Lee is listed at 6'5" and is pretty long. I think he'll have no trouble size-wise guarding SGs in the NBA.



This seems to be a point of contention. Unless something has come up today, the only outlet reporting that Thompson has hired an agent is NBAdraft.net, and it seems to run counter to other evidence (including his mom saying, "Um, whut?"). It turns out that there is a guard coincidentally named Tristan Thompson who is a senior out of the University of North Texas and there is some speculation that it is the UNT senior who has hired an agent. My guess is that NBAdraft.net did in fact get it wrong, and is holding out on publishing a retraction in the hope that the incorrect story will come true after all.
I'm also curious about Thompson. Everything I've read up to now said he was going back to Texas for another year. I guess we'll find out soon if a mistake has been made. I thought he had a nice freshman year, and he plays much taller than his listed 6'8". I don't know his arm length, but I suspect its well over seven feet. Tough kid thats not afraid to bang. Going back to school is probably the best thing for him, but if its true that he's declared, he'll probably be a lottery pick.

I'm not a big fan of Malcom Lee. I place a lot of value on improvement from year to year, and Lee has showed little, for a guy that was highly touted coming out of highschool. Being a good defender can only get you so far. You have to have some kind of offense to play in the league, unless you happen to be 6'10" or above and you can rebound like hell. I can tell you right now, in the NBA no one would even bother to guard him.

On the other hand, I have a soft spot in my heart for Shevin Mack. He made big shot after big shot in big games all year long. And he was tough as nails in the tournament. He's just a tough kid with a lot of heart. Someone will definitely take him in the second round. Tobias Harris needs to stay in school. Travis Leslie is someone I really tried to like. He's in my, I really want to like this kid folder. Along with D.J. Kennedy, and Jeff Taylor. All three guys are so close, but just not quite there. But hey, if you want three really good defensive specialists, there they are. Of the three, Taylor will probably be the only one taken in the first round, with Leslie coming close. Taylor has a little more value because he can guard SF's and SG's. Taylor has a very nice stroke too. He's just so damm irratic. Actually, I do like all three guys. Its just that they irritate me.
 
Lee's 6'5", but a small one. Yes he compensates with length and speed, but he's thin and I can easily see him get overpowered by stronger wings, and taller players can shoot over him. Luckily for him the league is trending towards tons of combo guards lately, and he can defend those. I'm actually surprised people think he might be drafted--if it were purely on the basis on college career, this guy would be absolutely undrafted. Just goes to show what people think of his physical tools+upside combination. He can be a good contain defender in this league, and I do see a glimmer of upside offensively, but he's really got to improve quickly from his current state if he wants any staying power. DX actually put it best--they thought it was smart of him to stay in the draft, because how much more can he improve in UCLA's system, while taking advantage of a weak draft? This probably is his best bet. In this draft, he has a chance to be a second round pick--he's athletic and can be a workout wonder, that might help. But sounds like his own coach isn't certain of his draft prospects.

Yeah, I read about Tristan Thompson's agent signing on nbadraft.net. He can afford another year, but I definitely wouldn't fault him if he chose to stay in the draft.

Tyler Honeycutt (signed agent) sort of reminds me of a taller version of Iman Shumpert--that versatility is tantalizing. He can play PG at spurts, as he has combo PG skills at 6'8", and his work on the other end of the court is NBA material--he's a very good rebounder and makes quite a lot of defensive plays. His offense is mediocre in the league, but his versatility+athleticism made him a lotto pick early to mid-season. But he slipped badly at the end and doesn't appear to be NBA ready--his rebounding and passing ability might not be as good as his skills suggest for the league, which is why he's dropped all the way to the 2nd round. Despite those swath of skills, because of that, he might have some real bust potential.

Josh Selby (will sign agent?) is just a project in the absolute sense of the word, if he stays in the draft. Shouldn't even be in the draft, frankly. His offense should look way better in the NBA than in college, but his offense is a bit of a wreck right now and he passes the ball like a SG--doesn't even seem to have any semblance of PG skills at the moment. Selby has the speed and the tools to defend, but his work on the non-offensive side was very poor this season, particularly in rebounding. He just doesn't have that one NBA-viable attribute, and has a lot of bust potential IMO.

Jordan Williams (testing waters) appears to be NBA-ready, and I think he's an elite-level NBA rebounder. He isn't much of an athlete, but just knows how to corral the basketball. He's a decent college offensive player but I think it will look significantly worse in the NBA, and he's also a black hole. I actually do think it was a bit of a smart choice for him to declare, because I'm not sure how much better he can get from here. He's NBA-ready and has limited upside from here on out, and while he only has one bankable NBA skill (with maybe spurts of offense) that could be enough to get him in the 2nd round somewhere.

Chris Singleton (signed agent) will make his living on the defensive end in the league, and his ability to make defensive plays in the league is high-level lotto material, and at 6'8" with that athleticism that should easily translate to the league. He's also a very good rebounder for someone his height. Offensively he's all-around poor, but he should look fairly better in the league. I do question whether he's NBA-ready at this stage, as he has a lot of things around his game to really iron out, so he's got bust potential for sure. But he's old for his draft class and it's questionable how much more he can improve is stock within the college confines, so he probably made the right decision to stay in the draft. Should be a 20s pick.

Kawhi Leonard (signed agent) is a NBA-ready player who can rebound at an elite level for the NBA, despite being only 6'7" 225 lbs. He's also got amazingly good court vision for a player of his size, and could be a nice little wrinkle to his game, and is decent at making defensive plays. His offense will definitely look worse at this level, and that plus his height might limit his upside, but he knows his game and should make most of his impact with hustle plays/defense. Not a star, but in a weak draft like this, he should go #7-18.

Nikola Mirotic (testing waters) is quite similar to Donatas Motiejunas in nearly every facet; Mirotic's the worse offensive player but both players have fairly significant offensive upside for the NBA, and should be able to reach it. Everything else for both players is just not really NBA-material, although Mirotic has a slightly better all-around game. Should be a 40s-50s pick.

Doron Lamb (back to school) should appear to be a better offensive player in the league than at college, and he should reach that upside, and he knows his game very well. He's also a good ballhandler and otherwise doesn't force things as a shooter. He'll absolutely need to be hidden defensively--he was the bottom 2, of all 102 prospects, in rebounding and making defensive plays, and at 6'4" he doesn't have the speed against shorter guards and the height against taller ones. His shooting is material that could help him stay in the league for half a decade, but he needs to avoid all the severe pitfalls in the rest of his game, as well as in his physical tools, to really make a difference in the league. As such there might be a minutes cap to his NBA playing time, but he should find a niche as a shooter in the league somewhere in the future.
 
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bajaden

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I'm trying to do as much research as I can to go along with my notes, on as many players as possible. I'll start with Jimmer Fredette, since I probably have more info on him than just about anyone else.

He's probably the best known player not in the projected top ten picks. Thats both good and bad. Good, because it gets you the noteriety you want. Bad, because it brings up the question, if your that famous, why aren't you in the top ten? He might be the most polarizing player in the draft, similar to Cousins last year, but for entirely different reasons.

His positives are all on the offensive side of the ball. The kid can score. And he can score from just about everywhere, except maybe posting up, which I don't recall him ever doing the entire season. Its a part of his game he should work on at the next level. However, he's very crafty around the basket when driving the lane. He can score with either hand via layups, floaters and the occasional dunk. I think his biggest strength is his mid-range game. He's simply deadly from between 10 feet to 15 feet. He amazed me at times with his ability to split a double team with a lean through hesitation shot. It just looks like he has no chance to score, and Wa La, the ball goes in.

Of course everyone knows of his outside shooting ability, and his uncanny range. They showed him prior to a game at warmups shooting the ball from halfcourt just for fun. He made a lot more than he missed and hit 7 or 8 in a row at one point. His shot is effortless and he gets outstanding elevation on his shot to go with a very quick release. I was very impressed watching him come off a screen being chased by two defenders, with how he managed to get his body squared up so quickly.

He's a very good ballhandler, and had the ball in his hands on just about every possession. He's a slightly better ballhandler with his right hand than he is with his left, but the difference isn't enough to talk about. He has a wicked crossover dribble and is a lot quicker off the dribble than people think. Just about every team he played put their best defender on Fredette, and I can't think of one defender all year that could keep Fredette in front of him. So finding his own shot in the NBA shouldn't be a problem.

Fredette is also a very good passer and averaged 4.3 assists for the year. More impressive when you consider that he really didn't have many offensively skilled players to pass to. Put him on a team with a good post player and a couple of good 3 pt shooters and I can see that assist total going up significantly. He has good court vision and good basketball IQ. He knows how to play the game. Athleticly, he's not John Wall, but he's not a slouch either. He won't win many 100 yard dashes, but he's a lot faster than people think. If you watched him play as much as I have, you'd know that he can kick in the afterburners when he wants. He's a lot better athlete than addvertized. Reportedly, he posted a 34 inch vertical, and a 36 inch vertical in two separate tests at BYU. If you watch the elevation he gets on his jumpshot, those measurements become more believable. But we'll find out at the combine.

Most of his criticism comes from the defensive side of the ball. And after watching him all year, I can't really say anything to defend that. BYU played a zone most of the time, and in that zone Fredette just sort of floated around. On the few occasions they went man to man, he did show some effort, particularly in close games. In his defense, BYU's head coach said they never asked Fredette to play defense. Here's a quote from him.

"A lot of it is on us. We expect so much from him on the offensive end. We can't afford to have him in foul trouble. He's a much better defender than he's given credit for. A lot of it is part of our game plan."

When you consider that Fredette almost averaged 40 minutes a game and handled the ball every possession, and did the bulk of the scoring, you can understand why they might try and hide him on the defensive side of the ball. He's proven to be extremely durable, considering that he got beat up almost every game. He's also very strong, with a very solid build. He's been compared to Deron Williams buildwise, and I think thats a good comparison.

So what you have is a very good offensive player whose game on the offensive side should easily translate to the NBA. I see him as more of a combo guard, which the NBA seems to be going to. He's a very hard worker, and still has upside in my opinion. The question marks are all on the defensive side of the ball. But if he proves to be a good athlete at the combine and in the team workouts, teams may believe he can be taught to play defense. If so, he may rise up the draft boards.
 
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This is the Arizona Daily Star's beat writer. RT @BrucePascoe: #ArizonaWildcats Derrick Williams declaring for NBA draft, will sign w agent


no suprise, glad he is announcing.....no Knight and Terrence...
 

bajaden

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This is the Arizona Daily Star's beat writer. RT @BrucePascoe: #ArizonaWildcats Derrick Williams declaring for NBA draft, will sign w agent


no suprise, glad he is announcing.....no Knight and Terrence...
When you say no Knight or Terrence, do you mean they haven't declared yet, or, they've decided not to declare? Its sort of vague the way you put it.
 

Kingster

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Obviously the biggest question about Fredette is whether he can play defense. In fairness to him, his coach admitted that he didn't ask Fredette to play defense, because of having to play almost 40 minutes a game and the amount of pressure on him on the offensive side of the ball. So if he wasn't trying, or at best, was giving a token effort, its hard to really judge how good or bad he might be if he did try.

Just from watching him on offense, I think he's a better athlete than he's given credit for. My gut tells me that defensively, he'll fall somewhere around the Beno system of defense. Which isn't that good, but it is doable if he brings enough to the table offensively. Now he could be worse than that, or, he could surpise us and be better than that. I'm sure that when he has a team workout, they'll bring other prospective PG's and have them defend one another. Similar to what the Kings did when they brought in Evans, Jennings, Flynn and Curry all at the same time. They should be able to discern something from that.
I think Reynolds likes him. Said in so many words that he was a bigger Bibby.
 

Kingster

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I'm also curious about Thompson. Everything I've read up to now said he was going back to Texas for another year. I guess we'll find out soon if a mistake has been made. I thought he had a nice freshman year, and he plays much taller than his listed 6'8". I don't know his arm length, but I suspect its well over seven feet. Tough kid thats not afraid to bang. Going back to school is probably the best thing for him, but if its true that he's declared, he'll probably be a lottery pick.

I'm not a big fan of Malcom Lee. I place a lot of value on improvement from year to year, and Lee has showed little, for a guy that was highly touted coming out of highschool. Being a good defender can only get you so far. You have to have some kind of offense to play in the league, unless you happen to be 6'10" or above and you can rebound like hell. I can tell you right now, in the NBA no one would even bother to guard him.

On the other hand, I have a soft spot in my heart for Shevin Mack. He made big shot after big shot in big games all year long. And he was tough as nails in the tournament. He's just a tough kid with a lot of heart. Someone will definitely take him in the second round. Tobias Harris needs to stay in school. Travis Leslie is someone I really tried to like. He's in my, I really want to like this kid folder. Along with D.J. Kennedy, and Jeff Taylor. All three guys are so close, but just not quite there. But hey, if you want three really good defensive specialists, there they are. Of the three, Taylor will probably be the only one taken in the first round, with Leslie coming close. Taylor has a little more value because he can guard SF's and SG's. Taylor has a very nice stroke too. He's just so damm irratic. Actually, I do like all three guys. Its just that they irritate me.
Thompson totally flashed to me when I watched Texas games. The guy definitely has major potential in my book, but has a ways to go. If I recall he's a poor FT shooter and his offense didn't look that great. But he looks very athletic to me, very smooth. There is a lot to work with there. Plays much bigger than his size would indicate.
 

bajaden

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Thompson totally flashed to me when I watched Texas games. The guy definitely has major potential in my book, but has a ways to go. If I recall he's a poor FT shooter and his offense didn't look that great. But he looks very athletic to me, very smooth. There is a lot to work with there. Plays much bigger than his size would indicate.
He played well for a freshman. No doubt he's very raw, but the fact that he is, and played as well as he did, makes one take notice. He seems to have good intincts for the game, and your right, he plays bigger than he is. He rebounded well, and he played very good defense at times. As you said, offensively, he has a long way to go, but he definitely puts in the effort.
 
looks like barnes is staying at unc.. and since we very likely won't have a chance at Irving/Williams I really think Terrence jones merits major consideration here. as much as I have loved Kemba Walker all year we can't take him, we need to re-sign marcus Thornton not push him out. and I think it would be ludicrous to take a guard in the 1st unless it were a lebron/John wall type player. and it's questionable if even Irving is that.

jones gives us a great fit in the lineup. he can guard the kobe's of the world and fits in well with Marcus/reke and our two bigmen because he's long athletic, hustles, is skilled, can help block shots and is a solid shooter for his size. I really like him as a player and think he has star potential. he's what we've been trying to get out of Greene/casspi for years..

I really think it would be crazy to take a guard, especially since it's not likely bpa, I do not think b knight is better than t jones. ideally Derrick williams would be the perfect fit but we aren't getting him.

we'd be crazy not to resign dalembert after all he has done for the team and the difference he's made this year especially 2nd half. and we can grab a guard in the 2nd who could be our 3rd guard and kick beno out the door so we get rid of all our defensive liabilities (started with hawes).
 
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If we end up picking, god forbid, somewhere between 5 and 8, then some players that might have been considered a reach, might not look so bad. There are some guys I really like. Jordan Hamilton, Kenneth Faried, Alex Burks, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmer Fredette, and Chris Singleton. I think all these guys will be good NBA players. A couple of them might be borderline all stars down the road. Its possible that T. Jones might drop that far as well.

While Walker, and I will include Fredette, aren't the best fit for our team, when you consider need. Either one could be a valuable asset as the fourth guard behind Evans, Thornton, and Beno. Either guy could bring something off the bench that could dramaticly change the game. And with the three guard rotation seemingly locked in, either guy would have the luxury of not having pressure on him to contribute right away.
I really don't see how walker or fredette could be the 4th guard behind beno. both of them are clearly superior to beno. maybe for the first part of the season but I don't know how either one of these guys would get stuck behind Beno for long. they both have parts of their games that are very NBA ready.


that being said if walker Williams irving are gone and it came down to t jones, k faried, vesely and valencianas who would you like best? I personally do think t jones is a good enough ballhandler (thought he was pretty good for a forward in the few games I saw) and athletic enough to be a full time SF with sometime at the stretch 4 if that's how the matchups played out. I'm really not a fan of either euro guy. is 6-7 too early to take faried? I haven't seen enough of him to make that call. I think a dominant rebounder at sf would make our team very formidable, especially in playoff atmosphere basketball in the future.
 

gunks

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Isnt Faried more of a 4/5? I dont think his shot/handles are that good....Nowhere close to the level you'd want from a SF. Apparently he is quick and athletic enough to guard SFs though.

Would be cool to have a double digit rebounder at the 3 though, wouldnt it?


I think if we miss out on the top 4, we should try to trade down and nab an extra pick. Then swing for the fences on high upside guys.
 

bajaden

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Isnt Faried more of a 4/5? I dont think his shot/handles are that good....Nowhere close to the level you'd want from a SF. Apparently he is quick and athletic enough to guard SFs though.

Would be cool to have a double digit rebounder at the 3 though, wouldnt it?


I think if we miss out on the top 4, we should try to trade down and nab an extra pick. Then swing for the fences on high upside guys.
I take the best player available. Regardless of position. You can't let your quest for SF get you off track. If I think the best player on the board is Faried, then I take him. Now if I have to choose between Faried and T. Jones, then I take Jones, because he's a more rounded player. He has more skills. There are other guys that I really like as well. I like Jordan Hamilton a lot, and I like Alex Burks a lot.
 

bajaden

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I really don't see how walker or fredette could be the 4th guard behind beno. both of them are clearly superior to beno. maybe for the first part of the season but I don't know how either one of these guys would get stuck behind Beno for long. they both have parts of their games that are very NBA ready.


that being said if walker Williams irving are gone and it came down to t jones, k faried, vesely and valencianas who would you like best? I personally do think t jones is a good enough ballhandler (thought he was pretty good for a forward in the few games I saw) and athletic enough to be a full time SF with sometime at the stretch 4 if that's how the matchups played out. I'm really not a fan of either euro guy. is 6-7 too early to take faried? I haven't seen enough of him to make that call. I think a dominant rebounder at sf would make our team very formidable, especially in playoff atmosphere basketball in the future.
First, the reason I had either Walker or Fredette, coming off the bench behind Beno, is simply experience. And while I agree that both Walker and Fredette bring more experience than some others like Knight, who is only a freshman, while Fredette is a senior and Walker is a junior, its still a big jump to the NBA, especially at the PG position. Now we can argue over what kind of PG either of them is, but regardles, its going to be a significant transtion. Now down the road, either of them would probably make Beno irrelevant. But how long that would take is anyone's guess.

Of T. Jones and Faried, Jones would make the easier transition to SF. He at least has some offensive game away from the basket. Both guys are very good athlete's. But Faried is a freak athlete. Both guys are very good defenders, with Faried having the edge near the basket, barely, and Jones having the edge away from the basket. I would say that right now, Jones is the better all around defender, simply because he's had some experience guarding players both under and away from the basket. While Jones is a very good rebounder, Faried is the all time leading NCAA rebounder. He stands alone on that throne, and no one is even near him.

I'll be honest. I'm not sure that Faried can transition to the SF position. Whereas I feel that T. Jones can. For that reason, I would draft Jones over Faried. But make no mistake. I'd love to have Faried on my team. He has a motor that never stops, and makes plays all over the floor. diving for loose balls and blocking shots. Give me five guys like Faried, and I'll win a lot of games.
 

bajaden

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You can be sure that Faried won't ever sniff SF. Offensively, he's a 6'8 center.
I think he can play PF, but thats really beside the point. He brings certain things to the game. You put him on the floor and use those talents when you need them. I'm very interested in seeing how he measures out at the combine. His current measurements are the same as his freshman year. I'm curious to see if he's grown since then. But I agree, I doubt you'll ever see him at the SF position. However, I said the same thing about Corliss Williamson, and I was wrong.
 

bajaden

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Its being reported on ESPN and just about every other site that Barnes has officially decided to return to North Carolina. And the beat goes on!
 

Glenn

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Its being reported on ESPN and just about every other site that Barnes has officially decided to return to North Carolina. And the beat goes on!
Maybe there will be no one in the draft. :) If we can't get Irving or Walker and Barnes is not available I'm a little perplexed. Given the makeup of the team and its needs and assuming we sign or trade for that SF that plugs the only hole on this now awful team, Fredette looks interesting. I personally want a guy who isn't good enough to be a starter as I am locked into Reke and Thornton and will always believe that a starting type little guy will only cause a problem in the future as he will be unhappy.

Drafting a SF makes sense yet we will probably acquire a SF and we certainly have enough skill to be our bench SF. Garcia can come off the bench. Fredette adds a unique dimension and causes the least disruption to what is finally evolving into something that could be very good.

So there. :)
 
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I guess I understand why these guys don't want to sit out next year, but boy are they taking a risk financially. Barnes was probably going to be a 2 or 3 pick.
 

Kingster

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First, the reason I had either Walker or Fredette, coming off the bench behind Beno, is simply experience. And while I agree that both Walker and Fredette bring more experience than some others like Knight, who is only a freshman, while Fredette is a senior and Walker is a junior, its still a big jump to the NBA, especially at the PG position. Now we can argue over what kind of PG either of them is, but regardles, its going to be a significant transtion. Now down the road, either of them would probably make Beno irrelevant. But how long that would take is anyone's guess.

Of T. Jones and Faried, Jones would make the easier transition to SF. He at least has some offensive game away from the basket. Both guys are very good athlete's. But Faried is a freak athlete. Both guys are very good defenders, with Faried having the edge near the basket, barely, and Jones having the edge away from the basket. I would say that right now, Jones is the better all around defender, simply because he's had some experience guarding players both under and away from the basket. While Jones is a very good rebounder, Faried is the all time leading NCAA rebounder. He stands alone on that throne, and no one is even near him.

I'll be honest. I'm not sure that Faried can transition to the SF position. Whereas I feel that T. Jones can. For that reason, I would draft Jones over Faried. But make no mistake. I'd love to have Faried on my team. He has a motor that never stops, and makes plays all over the floor. diving for loose balls and blocking shots. Give me five guys like Faried, and I'll win a lot of games.
The nice thing about drafting one of the guards is that there really wouldn't be pressure to play him immediately. He could ease into it, rather than be forced into it. And he would have some serious competition for playing time, which is a good thing imo.
 
I guess I understand why these guys don't want to sit out next year, but boy are they taking a risk financially. Barnes was probably going to be a 2 or 3 pick.
Yeah, I get this for some of the lower prospects who think they can improve their stock, but I don't see how this helps Barnes. He was going to be 2 or 3, now he's be competing with what is probably a stronger draft next year and he better really improve. Even then, at most he moves up two spots and has delayed his big pay day by a year. I just don't get it.
 
I don't think Barnes was going to be remotely a 2 or 3 pick, and that's why he didn't declare.
I'm pretty sure that he would have been at least a 3 or 4 pick, and possibly 2 if the lottery shook out in his favor. I definitely could have seen Minny, Toronto, Cleveland, or Washington go for him. He fit a lot of needs better than most other prospects in that area.