The maloofs are real smart keeping silent

#1
Does anyone else think that the maloofs aren't saying anything about the arena because if they do say there leaving then there afraid nobody will go to any kings games?
Think about it, if they said there leaving all the fans would be mad and would not attend anymore games and would lose more money!
If they don't say anything it makes it look like there staying and people still buy tickets. Therefore maloofs pocket more money before they leave out of town.

Smart idea, the maloofs are playing us.
 
#2
Does anyone else think that the maloofs aren't saying anything about the arena because if they do say there leaving then there afraid nobody will go to any kings games?
Think about it, if they said there leaving all the fans would be mad and would not attend anymore games and would lose more money!
If they don't say anything it makes it look like there staying and people still buy tickets. Therefore maloofs pocket more money before they leave out of town.

Smart idea, the maloofs are playing us.
Or, just possibly it's because every time they say something it gets twisted .........................
 
#3
Here's a question for all of you.

Let's say that the Maloofs announced at tomorrow's game that they are leaving Sacramento. They say all the right things about it being a wonderful experience, saying it's sad that they are leaving, but they've have to leave.

There will only be 11 home games after the Clipper game, so here's my question:

Would you go to those games to get a last view of your Sacramento Kings before they left?

I don't live in the area, but I know that I would try to get to as many games as I had the opportunity to see, because I wouldn't have the opportunity again afterwards.

People say that if the Maloof's announce they are going to leave, people won't show up. I know that I personally would, because I love this team and it's players and I'd want to see them one last time.

Am I in minority in this?

Would people who love this team really not take advantage of their last opportunities to see them play?

I completely understand the hurt feelings and devastation such an announcement would cause but, you really aren't going to go out and support the players and see them again?

I don't understand that mentality and I'm just curious if I'm the only one.
 

Glenn

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#4
Does anyone else think that the maloofs aren't saying anything about the arena because if they do say there leaving then there afraid nobody will go to any kings games?
Think about it, if they said there leaving all the fans would be mad and would not attend anymore games and would lose more money!
If they don't say anything it makes it look like there staying and people still buy tickets. Therefore maloofs pocket more money before they leave out of town.

Smart idea, the maloofs are playing us.
That is a flat out guess.
 
#5
You don't go because you protest.
You make sure the arena is completly empty so the maloofs can't make anymore money
Why would you help them out if there leaving us?
Watch it on tv.
 

Glenn

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#6
You don't go because you protest.
You make sure the arena is completly empty so the maloofs can't make anymore money
Why would you help them out if there leaving us?
Watch it on tv.
I would support tham because I am not angry at them. It is not their fault that we have the worst arena in the league., The city has fallen on its face over the last decade. I'd rather boo the city than the Maloofs.
 
#7
You don't go because you protest.
You make sure the arena is completly empty so the maloofs can't make anymore money
Why would you help them out if there leaving us?
Watch it on tv.
I don't get the protest part. If you don't show up, all you're doing is validating the Maloof's decision to leave. They are leaving because they didn't get support from the City to build an arena, and they haven't gotten enough support from the fans to attend the games.
If you don't show up at all, you make it that much easier for them to be happy with their decision to leave.

And...it hurts the players. I know if I were a player and my fans quit on me, I wouldn't think highly of the City or the fan base after moving away.

Not showing up just seems to do more harm than good, and as I mentioned earlier, I'd show up anyway and cheer them on because they are my team and my players for just a little while longer.
 
#8
Here's a question for all of you.

Let's say that the Maloofs announced at tomorrow's game that they are leaving Sacramento. They say all the right things about it being a wonderful experience, saying it's sad that they are leaving, but they've have to leave.

There will only be 11 home games after the Clipper game, so here's my question:

Would you go to those games to get a last view of your Sacramento Kings before they left?

I don't live in the area, but I know that I would try to get to as many games as I had the opportunity to see, because I wouldn't have the opportunity again afterwards.

People say that if the Maloof's announce they are going to leave, people won't show up. I know that I personally would, because I love this team and it's players and I'd want to see them one last time.

Am I in minority in this?

Would people who love this team really not take advantage of their last opportunities to see them play?

I completely understand the hurt feelings and devastation such an announcement would cause but, you really aren't going to go out and support the players and see them again?

I don't understand that mentality and I'm just curious if I'm the only one.
I would ask for a refund on my remaining season tickets.
 

rainmaker

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#9
Why would I blame the Maloofs?

A pro team needs a place to play, without one, they have to leave. It's not the job of a pro sports franchise to build an arena to play in. It's the job of the city to provide an arena for the team to play in if the city wants that team there. There are other cities which have arena's, don't have a team, and want the Kings. It's pretty simple. If Sac wants a team, provide them with a place to play. If not, they have to go find a place to play.

This doesn't have much to do with the Maloofs. The focus is on them because the Kings are the only show in town. But as the capital city, in the 8th largest economy in the world, it's the cities responsibility to provide an arena for entertainmanet purposes, not just the NBA, but the NCAA tournament, ice capades, mma, wwe, concerts, circus, etc.

If the city ends up not having a venue capable of hosting the damn ice capades, how will they provide a place to house an NBA franchise? It sure as hell isn't the responsibility of the Maloofs to provide an arena for the capital of calfornia, it's on the capital of california to provide an arena for the Kings.
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#10
You don't go because you protest.
You make sure the arena is completly empty so the maloofs can't make anymore money
Why would you help them out if there leaving us?
Watch it on tv.
Certainly something to decide if they officially leave the city. Right now, acting like you want them to leave before they've officially decided is probably a bad idea. And by probably, I mean definitely. If some remote part of them is thinking about staying, the last thing we want to do is push them out the door.
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
#11
Or, just possibly it's because every time they say something it gets twisted .........................
They made a quote early on saying, "we've said all we're going to say on the matter publicly" and have held relatively firm on this. At this point, actions speak louder than words.
 

bajaden

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#12
Does anyone else think that the maloofs aren't saying anything about the arena because if they do say there leaving then there afraid nobody will go to any kings games?
Think about it, if they said there leaving all the fans would be mad and would not attend anymore games and would lose more money!
If they don't say anything it makes it look like there staying and people still buy tickets. Therefore maloofs pocket more money before they leave out of town.

Smart idea, the maloofs are playing us.
Can you, for just one minute, try looking at it from their prespective. Lets back up just a little. Can we agree that a new arena is needed? That independent studies have been done, and the conclusion was that the old arena is falling apart, and because of how it was built in the first place, it can't even be remodeled and brought up to league standards. This was concluded almost 10 years ago. In that ten year period there have been several attempts to find a way to get an arena built. All of them failures for one reason or another. The most popular failure that the city and Bee journalists allude to is the one the Maloofs walked out on.

So why did they walk out? Because they had been in negotiations with the city on what their idea of what the arena should represent. You know, the usual things. Corporate boxes, parking, concessions, etc. All the things that make the Maloofs money. Location was also an issue. The railyards was the best location from a city point of view, but it was probably the most expensive when you take all the infrastructure that would be involved. And since financing is the main obstacle, just maybe, putting the arena in the cheapest place to build would be the best idea.

In any event, the Maloofs came to the meeting thinking they knew everything that was going to be propossed. But alas, no! They were completely blindsided by the city with plans they had never discussed, or if they had, they wern't popular with the Maloofs, and wern't suspossed to be part of any discussion. So there they were, standing in a public fourm, being asked to discuss, and approve something they never agreed to in advance. So they turned around and left. They were visibly angry, and felt betrayed by the city. Might explain way they might not trust the city now.

Now lets talk about this sudden sense of urgency by Johnson and the city council, and the seemingly lack of it by the Maloofs. Johnson put out requests for all parties interested to submit plans to build a new arena. And I'm referring to his request after the failure of the Cal ExPo land swap idea. He then put together a commision to study all the plans submited. The plans were submited and presented before the commison. The Taylor groups plan was deemed to be the best of the lot and thats the plan the commision decided on. But it still had to be approved by the city council.

Lets remember that the city council is made up of politicians. And a good politician will never miss a good opportunity to show his voters what a great job they did in electing him or her. Or is it, her or him. God knows I want to be politically correct. Especially when something as high profile as a new arena comes along. Now the city council could have done a quick review and rubberstamped the commissions recommendation.. But that wouldn't have allowed them any air time. No, lets not speed the process along as quickly as possible and approve the commissions recommendation. Lets go through the entire process all over again. Now they have every right to do that. But just maybe a little logic and a sense of urgency might be in need here. And so new meetings are scheduled and all the same parties come in and give the same presentations, and low and behold, the city council comes to the unlikely conclusion that the commission was right to begin with. So several weeks are wasted. And the Maloofs sit and observe as the march 1st deadline approaches.

Suddenly, because they have the gall to ask for an extension on the deadline, there's now a sense of urgency, and suddenly the Maloofs are being accused of dragging their feet. Strikes me that whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Where was that sense of urgency weeks ago when the city council could have by passed going through the entire process again, when god, you, me, and just about everyone else in the world knew that they were going to approve the same plan the commission recommended.

From day one, everything they've done has been questioned and twisted. If they say they want to stay, they're lying. It doesn't matter how many times they say it, or how many years they've been saying it. If I were the Maloofs, I would pack up my bags at the first opportunity and kiss this thankless city goodbye. And I'm not talking about the great fans out there. But the narrowminded people that only see rich billionaires that want to rob the city and starve the homeless. I've never been a class warfare person. I've always believed that there are good and bad people everywhere, and being rich or being poor isn't an excuse to do bad things. When Ronald Reagan was asked about class warfare and the evil corporations. He said, well, I've never seen anyone hired by a poor man. A simple statement to be sure. But it clearly gets the message across that although you might envy a rich person, he is the one that does all the employing of people. The city has already lost many employers of people. What few corporations the city did have, have left. Anyone remember Campbells soup. Many of the largest contractors have moved to other states.

The Kings have created a lot of jobs both directly and indirectly. Forget the 1 thousand people directly employed by the Kings. How may resturants and other businesses will shut their doors, or have to lay off people because of the Kings departure. Who prints their tickets? Who prints all their advertising?
Where do they buy their food from? Which local truck lines deliver most of their goods. There are thousands of related jobs involved that could and will be affected. Lets not even talk about the tax revenues the city will lose.

I can't sit here and tell you exactly what the Maloofs motives were in asking for an extension. And you have every right to look at it in a negative way. But remember, thats what a lot of folks have been doing since they bought the team, and its brought us to this. Me, I'm going to take a positive approach to the whole affair. I'm going to hope that their decision hasn't been made yet, and they're still in a limited, wait and see mode. If so, then there's hope, and thats a start. I'm on the side of the doers. The people that are willing to put out the effort. Willing to put their money and time where their mouth is. I have little use for the naysayer, whose best effort, is to say I told you so. I would hate to be left with nothing but the feeling of regret. Regret that I didn't even try.
 
#16
Why would you want to support an owner that basically says we don't want to be here so were leaving.
Did you actually read and understand Baja's very reasoned explaination? The bottom line is, NBA will force Kings franchise to relocate if and when they declare the old crumbling arena a safety hazzard. This has already happend with NCAA who declared it unsuitable for any of their sanctioned sports.
 

Glenn

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#17
Why would you want to support an owner that basically says we don't want to be here so were leaving.
Maloofs have always said they wanted to stay here and I have yet to hear them say they are leaving. But then I said I wouldn't argue with someone who has no interest in listening. That's you.
 
#18
So why did they walk out? Because they had been in negotiations with the city on what their idea of what the arena should represent. You know, the usual things. Corporate boxes, parking, concessions, etc. All the things that make the Maloofs money. Location was also an issue. The railyards was the best location from a city point of view, but it was probably the most expensive when you take all the infrastructure that would be involved. And since financing is the main obstacle, just maybe, putting the arena in the cheapest place to build would be the best idea.

In any event, the Maloofs came to the meeting thinking they knew everything that was going to be propossed. But alas, no! They were completely blindsided by the city with plans they had never discussed, or if they had, they wern't popular with the Maloofs, and wern't suspossed to be part of any discussion. So there they were, standing in a public fourm, being asked to discuss, and approve something they never agreed to in advance. So they turned around and left. They were visibly angry, and felt betrayed by the city. Might explain way they might not trust the city now.
If the article today in the bee is acruate then the Maloofs have been a big part of the problem. I mean really, wanting suite owners to be able to park behind the suites for easy access? What kinda of dream world are they in? It sounds like they want to better Jerry Jones stadium and make it a one of kind.
 

bajaden

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#19
Why would you want to support an owner that basically says we don't want to be here so were leaving.
Either you don't read, or your incapable of reading and understanding what you've read. You can't show me one quote from the Maloofs saying that they don't want to be here, or that they want to leave. They have said that they don't want to leave over and over again, and yet you come up with this nonsense. Which means you don't really care what the facts have been over the years. Your mind is made up, so there's no point even discussing it with you. By the way, I spent a lot of time writing a post to explain to you why you might think differently. And your one line response, was so inept, that it was almost insulting. I certainly won't waste anymore time on you.
 

Glenn

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#20
If the article today in the bee is acruate then the Maloofs have been a big part of the problem. I mean really, wanting suite owners to be able to park behind the suites for easy access? What kinda of dream world are they in? It sounds like they want to better Jerry Jones stadium and make it a one of kind.
And this is important at this moment why?
 

Glenn

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#21
Either you don't read, or your incapable of reading and understanding what you've read. You can't show me one quote from the Maloofs saying that they don't want to be here, or that they want to leave. They have said that they don't want to leave over and over again, and yet you come up with this nonsense. Which means you don't really care what the facts have been over the years. Your mind is made up, so there's no point even discussing it with you. By the way, I spent a lot of time writing a post to explain to you why you might think differently. And your one line response, was so inept, that it was almost insulting. I certainly won't waste anymore time on you.
Why don't you quit unless you are writing to bolster those of us who agree with you. Those who see the Maloofs as the devil himself will believe that no matter what the facts are. It is happeniong on the national level too. Rationality is dead.

Why not write notes like that to KJ or the Council? It would be more important.
 
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Glenn

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#23
Who knows what crazy ideas they have now.
This is your specialty I take it. Who knows anything but please don't pretend that your fantasy is the truth. Just like last night. You certainly are familiar with crazy ideas and yet again, do not believe the truth when it is presented to you. Pretty funny, huh?
 
#24
Baja and Glenn, plus many others of our generation here. I'm 57 years young and convinced a lot of these endless naysayers with their constant unproductive negative spew (like so much of dodo brain Sactown) are probably at least a quarter century or more younger than us or simply have never grown up to see, experience the real world.
 

bajaden

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#26
If the article today in the bee is acruate then the Maloofs have been a big part of the problem. I mean really, wanting suite owners to be able to park behind the suites for easy access? What kinda of dream world are they in? It sounds like they want to better Jerry Jones stadium and make it a one of kind.
Look, I don't know what they wanted or didn't want. Remember your just getting one side of the story there. And I know for a fact that there were some incorrect statements in that article. Owners are always going to ask for the moon. That doesn't mean they get them. And that wasn't the reason the Maloofs walked away from that deal. I'm not saying that the Maloofs are pure angels in this matter. Mistakes have been made on both sides. But regardless of what disagreements you might be having over the particulars, you don't blindside one of the participants in a public fourm. Its like walking to the altar to get married and suddenly a different woman shows up.

But that aside, do you think now is the right time to be writing articles critical of the Maloofs? Seriously! If the intent is to get them to stay in sacramento, is that the best way to go about it? I'm not saying anyone has to kiss their a$$. All I'm saying is, I don't think its a good idea to do just the opposite. To my mind, the smartest thing to do, is to say nothing until you sit down with them on tuesday, and find out exactly what they think on the subject. Unless the folks at city hall think that they can anger the Maloofs into staying. I would say thats a whole new concept, and I certainly wish them luck with it.

In some ways this whole thing is amusing. Its like the scout that keeps yelling that the indians are coming, the indians are coming, and no one pays attention. Suddenly the air is full of arrows, and everyone looks surprised. Right now, the Maloofs are saying nothing, and thats a good thing. Because to respond in the current climate would only make things worse. Both sides have old wounds from previous battles. Now is not the time to reopen those wounds. If there ever was a time for both sides to shake hands and negotiate in good faith, its now. And you can't do that with boxing gloves on.
 
#27
Maybe it's the generation that always finds a way to blame someone else for their failings.
Gee, it wasn't Sacramento that couldn't get it's act together, somehow it was the Maloofs fault. If they wanted to leave they could have at ANY time. The city of Sacramento took them for granted and now has the nerve to blame them when nothing gets done. Sacramento will be a laughing stock if this team leaves and I won't argue with anyone who says so.
 
#28
If they wanted to leave they could have at ANY time. The city of Sacramento took them for granted and now has the nerve to blame them when nothing gets done.
I don't know if they took them for granted or took the loan as the means to keep them here which has dragged their feet.
 

bajaden

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#30
Why don't you quit unless you are writing to bolster those of us who agree with you. Those who see the Maloofs as the devil himself will believe that no matter what the facts are. It is happeniong on the national level too. Rationality is dead.

Why not write notes like that to KJ or the Council? It would be more important.
Point well taken!