[Game] Kings at Warriors

[LakersStink]

It's pretty clear whether or not Westfail calls the plays or not, the players aren't listening. Therefore it may not be the coach but the players. The thing is, it's easier to replace a coach that can't get through to the players and find one that can, rather than replace a whole roster, right? Whether or not Westfail is the problem doesn't matter, but he will be fired sooner or later in favor of a coach that is at least consistent in his lineups, gets the players to focus more on conditioning and practicing their FT's, and gets players to lose 10 or 15 pounds (Cousins) so that they can actually elevate/dunk at 6'11 height when they drive into the lane. Kings don't have any discipline as witnessed by Casspi, Thompson, Landry, etc crying when they get calls against them. This falls on the coaching staff. Not even college or high school players act like the Kings do when calls don't go their way. Again, no discipline = bad coaching. That discipline also results in players running around panicked at the end of games when they don't know what to do, obviously a reflection of the coaches not knowing what to do.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Same people who always cop loser attitude of forever blaming the refs for Kings woes are same ones constantly dumping on Westphal. It's not Westphal melting down since he routinely gets Kings in a position to win - it's the stupid turnovers, stupid free throw bricks, and mentally weak youngsters - especially in crunch time.

 

[xrzn]

Making and missing free throws is something every team faces. Let's say they had made one of those free throws, it would've changed how the rest of the game would've been played. F

Free throws did kill the Kings, but had the refs not mistaken them for the 2002 WCF Game 6 4th quarter Lakers, GSW probably would've probably had the lead the whole game; free throws were the reason Kings were in the game.

 

[steelevt]

Same people who always cop loser attitude of forever blaming the refs for Kings woes are same ones constantly dumping on Westphal. It's not Westphal melting down since he routinely gets Kings in a position to win - it's the stupid turnovers, stupid free throw bricks, and mentally weak youngsters - especially in crunch time.

the thing is he doesnt get the credit for this from them. apparently its the players that put them in the position to win and in the end, the coach that causes the meltdown...and i guess makes them miss the FTs

 

[theclash4u5]

Same people who always cop loser attitude of forever blaming the refs for Kings woes are same ones constantly dumping on Westphal. It's not Westphal melting down since he routinely gets Kings in a position to win - it's the stupid turnovers, stupid free throw bricks, and mentally weak youngsters - especially in crunch time.

And yet that happens...every....single....game.

So where's the coaching to correct that? Isn't that what a coach is hired to do? To COACH a team to WIN?

 

[drogba]

sorry, but our pg's blew it.
they let them score 8 points in one minute and lost two positions.
they can only blame them self.
on the other side i love DMC's game. he is smart, he can pass and he has a bright future ahead of him only if he can keep his temper down.

 

[theclash4u5]

lol if we hit free throws guess what happens? heres a hint...we win. the whole rest of your argument is moot. there is no overtime and you cant blame the coach on losing it in OT because we already won. im not saying westphal isnt to blame for some of our losses, but dont let you hate for him blind you. this game was lost because of FTs. end of story

And yet if it wasn't for the poor execution and defense, THOSE FT's wouldn't have even MATTERED down the stretch. We were up by 9 with 3 minutes to go. Realistically, we could have still missed the same amount of FT's and won easily. But we panicked, AGAIN, because this team doesn't know how to handle pressure. THE COACH doesn't know how to teach our players how to HANDLE PRESSURE, and it's been like that ALL SEASON!

 

[rainmaker]

And yet that happens...every....single....game.

So where's the coaching to correct that? Isn't that what a coach is hired to do? To COACH a team to WIN?

You can't coach experience. You only gain expereince by playing over the years.

 

[sdballer]

Same people who always cop loser attitude of forever blaming the refs for Kings woes are same ones constantly dumping on Westphal. It's not Westphal melting down since he routinely gets Kings in a position to win - it's the stupid turnovers, stupid free throw bricks, and mentally weak youngsters - especially in crunch time.

Do the kings lose just because of bad coaching? No. Does that mean Westphal is doing a good job coaching? No.

Yes the kings are young, rebuilding, inconsistent, inexperienced and mentally weak. Which are all in most ways outside westphals control.

They also don't seem to have progressed at all individually from last year, have little to no chemistry on the court, seem lost as to what plays to run or how to rotate defensively, don't always give 100% effort and seem unaware of their roles. These are in westphals control. In fact, they are his job duties. And he's failing at his job. The kings will probably suck this year no matter what. But after years of rebuilding I'd like to have a coach that seems willing and able to coach.

 

[SacTownKid]

Same people who always cop loser attitude of forever blaming the refs for Kings woes are same ones constantly dumping on Westphal. It's not Westphal melting down since he routinely gets Kings in a position to win - it's the stupid turnovers, stupid free throw bricks, and mentally weak youngsters - especially in crunch time.

Don't know where to begin on this one. If you thought that last play to end the 4th was the move of a "good" coach, raise your hand. Anyone? Anyone?

Dudes mediocre. The same dude that continuously throws the ball down low to Thompson and Daly for offense. I'm honestly starting to see why he hasn't coached in 10 years. Maybe the personnel isn't right for him, I don't know, anyone that can't tell he's not the right guy for this job today, tomorrow, or the next day just isn't paying attention.

 

[Kingstime]

Man that one was tough to watch end at some point these dudes gotta hit these fts its beyond pathetic.

Now with that said I will not blame PW but I will ask who the hell seriously decided to go to a soft zone against this team at that crucial point in the game? Score was 99 90 one 3 by Curry and the tide turned. They need to trust their man defense to get stops zones are gonna cut up by elite shooting teams.

 

[mac]

And yet if it wasn't for the poor execution and defense, THOSE FT's wouldn't have even MATTERED down the stretch. We were up by 9 with 3 minutes to go. Realistically, we could have still missed the same amount of FT's and won easily. But we panicked, AGAIN, because this team doesn't know how to handle pressure. THE COACH doesn't know how to teach our players how to HANDLE PRESSURE, and it's been like that ALL SEASON!

So if I fail a subject in school it's because my teacher didn't teach me right? Because the teacher doesn't know how to teach me to pass Mathematics

 

[LakersStink]

Don't know where to begin on this one. If you thought that last play to end the 4th was the move of a "good" coach, raise your hand. Anyone? Anyone?

Dudes mediocre. The same dude that continuously throws the ball down low to Thompson and Daly for offense. I'm honestly starting to see why he hasn't coached in 10 years. Maybe the personnel isn't right for him, I don't know, anyone that can't tell he's not the right guy for this job today, tomorrow, or the next day just isn't paying attention.

Kings got lucky though, Maloofs stole Westfail away from a high school team. He was a valued assistant coach there before we got his talents lol We struck real gold with this guy, and his assistant who is a drunkard Mario Elie. Amazing hirings!

 

[spudfan]

the thing is he doesnt get the credit for this from them. apparently its the players that put them in the position to win and in the end, the coach that causes the meltdown...and i guess makes them miss the FTs

What credit should he be getting? I am hardly a basketball mastermind but I don't see many offensive sets being run out there. I do see outstanding efforts from individuals which sometimes leads to close games and the rare win. But with the exception of a few games this year you don't walk away from the games with a feeling that they played solid team ball. In my mind I attribute team play and offensive sets with the coach and when taking our players into mind, high scoring games the credit goes to the players. Using Boston for an example, Ray Allen has HUGE games sometimes which are highly related to the offensive sets run to get him wide open shots. You don't really see that happen for the Kings which is why I think more of the fallout gets handed to Westphal.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

THE COACH doesn't know how to teach our players how to HANDLE PRESSURE, and it's been like that ALL SEASON!

You could say the same for Adleman and his 55+ win Kings teams. They choked under pressure too. But they were good enough that we gave them a pass on it. When the team is bad, the choking is magnified.

 

[Spike]

And yet if it wasn't for the poor execution and defense, THOSE FT's wouldn't have even MATTERED down the stretch. We were up by 9 with 3 minutes to go. Realistically, we could have still missed the same amount of FT's and won easily. But we panicked, AGAIN, because this team doesn't know how to handle pressure. THE COACH doesn't know how to teach our players how to HANDLE PRESSURE, and it's been like that ALL SEASON!

You can't teach someone how to handle pressure - they have to learn it for themselves. That's where experience helps. OT sucked, but they could have easily sealed this game with one more FT.

 

[sterö]

Why not giving Whiteside some playing time? We´re losing anyway, so let´s give him opportunities to develop...

 

[theclash4u5]

So if I fail a subject in school it's because my teacher didn't teach me right? Because the teacher doesn't know how to teach me to pass Mathematics

So you're saying that the players will never learn, no matter who the coach is?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Kings don't have any discipline as witnessed by Casspi, Thompson, Landry, etc crying when they get calls against them. This falls on the coaching staff.

Lots of players cry over calls. Kobe cries calls all the time. Is he undisciplined?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

You can't coach experience. You only gain expereince by playing over the years.

You CAN coach an offense though. Something we havent had since Mr. Westphal took over.


I'll take it a step further. Has anyone improved at anything since Westphal became coach? Reke is the same guy. Casspi is the same guy, JT is the same guy .. Who is getting better?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

So you're saying that the players will never learn, no matter who the coach is?

Some people do never learn. Not everyone has the same capacity for learning.

 

[theclash4u5]

You could say the same for Adleman and his 55+ win Kings teams. They choked under pressure to. But they were good enough that we gave them a pass on it. When the team is bad, the choking is magnified.

Those Kings choked in the playoffs and on big games, but it NEVER happened every single day. People wouldn't call it out if it didn't happen every SINGLE game like it does now.

No matter how it look at it, it's either;

A) Coaching is not setting the players up to succeed

or

B) The players aren't learning what the coaching staff is trying to teach them

Sooner or later, this "experience" garbage is only going to get you so far. Yes, you learn from mistakes. But not when the same thing happens every single game, and NOTHING positive happens from it. Honestly, who expected this team to win after the Warriors came back down from 99 to 90?

 

[Spike]

Using Boston for an example, Ray Allen has HUGE games sometimes which are highly related to the offensive sets run to get him wide open shots. You don't really see that happen for the Kings which is why I think more of the fallout gets handed to Westphal.

Let's use Boston. Where are the rookies? Are there some players with a little bit of NBA experience there? Rondo was groomed with KG, Pierce, and Allen. Doc was looking pretty mediocre and probably going to get the axe before they went trade crazy and brought in Allen & KG.

Experience matters in the NBA.

 

[theclash4u5]

Some people do never learn. Not everyone has the same capacity for learning.

Then Petrie should be blamed for putting these players on the team? Why aren't you giving more heat to Petrie?

 

[spudfan]

You CAN coach an offense though. Something we havent had since Mr. Westphal took over.


I'll take it a step further. Has anyone improved at anything since Westphal became coach? Reke is the same guy. Casspi is the same guy, JT is the same guy .. Who is getting better?

I think Tyreke is passing better and shooting better. When he shoots 3's now they actually look like they might go in. Casspi is bringing more energy on the defensive end and really working hard going after the rebounds. Donte is moving without the ball a lot better this year, you don't see him jacking up as many wild 3s (even though he isn't playing much). I would guess JT is better on offense and his touch is a bit better, it is hard to see with how his minutes go. He does get more tip-ins which shows me he has improved on his positioning under the hoops. The improvements aren't night and day but even if they were would we even be able to tell? The last few games the offense has been Beno slicing around and shooting up and under jumpers, Reke doing his normal layup deal and a bit of Cousins face up moves. There isn't much room for the other guys to shine the way we are playing.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Those Kings choked in the playoffs and on big games, but it NEVER happened every single day.

Right, it didn't happen as often because they had enough talent to overcome their mental softness on most nights. This current team, doesn't. That's the only real difference, talent level.

Sooner or later, this "experience" garbage is only going to get you so far. Yes, you learn from mistakes. But not when the same thing happens every single game, and NOTHING positive happens from it. Honestly, who expected this team to win after the Warriors came back down from 99 to 90?

I agree there. I've said all along that the lack of experience card is pulled too often with this team. The problem is and has been that they lack talent and mental toughness. You can get away with lacking one or the other but you can't get away with lacking both.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Then Petrie should be blamed for putting these players on the team? Why aren't you giving more heat to Petrie?

Maloofs wouldn't let him spend this year. What's the dude gonna do?

 

[LakersStink]

Lots of players cry over calls. Kobe cries calls all the time. Is he undisciplined?

What's Kobe's record right now? What's his career stats? Reggie Miller said the exact same thing during the game that was nationally televised and Webber agreed with him. Kings players cry too much like they are 5-time champions or something or have the best record in the NBA. They haven't done jack**** and their coach should reinforce that to them everytime they start their BS after a call that doesn't go their way.

 

[spudfan]

Let's use Boston. Where are the rookies? Are there some players with a little bit of NBA experience there? Rondo was groomed with KG, Pierce, and Allen. Doc was looking pretty mediocre and probably going to get the axe before they went trade crazy and brought in Allen & KG.

Experience matters in the NBA.

You are right. They don't have rookies and they have a team that was groomed to play together. I don't see results of an effort to groom the Kings players to play as a team showing up in games. It's almost all individual play going on which is my point. Maybe we just don't have the pieces to make an NBA team work, but I don't buy that. I think we should be playing better than we are or we should at least look better.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

What's Kobe's record right now? What's his career stats? Reggie Miller said the exact same thing during the game that was nationally televised and Webber agreed with him. Kings players cry too much like they are 5-time champions or something or have the best record in the NBA. They haven't done jack**** and their coach should reinforce that to them everytime they start their BS after a call that doesn't go their way.

What the heck does record have to do with it? If you whine, you're a whiner. The notion that you should get a pass for it if you have a winning record is pure hogwash.