Hedo return?

[LPKingsFan]

Posted this in the thread in the Kings News Links forum, but since that forum gets looked over easily, I'll copy and paste here:

I was in favor of taking a look at Hedo when he was a free agent, but he signed a much larger contract than I expected and we've since acquired two very nice small forward prospects. Given that Hedo's point forward skills could portentially be quite useful next to Tyreke, I'd still give him some thought, but at this point it'd probably have to be Nocioni AND Garcia going to Toronto to make it financially viable. Not sure if they'd be willing to make a "flexible contracts" type deal at this point.

 

[ElRey]

I still have my Kings Turkoglu jersey

 

[r3ali5t]

Given that Hedo's point forward skills could portentially be quite useful next to Tyreke, I'd still give him some thought, but at this point it'd probably have to be Nocioni AND Garcia going to Toronto to make it financially viable. Not sure if they'd be willing to make a "flexible contracts" type deal at this point.

If Cousins is gone before our pick and we end up drafting Wes Johnson (meaning we believe he can and will play the 2 for us) then I'd definitely look at a deal involving Hedo for Nocioni & Garcia. He's imo a far better player than both and has the skills that would fit alongside Tyreke.

With that trade our wings would be Wes, Casspi, Greene, & Hedo. That would be a great combination of defense (Wes & Greene), shooting (Wes, Casspi & Greene), ball handling & passing (Hedo). Also I see a lot of people saying that Hedo is too old for our team but I see it as a plus. He brings a ton of veteran experience that could really help our young team grow (think Vlade). Plus his game is skill based and has never been based on athleticism, so as long as we use him the right way, he can still be really useful.

The way I see it our starting 5 would then be:
PG - Evans
SG - Johnson
SF - Greene or Hedo
PF - Landry or Hedo (I believe he could play some PF)
C - Thompson

Our team would still have some glaring holes (interior D) but we would be much better than last years team and this squad would also have one of the better benches in the league. If Greene and Landry start at the sf and pf spots, this would allow Hedo to come of the bench to be our sixth man of the year candidate. I could see Hedo playing big minutes backing up both Greene and Landry. Not to mention we would also have Casspi, Beno, Hawes, Brockman & our high 2nd round pick on the bench as well.

It's just an idea and a whole lot can change within these next few weeks but it is the TDOS so it doesn't hurt to throw my 2 cents out there.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I would trade Noc and Garcia for Hedo in a heartbeat. Don't know that the raptors would...

 

[Fear the Putin]

Toronto sends:
Turkoglu
Belinelli
#13 pick

Sacramento sends:
Nocioni
Garcia
#33


I'd do this.

 

[Dreadnought]

How many years does Garcia have left on his contract? I too, would definitely consider trading Noc, Garcia, and Beno for Hedo,

 

[Fear the Putin]

How many years does Garcia have left on his contract? I too, would definitely consider trading Noc, Garcia, and Beno for Hedo,

Noc signed through 2011-2012.
Beno signed through 2011-2012 with 2013 being a player option he would most certainly activate.

Garcia signed through 2012-2013 with 2014 being team option.


Turkoglu in through 2012-2013 with 2014 a player option.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Toronto sends:
Turkoglu
Belinelli
#13 pick

Sacramento sends:
Nocioni
Garcia
#33


I'd do this.

i'd do that too. cisco is getting paid bank like 6-7mill per year. i'm a fan of belinelli also where does this trade take us though? our last draft reeled in tougher players. brockman, casspi, reke, mandry.

 

[LPKingsFan]

With that trade our wings would be Wes, Casspi, Greene, & Hedo. That would be a great combination of defense (Wes & Greene), shooting (Wes, Casspi & Greene), ball handling & passing (Hedo).

Problem with that is, they're all natural 3s. We saw a little of Casspi and Greene at the 2, but neither really thrived there, and Johnson is really a ?? at this point.

 

[Fear the Putin]

i'd do that too. cisco is getting paid bank like 6-7mill per year. i'm a fan of belinelli also where does this trade take us though? our last draft reeled in tougher players. brockman, casspi, reke, mandry.

well we simply move up in the draft with this trade by getting the #13 where we can add a shotblocking big in addition to hopefully getting cousins.

Plus, we get a shooter that can play along tyreke, which is how he is best complemented.

 

[r3ali5t]

Problem with that is, they're all natural 3s. We saw a little of Casspi and Greene at the 2, but neither really thrived there, and Johnson is really a ?? at this point.

Your right and I agree, none of them would be natural 2s, but do we really need one with Tyreke as our PG? I think a way around this problem would be to start Hedo at the 3 with Wes as our 2. On offense, Tyreke and Hedo would be our main ball handlers and play-makers, but on defense Reke and Wes would guard the 1's & 2's.

 

[Prince_XY]

I know Hedo WAS good, but he had so far shown he turned into that passive defender.

We can't afford to have another softie big in this team.

Do you guys want softness to be the culture of our BIGS?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

well we simply move up in the draft with this trade by getting the #13 where we can add a shotblocking big in addition to hopefully getting cousins.

Plus, we get a shooter that can play along tyreke, which is how he is best complemented.

belinelli has some ball handling and passing skills which would compliment reke.

 

[NoBonus]

Here are some Hedo deals that would work financially (draft picks would be needed in some cases to balance them... these are just financial possibilities.)

Hedo + Weems
for
Noc + Hawes
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547027

Hedo + Weems
for
Noc + Donte + Casspi
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547028

Hedo + DeRozan or Bellineli
for
Noc + Hawes + Omri
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547029

Hedo + DeRozan or Bellineli
for
Noc + Hawes + Donte
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547032
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547043

Hedo + Banks
for
Noc + Garcia
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547045

Hedo + Reggie Evans
for
Noc + Garcia
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547046

Hedo + Banks + Belinelli (Interchangable with DeRozan)
for
Noc + Garcia + Omri (Interchangable with Donte)
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547047

Just some ideas... there are really a lot of potential combinations and a lot of these would depend on whom the Kings draft... if they draft a C, moving Spencer is a possibility, otherwise, he is needed on the roster.

 

[swisshh]

I like Hedo if:

1.Toronto is willing to overpay to get rid of him.

2. Secondary part with the mind to get a bigger acquisition. Reke + Legit #2 guy + Hedo = playoff business.

Just Hedo alone is questionable.

 

[NoBonus]

I think the Hedo trade really only makes sense if the Kings do not select a SF in the draft... if they pick up a SF, then this will just be a more expensive Nocioni coming off the bench. If they pick up a C (please, please, please, please) then Hedo makes more sense, especially if you can get Toronto to get a pretty low return for him or get a second player from Toronto to contribute (DeRozan, Belinelli, etc)

 

[NoBonus]

I know Hedo WAS good, but he had so far shown he turned into that passive defender.

We can't afford to have another softie big in this team.

Do you guys want softness to be the culture of our BIGS?

No there is an angle I never considered. This team is being built to play smash mouth hoops, not Nellie-ball. How would Hedo fit in with that? Seems like Nocioni would be a better fit from that perspective than Hedo... Maybe put Hedo at the 2 and only give him PT if he plays solid D.

 

[KingsCitizen]

No there is an angle I never considered. This team is being built to play smash mouth hoops, not Nellie-ball. How would Hedo fit in with that? Seems like Nocioni would be a better fit from that perspective than Hedo... Maybe put Hedo at the 2 and only give him PT if he plays solid D.

Hedo at the 2 is a laughable topic and letting him play only if he plays solid D makes it worse. He is too slow at the 2 and he will never be a good defensive player and with the money that he already secured such motivation is futile. The guy can easily become K9 part deux. Sitting on the bench and letting the money get fat in the bank.

If we get Hedo make sure he plays a lot of minutes so he will be worth his money. You don't pay bench players 10M.

The best possible scenario I could think of getting Hedo here is if he comes with Chrish Bosh in a sign and trade.

Bosh/Hedo for Nocioni/Garcia/Udrih/Landry

This works if Bosh agrees for a sign and trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5547604

Toronto will become the all-international(all-star) team and Kings will become immediate contenders. Esp. if we draft Cousins:

C - Hawes/Cousins
PF- Bosh/Thompson/Brockman
SF- Hedo/Greene/Casspi
SG- (get a free agent or draft one)
PG- Tyreke/ (draft or FA)

 

[Sac.1989]

Now that is a hell of a trade, still not sold on hedo and his point forward characteristics and how that fits in with tyreke

 

[SacKings7]

Signed & traded players have to be traded alone, other players on the team cannot be traded with them. 2 separate deals can be made however, and us being under the cap would make it a lot easier to do