The Kings have been scoring an anemic 91.9 PPG since Kevin returned. The rest of the season the Kings were scoring upwards of 96.8 PPG on the road. Even in the streak of lost games before Kevin returned, they were still scoring. This is a new thing and the only variable that has changed is the presence of KMart on the floor.
Grades v. Jazz 01/29/10
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thats right, it was kevin martin blocking and altering JT and hawes shots. all those wide open shots udoka and shots beno missed, it was kevin using telekinesis. martin has nothing to do with JT's slump, and it's not like hes throwing up 30 shots a game or pulling a corey maggette (3-22). when he plays poorly its his fault, when he plays well its still his fault.
Westphal's probable thinking: Petrie gave me a terrible front court personnel. By not playing Donte, maybe I can magnify this glaring problem on Petrie's face. Maybe it will pressure Petrie to move his lazy butt and get that needed defensive BIG.
Hawes' case is different. He is so soft and wussy as a result of his phobia to bang with the opponent's bigs, he needs time to overcome his fears by watching at the bench. Westphal probably also thinks Hawes is already a big bust not worth getting significant minutes in every game. He just won't improve anymore.
Petrie doesn't care about solving that glaring problem of lacking a defensive BIG, eversince. And so does Westphal now. I think if we change our GM, maybe the character of the whole team might change faster.
Hawes' case is different. He is so soft and wussy as a result of his phobia to bang with the opponent's bigs, he needs time to overcome his fears by watching at the bench. Westphal probably also thinks Hawes is already a big bust not worth getting significant minutes in every game. He just won't improve anymore.
Petrie doesn't care about solving that glaring problem of lacking a defensive BIG, eversince. And so does Westphal now. I think if we change our GM, maybe the character of the whole team might change faster.
Dang..... This team is just atrocious. This two ball dominant SG lineup is just killing us. I don't care how well we played tonight we cannot have two guys constantly slowing the game down like that driving to the rim..
Been saying this since we drafted Evans but I think it's probably close to the time we get one of them out of here. Which will probably be Martin.
Been saying this since we drafted Evans but I think it's probably close to the time we get one of them out of here.
Which will probably be Martin.
Its hard, we really lack big men and martin and reke can potentially freeze out our other 3 players when playing together. A bit more time wouldnt hurt, nor would a sizeable trade this deadline bringing in a solid big man to see if it can actually work.
I very much doubt GP will blow up our backcourt until we have forwards who can play and its clear that that is what is holding us down.
I very much doubt GP will blow up our backcourt until we have forwards who can play and its clear that that is what is holding us down.
You did right to account for shots on which guys were fouled - in fact if you just use the 0.44*FTA estimate, it comes up to 22 shots for Kevin and 21 shots for Evans, for a total of 43. But you forgot to do the same thing for FGA for the whole team. Taking into account fouled shots, the whole team took 87 shots, so there were 44, not 36 for the rest of the team. ...Actually, the estimate isn't necessary, the box score shows 44 FGA, plus JT's one trip to the line makes 45.
The interesting thing is, if you look at the boxscore for the first game in Utah, it turns out that our top two scorers, and our top two FGA guys were also the backcourt tandem...in this case Evans and Udrih. For comparison:
Evans + Udrih, win: 75 minutes, 47% of team shots, 48% FG%, 3-6 3PT, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 TOs
Evans + Martin, loss: 75 minutes, 49% of team shots, 50% FG%, 4-8 3PT, 9 assists, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, 7 TOs
Really, the backcourt tandems did just about the same thing in the two games. The only thing that really stands out poorly for the Martin/Evans pairing was the TOs this game, and that was at least partially made up for by the steals.
But what about the rest of the team?
Rest of team, win: 53% of team shots, 50% FG% (44% 2PT%), 8-13 3PT, 8 assists, 32 rebounds, 6 steals, 8 TOs
Rest of team, loss: 51% of team shots, 40% FG% (55% 2PT%), 1-13 3PT, 9 assists, 29 rebounds, 5 steals, 9 TOs
You know what, it looks like the rest of the team did pretty much exactly the same thing in both games, except in the loss they shot 1-13 from three, and in the win they shot 8-13 from three.
The issue is not that the rest of the team can't function when Evans/Martin is the backcourt and can function when Evans/Udrih is the backcourt. They performed almost exactly the same except for missing their wide-open threes (in fact, tonight they hit their two-pointers at a HIGHER rate). I just don't see how the rest of the team missing wide-open threes can be blamed on some sort of mysterious Evans/Martin bad juju.
The interesting thing is, if you look at the boxscore for the first game in Utah, it turns out that our top two scorers, and our top two FGA guys were also the backcourt tandem...in this case Evans and Udrih. For comparison:
Evans + Udrih, win: 75 minutes, 47% of team shots, 48% FG%, 3-6 3PT, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 TOs
Evans + Martin, loss: 75 minutes, 49% of team shots, 50% FG%, 4-8 3PT, 9 assists, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, 7 TOs
Really, the backcourt tandems did just about the same thing in the two games. The only thing that really stands out poorly for the Martin/Evans pairing was the TOs this game, and that was at least partially made up for by the steals.
But what about the rest of the team?
Rest of team, win: 53% of team shots, 50% FG% (44% 2PT%), 8-13 3PT, 8 assists, 32 rebounds, 6 steals, 8 TOs
Rest of team, loss: 51% of team shots, 40% FG% (55% 2PT%), 1-13 3PT, 9 assists, 29 rebounds, 5 steals, 9 TOs
You know what, it looks like the rest of the team did pretty much exactly the same thing in both games, except in the loss they shot 1-13 from three, and in the win they shot 8-13 from three.
The issue is not that the rest of the team can't function when Evans/Martin is the backcourt and can function when Evans/Udrih is the backcourt. They performed almost exactly the same except for missing their wide-open threes (in fact, tonight they hit their two-pointers at a HIGHER rate). I just don't see how the rest of the team missing wide-open threes can be blamed on some sort of mysterious Evans/Martin bad juju.
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That's interesting about 'freezing' the other players into a slow game, that seems to be the case. That would explain why Casspi has been playing so crummy lately. It doesn't seem like he'll score 20 points again anytime soon, with the halfcourt offense so slow, and individualized play with Evans and Martin picking apart the defense with the occasional kickout.
Casspi is sure fun to watch with the faster style of offense that we saw earlier in the season. I hope that we can get back to the exciting and faster paced offense.
Casspi is sure fun to watch with the faster style of offense that we saw earlier in the season. I hope that we can get back to the exciting and faster paced offense.
On the other hand, in agreement with you, if we had a legit big man like Al Jefferson + Martin+ Evans, we would have won that game. But, that's not going to happen.
Interesting game, because Martin + Evans broke out for offense, but not much enthusiasm for it, and in fact we still lost.
Interesting about the low 3 pt %. I wish that Nocioni and Udoka would stop hucking up those threes. Neither of them are good three point shooters. They should go on the bench more often so Donte could play more minutes. I wouldn't mind if he replaced all of their 3 point shooting. At least he would be developing. Heck, he might even hit more of the shots.
Interesting game, because Martin + Evans broke out for offense, but not much enthusiasm for it, and in fact we still lost.
Interesting about the low 3 pt %. I wish that Nocioni and Udoka would stop hucking up those threes. Neither of them are good three point shooters. They should go on the bench more often so Donte could play more minutes. I wouldn't mind if he replaced all of their 3 point shooting. At least he would be developing. Heck, he might even hit more of the shots.
Seems like though when both Martin and Evans are in there others aren't involved so they pretty much don't involve themselves with the rest of the game. Not necessarily out of spite but maybe they just don't hit a stride which carries over to the rest of their game. When Martin tried to take less shots, and get others involved it got a LOT worse because he was out of his comfort zone, and it really looked like he was playing that way..
It's just not going to work fellas, and fellettes. Martin and Evans are too ball dominant to work together, which leaves the rest of the team just kicking it which carries over to their defensive play which carries over to their attitude, which carries over into the team sucking with two guards posting more than 20ppg and the fans asking what happened to our frontcourt.
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It's just not going to work fellas, and fellettes. Martin and Evans are too ball dominant to work together, which leaves the rest of the team just kicking it which carries over to their defensive play which carries over to their attitude, which carries over into the team sucking with two guards posting more than 20ppg and the fans asking what happened to our frontcourt.
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Seems like though when both Martin and Evans are in there others aren't involved so they pretty much don't involve themselves with the rest of the game. Not necessarily out of spite but maybe they just don't hit a stride which carries over to the rest of their game. When Martin tried to take less shots, and get others involved it got a LOT worse because he was out of his comfort zone, and it really looked like he was playing that way..
It's just not going to work fellas, and fellettes. Martin and Evans are too ball dominant to work together, which leaves the rest of the team just kicking it which carries over to their defensive play which carries over to their attitude, which carries over into the team sucking with two guards posting more than 20ppg and the fans asking what happened to our frontcourt.
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It's just not going to work fellas, and fellettes. Martin and Evans are too ball dominant to work together, which leaves the rest of the team just kicking it which carries over to their defensive play which carries over to their attitude, which carries over into the team sucking with two guards posting more than 20ppg and the fans asking what happened to our frontcourt.
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See capt factorial's statistical breakdown disproving this theory...
I was one of the people thinking Evans and Martin can't play together. But it's kind of like Pierce and Allen, that if they find out how to play together they'll be really good. Or Scottie and Michael(not that they're THAT good). Or Zeke/Dumars. Or when Davis/JRich took the warriors past the Mavs. Or Chauncey and Rip. It's been done before, from the PG/SG position or the SG/SF positions, your 2 stars handle the ball a lot. Kevin and Tyreke, if they play as well as they did tonight, we'll be in the majority of the games. The problem is when your frontcourt doesn't play any D and rebound, you don't win. Tonight, JT and Spencer didn't do that. The best big man was maybe Sean freaking May the last 2 games. And it's not because guys aren't getting shots. You got Thompson getting outhustled, you got Spencer getting pushed around, JT plays horrible defense and his technique(IE 2 hands in the back vs forearm and hand which you're allowed to do, staying too upright, not boxing out) etc. We got outrebounded and they had more blocks. Pretty much their frontcourt just beat up on ours.
It's not like Kevin or Reke got lit up. None of their guys played particularly well. Our frontcourt however, allowed their opposing match ups to combine for over 60 POINTS. Look at the Denver Nuggets. Their 2 main guys, Billups and Melo, take the majority of the shots. Neither Kenyon Martin or Nene score that much. But they play D anyway. They capitalize when they get shots, they throw it down instead of letting it get blocked. And they sure as hell don't let Paul freaking Millsap drop 34 on them.
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westphal is histeric
i don't get it, he is insaine.
what is he trying to do?
he punishes the players like Haws and Green today, before that it was Nocioni and Casspi, it takes out all their confidence and hurts the team in the long run. now only two guys know that no matter what they do they will get there minutes, the others are afraid to make mistakes or throw the ball.
at the start of the month we lost a few games in a raw, but they were in over time to the Cavs and the Lakers, the only one who got panic from this was PW who started to make weird changes, to banch any one who made a mistake except Reke and K Mart, and look at this numbers:
it was the 8 out of the last 9 games we didn't pass the 100 point mark!
we were 5th in the league' before that!
JT in dec. scored 16.6 a game with 52%!
now 8.9 with 35.6
Beno 13.8 48.8%
now 10 with 43.5% (last 10 8.9 41.6%)
Donte 9.5 with 42%
now 5.2 with 34.5%
Casspi 14.1 with 47.6%
now 12.1 with 44.7% (in the last 10 9.6 points 43.8%)
you don't have to be Einstein to understand that something is wrong and that except TE no one else has confidence in this team.
or lets say they stoped playing like a team, and it is PW responsibility to put them back on track (and the fact that Tayrik and K Mart are taking half of the shots only shows you how bad is the team is playing right now).
when JT Haws, Udrich and Casspi were more involved in the offence we were almost 50-50.
i don't get it, he is insaine.
what is he trying to do?
he punishes the players like Haws and Green today, before that it was Nocioni and Casspi, it takes out all their confidence and hurts the team in the long run. now only two guys know that no matter what they do they will get there minutes, the others are afraid to make mistakes or throw the ball.
at the start of the month we lost a few games in a raw, but they were in over time to the Cavs and the Lakers, the only one who got panic from this was PW who started to make weird changes, to banch any one who made a mistake except Reke and K Mart, and look at this numbers:
it was the 8 out of the last 9 games we didn't pass the 100 point mark!
we were 5th in the league' before that!
JT in dec. scored 16.6 a game with 52%!
now 8.9 with 35.6
Beno 13.8 48.8%
now 10 with 43.5% (last 10 8.9 41.6%)
Donte 9.5 with 42%
now 5.2 with 34.5%
Casspi 14.1 with 47.6%
now 12.1 with 44.7% (in the last 10 9.6 points 43.8%)
you don't have to be Einstein to understand that something is wrong and that except TE no one else has confidence in this team.
or lets say they stoped playing like a team, and it is PW responsibility to put them back on track (and the fact that Tayrik and K Mart are taking half of the shots only shows you how bad is the team is playing right now).
when JT Haws, Udrich and Casspi were more involved in the offence we were almost 50-50.
Evans + Kmart is not problem. You are correct. Buy they certainly are not the answer either. Having Kmart back in the line-up has not made us one bit better.
I think everyone on this board may agree that the problem is our front court. The only way to improve our front court is to give something up somewhere else.
If you have a good way to nab a good big man without giving-up Kmart I am all ears.
I think everyone on this board may agree that the problem is our front court. The only way to improve our front court is to give something up somewhere else.
If you have a good way to nab a good big man without giving-up Kmart I am all ears.
i dont get it... you guys wanted a proven coach a coach with experience and now that we have him some of us are blaming and questioning his decisions...its easy to blame the coach. its never going to change players wins games coaches loses games. we dont exactly know whats going on outside the court. who practices well and stuff.
westphal is working with what was given him... were not going anywhere this season you know that, i know that he knows that. the best he can do is try a few lineups experiment on the fly to see what works and who plays best with who. thats how you build on court chemistry. team chemistry and on court chemistry are two different things, you can be buddy buddies outside or on the bench but cant co exist on the floor together. if his experiments work and we get a win still then its a win win for him...if he didnt play greene that much maybe he thinks he greene needs to "prove" to coach that he deserves more time. potential and effort are different things too
well im just saying that we already have a proven coach. what more can you want? we cant trade paul for adelman. who are you willing to get outthere? recall natt for another top pick? avery and have his helium voice annoy the hell out of our players? (well that might work if he keeps saying rebound maybe the they will rebound just for the sake of not hearing him)
lets just enjoy basketball right now... the winning and glory days will come
westphal is working with what was given him... were not going anywhere this season you know that, i know that he knows that. the best he can do is try a few lineups experiment on the fly to see what works and who plays best with who. thats how you build on court chemistry. team chemistry and on court chemistry are two different things, you can be buddy buddies outside or on the bench but cant co exist on the floor together. if his experiments work and we get a win still then its a win win for him...if he didnt play greene that much maybe he thinks he greene needs to "prove" to coach that he deserves more time. potential and effort are different things too
well im just saying that we already have a proven coach. what more can you want? we cant trade paul for adelman. who are you willing to get outthere? recall natt for another top pick? avery and have his helium voice annoy the hell out of our players? (well that might work if he keeps saying rebound maybe the they will rebound just for the sake of not hearing him
)lets just enjoy basketball right now... the winning and glory days will come
I don't think Hawes deserves much blame today, he was playing fairly well but just didn't get the minutes. He was rebounding and not that much of a liability on defense. Our biggest problem was Ime missing all his 3s and JT sucking. Really if we had a few more consistent 3 point shooters instead of Ime and Noc (Casspi needs to get his shot back) I think we'd have won quite few more games. Not just because of the additional 3 points but momentum wise I think making open 3s would have helped a lot
it's true plus
you need to move the ball more, with all the respect to Tayrik and there is a lot of it, he is still one dimentional, he can't shoot from 3 and his jump shot is midiocare (but he penatrate like an all star). it reminds me Lebron when he first got to this league, and Tayrik i am sure will be better, because he can shoot.
mean while he should move the ball more, beacause in todays game, most of the time the ball didn't touch more then 2 or 3 man at most.
like i said a few posts before, the numbers of all the rest of the team is about 25% down.
don't get excited that todat they combined 58, you have to get excited that a game before, Beno and Haws were involved in the game, and only like that we can win.
i post it again:
"JT in dec. scored 16.6 a game with 52%!
now 8.9 with 35.6
Beno 13.8 48.8%
now 10 with 43.5% (last 10 8.9 41.6%)
Donte 9.5 with 42%
now 5.2 with 34.5%
Casspi 14.1 with 47.6%
now 12.1 with 44.7% (in the last 10 9.6 points 43.8%)"
you need to move the ball more, with all the respect to Tayrik and there is a lot of it, he is still one dimentional, he can't shoot from 3 and his jump shot is midiocare (but he penatrate like an all star). it reminds me Lebron when he first got to this league, and Tayrik i am sure will be better, because he can shoot.
mean while he should move the ball more, beacause in todays game, most of the time the ball didn't touch more then 2 or 3 man at most.
like i said a few posts before, the numbers of all the rest of the team is about 25% down.
don't get excited that todat they combined 58, you have to get excited that a game before, Beno and Haws were involved in the game, and only like that we can win.
i post it again:
"JT in dec. scored 16.6 a game with 52%!
now 8.9 with 35.6
Beno 13.8 48.8%
now 10 with 43.5% (last 10 8.9 41.6%)
Donte 9.5 with 42%
now 5.2 with 34.5%
Casspi 14.1 with 47.6%
now 12.1 with 44.7% (in the last 10 9.6 points 43.8%)"
Agreed, we all know tyreke has to share the ball more. The problem really is a lack of experience of doing that in his entire career, throughout high school and college all he ever did was drive in to score. This season he's getting accustomed to driving and kicking the ball out, and that's why I said we need more consistent outside shooters. In future seasons if we choose to keep him at PG then his focus other than improving his shooting will be making good passes inside/moving the ball around and not just driving and kicking. It's all a process and I think we sometimes forget how young Tyreke is and we kinda expect a lot of him. It is not wrong to note that he has flaws, but it is not reasonable to expect him to correct all of them in his rookie season. Today the backcourt worked because Kevin was able to hit his open 3s.
Casspi's percentages are down probably as a result of a shooting slump/loss of confidence, because really the shots he's getting are the same if not even more open than the shots he was getting when he was putting up close to 20ppg. Beno is rarely the recipient of passes from tyreke, most of his shots are unassisted other than the occasional backdoor pass from Hawes. JT... well let's just say right now I'd take Sean May over JT. At least May can shoot
Casspi's percentages are down probably as a result of a shooting slump/loss of confidence, because really the shots he's getting are the same if not even more open than the shots he was getting when he was putting up close to 20ppg. Beno is rarely the recipient of passes from tyreke, most of his shots are unassisted other than the occasional backdoor pass from Hawes. JT... well let's just say right now I'd take Sean May over JT. At least May can shoot
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If the Kings win, then nothing changes. If they lose, they get a high draft pick and a chance to complete the rebuild. I'm not hoping for them to lose, but it's not hurting ANYTHING when they do. And then there are some Kings fans who want to jump off a cliff over a team that loses a game but wasn't going anywhere in the first place.
Millsap crushed us.
In order to win this game we needed a big man to defend him. I think we can all agree on that.
Both Kevin and Tyreke played well, and I know that we had a chance at the end of the game to pull it out. With that said, the offense still looked 'off'. I'm very glad that Kevin had a good game, and I want him to continue to have good games. But if the opportunity comes along to get a good big man for Kevin, I think you have to do it.
With League Pass I had to listen to the Jazz announcers. When Donte didn't get any playing time after his 4.5 minute start I actually thought that he must have gotten hurt. So I was a bit surprised when I got online after the game to see that wasn't the case.
I remember Donte making a nice drive but then taking a horrible shot, but beyond that, I couldn't remember anything else that stood out which would have caused Westphal to not bring him back. So I decided to rewatch all 4.5 minutes to see if anything stood out to me.
1.) On the Jazz' second offensive posession, AK cut base-line, and Donte went over the Okur screen. AK made a nice cut and a good pass was delivered to him for the slam.
2.) Donte then came down and made a very nice drive to the hoop, but he then put up a horrible shot. He should have done something smarter with the ball. (JT was open, and Donte should have passed it for JT to take the open 12 footer)
3.) After he missed that shot the Jazz ran it fast up the court, and it doesn't look as if Donte even made it beyond half-court before the Jazz had put it in the bucket. ( I have a problem with that. It looks as if Donte got tangled up with Hawes on his miss, but he should have still hustled down the court.)
4.) There were then some TO's by the Kings as well as missed shots. The Jazz scored some points, but Donte wasn't involved in them. He was then pulled.
He definately had a very poor opening 2 minutes or so and then wasn't involved much after that.
Now I will say that one of the things he was doing the entire time was cheating a bit off of AK when Millsap got the ball in the post so he could possibly challenge the shot with some weak-side help.
The only points Millsap had while Donte was in the game was that fast-break where Donte didn't get back.
I don't know if it would have helped at all, but I would have liked to have seen Donte given another chance to see if he could defensively disrupt the Jazz.
In order to win this game we needed a big man to defend him. I think we can all agree on that.
Both Kevin and Tyreke played well, and I know that we had a chance at the end of the game to pull it out. With that said, the offense still looked 'off'. I'm very glad that Kevin had a good game, and I want him to continue to have good games. But if the opportunity comes along to get a good big man for Kevin, I think you have to do it.
With League Pass I had to listen to the Jazz announcers. When Donte didn't get any playing time after his 4.5 minute start I actually thought that he must have gotten hurt. So I was a bit surprised when I got online after the game to see that wasn't the case.
I remember Donte making a nice drive but then taking a horrible shot, but beyond that, I couldn't remember anything else that stood out which would have caused Westphal to not bring him back. So I decided to rewatch all 4.5 minutes to see if anything stood out to me.
1.) On the Jazz' second offensive posession, AK cut base-line, and Donte went over the Okur screen. AK made a nice cut and a good pass was delivered to him for the slam.
2.) Donte then came down and made a very nice drive to the hoop, but he then put up a horrible shot. He should have done something smarter with the ball. (JT was open, and Donte should have passed it for JT to take the open 12 footer)
3.) After he missed that shot the Jazz ran it fast up the court, and it doesn't look as if Donte even made it beyond half-court before the Jazz had put it in the bucket. ( I have a problem with that. It looks as if Donte got tangled up with Hawes on his miss, but he should have still hustled down the court.)
4.) There were then some TO's by the Kings as well as missed shots. The Jazz scored some points, but Donte wasn't involved in them. He was then pulled.
He definately had a very poor opening 2 minutes or so and then wasn't involved much after that.
Now I will say that one of the things he was doing the entire time was cheating a bit off of AK when Millsap got the ball in the post so he could possibly challenge the shot with some weak-side help.
The only points Millsap had while Donte was in the game was that fast-break where Donte didn't get back.
I don't know if it would have helped at all, but I would have liked to have seen Donte given another chance to see if he could defensively disrupt the Jazz.
i dont get it... you guys wanted a proven coach a coach with experience and now that we have him some of us are blaming and questioning his decisions...its easy to blame the coach. its never going to change players wins games coaches loses games. we dont exactly know whats going on outside the court. who practices well and stuff.
westphal is working with what was given him... were not going anywhere this season you know that, i know that he knows that. the best he can do is try a few lineups experiment on the fly to see what works and who plays best with who. thats how you build on court chemistry. team chemistry and on court chemistry are two different things, you can be buddy buddies outside or on the bench but cant co exist on the floor together. if his experiments work and we get a win still then its a win win for him...if he didnt play greene that much maybe he thinks he greene needs to "prove" to coach that he deserves more time. potential and effort are different things too
well im just saying that we already have a proven coach. what more can you want? we cant trade paul for adelman. who are you willing to get outthere? recall natt for another top pick? avery and have his helium voice annoy the hell out of our players? (well that might work if he keeps saying rebound maybe the they will rebound just for the sake of not hearing him)
lets just enjoy basketball right now... the winning and glory days will come
westphal is working with what was given him... were not going anywhere this season you know that, i know that he knows that. the best he can do is try a few lineups experiment on the fly to see what works and who plays best with who. thats how you build on court chemistry. team chemistry and on court chemistry are two different things, you can be buddy buddies outside or on the bench but cant co exist on the floor together. if his experiments work and we get a win still then its a win win for him...if he didnt play greene that much maybe he thinks he greene needs to "prove" to coach that he deserves more time. potential and effort are different things too
well im just saying that we already have a proven coach. what more can you want? we cant trade paul for adelman. who are you willing to get outthere? recall natt for another top pick? avery and have his helium voice annoy the hell out of our players? (well that might work if he keeps saying rebound maybe the they will rebound just for the sake of not hearing him
)lets just enjoy basketball right now... the winning and glory days will come
Somehow in all this I don't think the coaching staff and Petrie are the enemy. Go Kings. And, with all the negative and suffering that goes on in these annals, I still enjoy reading it, at least 82% of it.
Let me add two other wrinkles to the its not Kevin's fault theory.
1. It has appeared to me that the King's fortunes have actually been largely determined by the play of Mr. Inconsistent Beno Udrih. For instance 0-5 in 17 minutes last night.
Super Beno Vs. Normal Beno
Situation G FG Pct 3Pct
November 12 54.9 43.2
December 15 48.8 42.6
January 14 43.6 25.0
2. Record with Nocioni Starting 12-9. Record without him starting 4-20.
With Nocioni starts he rebounds better, passes better and basically does not treat every minute as garbage time. I think Donte and Omri also play better when they were not as tense just waiting to be yanked out. But now the SF position is just a mess. I thought once Westphal abandoned the Desmond Mason experiment and started the guy we are going to have the next three years he was finally getting it. If we don't start Nocioni and either get our moneys worth or up his trade value he is going to be a millstone around the neck of this franchise.
1. It has appeared to me that the King's fortunes have actually been largely determined by the play of Mr. Inconsistent Beno Udrih. For instance 0-5 in 17 minutes last night.
Super Beno Vs. Normal Beno
Situation G FG Pct 3Pct
November 12 54.9 43.2
December 15 48.8 42.6
January 14 43.6 25.0
2. Record with Nocioni Starting 12-9. Record without him starting 4-20.
With Nocioni starts he rebounds better, passes better and basically does not treat every minute as garbage time. I think Donte and Omri also play better when they were not as tense just waiting to be yanked out. But now the SF position is just a mess. I thought once Westphal abandoned the Desmond Mason experiment and started the guy we are going to have the next three years he was finally getting it. If we don't start Nocioni and either get our moneys worth or up his trade value he is going to be a millstone around the neck of this franchise.
Mr. Inconsistent's inconsistency is directly tied to Kevin's return. Not only was his role dramatically reduced, but he was clearly back to last year's passive give it to Kevin mode after Kevin's return. Teh early part of January his numbers were still staying at the same level. The last 10 games (Kevin has been back for 9) he's averaging 8.9pts on .416 shooting.
There is no difference here between Kobe syndrome, or Iverson syndrome, and what we have now. Kevin is neither Kobe or Iverson, but Kevin and Reke together are. Same way Kobe scoring 35 a night was not the best thing for his team, same way Iverson scoring 31 a night meant there was never room for a wingman, Kevin and Reke playing together creates a huge stress on minutes and shots and as guards eliminates ball movement. Everyone else is squeezed.
Couldn't we also say Kevin's return had an impact on these players as well to cause a drop in points, minutes, play, whatever?
I can't believe this season turned into last season. With the way the Kings started off, they could've been flirting with .500 and had one of the most amazing turnarounds in NBA history.
I blame Hawes.
I can't believe this season turned into last season. With the way the Kings started off, they could've been flirting with .500 and had one of the most amazing turnarounds in NBA history.
I blame Hawes.