Nocioni heading home? (Chicago)

[Capt. Factorial]

I read this but its confusing, I thought Chicago wanted to make a run at a max free agent this summer, wouldn't giving up expirings for Noc take away that option?

If Hinrich were included, no. I think the most common assumption in this thread is KT (expiring) + Noc for Thomas (expiring) + Hinrich. That would net Chicago $2.15M for next year, assuming they don't plan to make the minimum qualifying offer to Thomas anyhow. If they make the MQO, Thomas would be a huge cap drain.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

why anybody suggesting KT in the deal for some heiney? KT's expiring is worth much more. the original Noc for TT is a great deal. we get out from Noc's contract and we can see what TT can do. if he's decent we have his bird rights.

First, Noc for TT straight up doesn't work under the cap. They'd have to throw in another player (perhaps Pargo) to make it work. Second, the Bulls definitely want to spend money this summer, and Noc would hurt their ability to do that. I can't conceive of them bringing back Noc without dumping Hinrich somehow in the process, to keep their FA hopes alive.

 

[sidney]

I don't see any variation of this happening. We don't want Hinrich due to his age, salary, years left, and the fact that he duplicates Beno's role. Chicago wants cap space so they wouldn't trade for Nocioni and give up an expiring. I'm just not seeing us as good trading partners unless they have decided they don't need cap space this summer.

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

If we added Heinrich, we would ease a logjam at small forward just to create a new logjam at point...and Heinrich is expensive. Hopefully we wouldn't do that.

So some of the other possible trades sound good, such as Thomas and an expiring.

 

[NME]

Thomas and Pargo would be nice and clean. Any scenario where we're clear of Noc for expirings would be welcome, and I wouldn't mind also taking a look at how Thomas fits here, but I don't want to take back a junk contract for the privilege.

 

[ParniValjak]

If we can get any of the expirings for Nocioni you do the deal in a heartbeat.

We are stacked at SF and his contract is just taking up the caproom.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Nowhere yet have I seen the most obvious proposal. If we take on Hinrich, Beno has to go:

Beno and Noce for Hinrich and Thomas.

With Hinrich, although expensive and not that young anymore, you hope you have the ideal 6th man PG/SG that can play next to Reke and Martin. Thomas, though, is the whole point of the experiment.

For the Bulls, I guess it's the whole "flexible pieces" argument. Who knows where Amick got this idea from, or if he's just speculating on his own. My guess is the latter.

 

[Smills91]

Nowhere yet have I seen the most obvious proposal. If we take on Hinrich, Beno has to go:

Beno and Noce for Hinrich and Thomas.

With Hinrich, although expensive and not that young anymore, you hope you have the ideal 6th man PG/SG that can play next to Reke and Martin. Thomas, though, is the whole point of the experiment.

For the Bulls, I guess it's the whole "flexible pieces" argument. Who knows where Amick got this idea from, or if he's just speculating on his own. My guess is the latter.

Beno is actually good now. That's probably too much value going back to Chicago to justify that trade.

IMO Beno > Hinrich at this point in their careers. It does shed a lot of future salary to the point where you could realistically entertain a K-9 for Okafor type deal.

 

[SacKings7]

Beno is actually good now. That's probably too much value going back to Chicago to justify that trade.

IMO Beno > Hinrich at this point in their careers. It does shed a lot of future salary to the point where you could realistically entertain a K-9 for Okafor type deal.

I agree with you that Beno is playing great lately, but Hinrich is just as good of a shooter and a much better defender than Beno. I'd take Hinrich over Beno thank you very much. However, taking contracts into account...it might tip the scales back in Beno's favor...

 

[Smills91]

I agree with you that Beno is playing great lately, but Hinrich is just as good of a shooter and a much better defender than Beno. I'd take Hinrich over Beno thank you very much. However, taking contracts into account...it might tip the scales back in Beno's favor...

Huh? Really? Not in 3-4 years now has Hinrich been a better shooter than Beno. Even last year Beno shot decently. Beno's one of the best 'shooting' guards in the league. His mid-range game is lethal.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

if the Bulls add Pargo and their trade exception, it works fine..but then we prob would need to add a second

 

[gunks]

How can we trick them into giving us Noah?

 

[NewArena]

How can we trick them into giving us Noah?

Giving up Kevin Martin most likely...and i kind of wouldn't mind that idea. Anyway, there is absolutely no way in the world they want Nocioni back, and top of that give us an expiring? Come on now, you guys know better than that.

And i swear i will burn down the Kings front office with a smile on my face if we use Kenny thomas and his expiring in some lateral move. We deserve something big for this guy after going through hell the last 5 + years.

 

[EatMoreChicken]

No way the Bulls let go of Noah, there's nothing we have other than Evans of value to them, or giving up Casspi and assume Henrich.

Only problem w/ them giving up TThomas, is who would play PF for them? They have Gibson, but he's not the solution either. I'm all for exchanging Thomases, maybe all Tyrus needs is a change of scenery. And if he's better than JT, which he probably is, than we make the qualifying offer and lock him up on our terms.

In regards to the Bull cap space, they have 37M committed next year. Their biggest need is PF, so I don't see them taking on Nocioni which would jeopardize signing someone like Boozer.

 

[Kaiz]

Agreed!

there's nothing we have other than Evans of value to them, or giving up Casspi and assume Henrich.


Giving up Casspi ???? I'm not daring thinking of it! Reke and Casspi are our bright future.

 

[Aenadin]

Nocioni
2nd rounder

for

Aaron Gray
Thomas
Lindsey Hunter

one vet would teach tyreke defense

 

[ElRey]

Nocioni
2nd rounder

for

Aaron Gray
Thomas
Lindsey Hunter

one vet would teach tyreke defense

Umm, but isn't Tyreke a pretty defender and probably our best defender on the team already?

 

[asakkings]

Nocioni
2nd rounder

for

Aaron Gray
Thomas
Lindsey Hunter

one vet would teach tyreke defense

Wow this would be a steal. I hope it happens.

 

[EatMoreChicken]

Giving up Casspi ???? I'm not daring thinking of it! Reke and Casspi are our bright future.

Not giving up Casspi for Noah, you're kidding right? The guys a legit center, Casspi can be replaced.

BTW, we can't taken on Gray and Hunter b/c of trade restrictions. As some mentioned earlier, Pargo is the best fit.

 

[gunks]

Yeah, I'd trade Casspi for Noah in a second. And thats no knock on Casspi either, I think he's going to be a great player.

I'd also trade Martin for Noah, but I think they'd want more...So I'd throw in Hawes

 

[Bricklayer]

I generally hope/assume that three players should be off the table in trade talks -- Reke, and then Casspi + Greene. Barring a superstar type return.

 

[Kings4life23]

I generally hope/assume that three players should be off the table in trade talks -- Reke, and then Casspi + Greene. Barring a superstar type return.

Im with you on this one if they traded any of these players and didnt get a super star i would have a bottle of jack next to me every game...

 

[Aenadin]

Umm, but isn't Tyreke a pretty defender and probably our best defender on the team already?

and can you imagine what he will be if he gets more training from a defender like hunter?

 

[Bricklayer]

and can you imagine what he will be if he gets more training from a defender like hunter?

Reke is the last King who needs defensive training. He's going to be a really good one on that end regardless. Now you want to get Lindsay and lock Kevin, Beno, Sergio et al in a gym wiht him all summer, that could help.

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

Wow this would be a steal. I hope it happens.

Those two sentences aren't friends with each other.

 

[Superman]

Not giving up Casspi for Noah, you're kidding right? The guys a legit center, Casspi can be replaced.

BTW, we can't taken on Gray and Hunter b/c of trade restrictions. As some mentioned earlier, Pargo is the best fit.

I'd rather see Shaq as a King than Joakim Noah. Can't stand that dude.

 

[NewArena]

I generally hope/assume that three players should be off the table in trade talks -- Reke, and then Casspi + Greene. Barring a superstar type return.

I agree with you other than the inclusion of Greene. I definitely wouldn't mind trading him if it made sense. Wouldn't need a superstar in return for Greene IMO. If we could simply get a big man that can play with his back to the basket, that would be a welcomed sight.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd rather see Shaq as a King than Joakim Noah. Can't stand that dude.

be a perfect fit here. Of course a player like that is almsot a perfect anywhere, including chicago, so he's presumably not available for less than a star.

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree with you other than the inclusion of Greene. I definitely wouldn't mind trading him if it made sense. Wouldn't need a superstar in return for Greene IMO. If we could simply get a big man that can play with his back to the basket, that would be a welcomed sight.

Moving Donte now would eb a lot like losing Gerald years ago. Too much potential, and critically too much defensive potential, to give up on. Ont the high end, could end up being ther best player currently on this roster other than Reke.

 

[NewArena]

I'd rather see Shaq as a King than Joakim Noah. Can't stand that dude.

meh, i think Noah is one of the those guys that you love when he is on your team and hate when he isn't.

Kind of like those kings fans that say they wouldn't want Kobe. Always baffles me.