Grades v. Suns 1/05/10

Kings Player of the Game?

  • Omri Casspi

    Votes: 37 37.4%
  • Tyreke Evans

    Votes: 36 36.4%
  • Jon Brockman

    Votes: 22 22.2%
  • Andres Nocioni

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    99
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Welcome to the rookapalooza -- we should just trade away everyone over 21.

And we are about 10 total points in the last two weeks from having put the league on notice with a string of exciting wins over top teams. Instead we've dropped 6 of 7 and these close losses have to be getting old. Here's one thought about those losses: DEFENSE. We scored 109pts again, and again lost. You know how often the Cavs score 109pts and lose? Almost never. And its hard sometimes to even figure out why we struggle so much. So many guys seem to be trying so hard on that end. But still we struggle and in a few weeks our wings from our historically bad defensive team of last year return to the fray. That ain't gonna help. We need to find some answers on that side of the ball if we are going to take the next step. If we give up 100ppg instead of 105ppg we are a 20 win team right now.

Greene ( C+ ) -- going to call Donte the SF this time and Omri the SG -- they really are often interchangeable, but tonight Donte was being checked by Hill and Omri spent much of the early going getting switched over onto Nash off of Phoenix picks. :eek: Donte was largely content to work as a distributor in the early going and not looking for his own offense. Had a few flashes of wanting to do too much -- a bad TO when he left his feet to pass, and a forced shot in the early second, but generally helped Reke, Omri and KT shine in the early going just by getting out of the way -- the value of a roleplayer. In the mid-2nd dropped a beautiul open court pass to Casspi for the layup but stepped on Jared Dudley's foot as he was coming down and went down in a heap -- the first of two injury scares we would have on the night Limped into the locker room immediately and it was looking like the looming minutes crunch might be solves the wrong way. But was back after half to mix in some good defensive moments with steals and blocks, but was not consistently staying in front of Richardson. Eventually phased out in the 3rd and never returned. First it was Noc playing well who took the minutes, then Beno finally woke up. And with Reke and Omri both posting big games, just no time available. A respectable roleplayer's game in his limited minutes posting stats across the board: 17min 2pts 5rebs 4ast 2stl 2blk.

Thompson ( C+ ) -- good muscular take on Frye to start -- not a 1 but as 2-grunter as you heard the Suns' big weenie let out not one but two squeals as Jaosn banged into and through him. Got the benefit of a whistle on an +1 flying down the lane into and over Richardson -- very aggressive and physical early. But then it was a wild whirling drive reminscient of Donte that had no chance, and a terrible pass up top intended for Udoka, but don't see how it could get there since he threw it right to Dudley standing right between them -- and that was what I think really threw him out of rhythm and began to hurt us were just some really bad/idiotic passes scattered throught this one from all points on the court. Jason was functioning as a one man trigger for the Suns fast break for stretches of this one. I think given his foul trouble in previous matchups, we avoided the JT/Amare match this time, and instead Jason spent most of his time on Frye. Did not really contain him either though as he was having problems staying close enough to him running around the perimeter. Made some good plays late before blowing the critical ones we needed with a series of mishandles and fumbles. Got a block and then ran the floor hard for the finish. Picked up Reke's poke steal on Nash and sent it back ahead to Reke for the finish on the break. Grabbed a good d-board in traffic. But then fumbled a pass from Reke to trigger another Suns break and put us down four. Grabbed an offensive board on a Reke miss at the 1:00 but did the overexcited gerbil thing and blew the 2 foot tip layup. But on a set play out of the timeout got the dunk off a Reke assist at the 40 second mark. Getting a little distressed at how low my grades are going for these double doubles Jaosn is putting up, but many of them feel less than the numbers -- this one was 14pts 10rebs, but also 6-16 shooting, 5 TOs, and some critical fumbles down the stretch.

Hawes ( C- ) -- started this one off immediately with a soft foul on Amare on a +1. Not able to protect the paint in the early going, but got a dunk off the pick and roll with Reke. Fluttered up a bricked three (which the box says must just have been a 22 foot jumepr, whihc is almost worse), but did grab an aggressive d-board. Picked up his second foul near the end of the first quarter and did not return for a very long time as we went in search of toughness and the ability to get back to defend the run n gun. Finally back in in the late 3rd and did a solid job for about 4-5 minutes on the boards and with a dunk. But Mr. 30-11 two games ago gave us all of 4-3 in 17 irrelevant minutes tonight and again saw his midget ex-college teammate take him late minutes just by having a bigger set.

Casspi ( A- ) -- started this one with a post move, but then airballed his first three and in the early going all his hits were to the hoop (including a nifty to the hoop scoop wiht his left hand), while the jumpshots were off the mark. The Suns kept on getting Reke and Caspi to switch off screens in the early going as well, and then Nash on Casspi = no chance. Got our on the break several times in the second, including the play that Donte went down on, and then taking the fullcourt pass from Reke to hit the layup beating the first half buzzer. Got fouled, but then missed both FTs in the early 3rd. Finally splashed in a three in the mid third and hit a series of big shots in the last quarter and a half, culiminating with a big three in the 4th off of a Reke kick to set a career high with 24. Airballed the desperation three at the closing buzzer, but wisely on that play was waiting to try to create a +1 situation given that we were 4 down. So hohum, another 20pt game. Keeps inching that career high up one point at a time. But if he keeps setting a new one every game it will be 72 by the end of the season.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Besides pride, loyalty, discipline, heart, and mind, confidence is the key to all the locks.
-Joe Paterno


Evans ( A- ) -- Confidence. It can be a magic word. And tonight you could just see it flowing off of everything Reke did. He was in complete control. And yet in perhaps the surest sign of a superstar in attendance yet seen around here, we are now entering the era where we have one of the dozen or so players in the entire world who can put up 27pts 11rebs 7ast 2stl 1blk, and yet we're going to quibble. Started off using the attention he drew to create varius opportunities for teammates, but then seemed to flip a switch, almost an angry switch it seemed, and spent a few minutes repeatedly brutalizng Nash around the rim before sittiing down to rest. Missed the end of quarter chance with a great looking drive he just could not finish, and it hurt us as usual - Barbossa went the other way and prayered up an off the glass three. Continued looking really confident going inside and creating shots for teammates in the second, and closed the half with a steal/d-board (not sure how they credited it) and fullcourt pass ahead to Casspi for the layin with 1 second to go before the buzzer. Along the way knocked down several jumpers and racked up 5 rebs (leading us), 4assists, and was in serious contention for his first triple double. Opened the third knocking down back to back jumpers to chase the lead back down to 10. Freight trained Nash a few minutes later, sending the gnat flying and yet still getting the call -- maybe the beginning of getting star calls rather than rookie calls. Of course on the other hand got called for several touch fouls on Nash for arm slaps. In our second scary moent of the night (the other being Donte going down) came up limping in the mid third and headed to the locker room just as we were clawing back into it -- sprained right ankle again. But like Donte was back to begin the 4th and showed no ill effects while immediately beginning to carve the Suns up. Set Casspi up for a three. Then hit Noc with a beautiful look on the break. Was grabbing defensive board after defensive baord to turn and trigger our break. Came up with a poke steal on Nash which JT picked up and sent back to Reke for the fastbreak hoop. Then another kick to Casspi for a three, and a possession later blocked Nash and went fullcourt for the foul and FTs to singlehandedly tie us back up. But made several mistakes at a critical time -- overpenetrated leading to a turnover when he tried to dump it to Butterfing...I mean JT at the last second, and his next attempt was blocked. But came back on defense, got switched off onto Amare, stoned him and drew the offensive foul at the 1:20. Layup out of the timeout at the 1:00 mark would not fall, nor would the follow tip after JTs intervening blown tip. Set up JT for a dunk at the 45 sec mark, then went full court for layups at the 25 second mark, and again at the 5 second mark to keep us within 2pts. Unfortunately Nash would not cooperate and miss a FT and so we never could catch up. So 27-11-7, and in true superstar fashion all we'll do is talk about the ones he didn't get. If its 29-11-7 or 31-11-7 and we win there's the A. But 27-11-7? Pfft.

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Bench
Noc ( B+ ) -- one of Noc's better games of the last month, and gave us a big scoring bump off the bench. Able to charge inside and draw several fouls in the early 2nd, and was showing well on the screens up top to help Reke and the guards in screen roll situations. Got a steal, hit a three off of a Reke double, and had one of his better halves in awhile. In in the mid third for Donte and quickly splashed in a jumper and got up to 15. Big missed open three in the the early 4th that would have got us within 1. Then seemed like he got run over by a flying Sun, but no call. Replaced by Beno for the stretch run. Very scoring oriented outing, but given how many times of alte he hasn't given us much of anything at all, this was a welcome step forward.

Thomas ( INC ) -- short first half stint, never returned. Had a good hustle board on the d-glass, then for some bizarre reason we intentionally tried to clear out and post him on Amare, a disaster waiting to happen but fortunately Amare slapped the ball away before it got any uglier. Good defense on Amare in the first few minutes of the second, then when Amare left, so did Kenny, never to return.

Udrih ( C ) -- gave us very little off the bench in the first half. Very little roughly translating to nothing at all. Missed all his shots, spent most of the time being invisible, with a few little moments of being burned on defense mixed in. Finally got a spinning look to go in the late 4th off a big Brockman o-board, but then tried to duplicate it and came up with an airball. Wasn't actually until the stretch run when he really made a push, and I think it says something about his stature and our confidence in him during those moments that we were willing to pay a completely ineffective player down the stretch just in confidence that he would wake up. And wakeup he did -- good hit out of the timeout at the 3 minute mark. Then a pair of FTs. Then another jumper as he singlehandedly held us close before Reke took over down the stretch. And so tough grade. Ntohign forever, then a burst right when we needed it. Still nowehere near one of his good game s though, so can't bump the grade too far. Just not the timely appearance.

Brockman ( A- ) -- gave us a boost late in the first half wiht a dunk off a Casspi setup, good steal and then a follow of a Reke miss. Enough of a boost in fact that he got the start for Hawes after half. And in what can only be described as a surprise, Amare did nothing against him in the third. That was like Rocky v. Apollo Creed. And despite having no talent Rocky was winning agin because he was willing to work harder. Contiued rumbling along as a key component of our most competitive team into the 4th, but also began to make mistakes that eventually tagged the "-" onto this grade. Grabbed a good offensive rebound, but then threw a terrible interior pass for the TO. Then another o-baord and finish. Picked up too many lose ball fouls in the early 4th as well, helping to get us into the penalty. Frye went over him for a tip in the early 4th where his midegt statute actually hurt. But came back a few minutes later with a big manly man of an o-board ripping it away from the girlie men of the Suns frontline with enough force to take an arm off if it got caught in there, and which eventually led to a Beno conversion. Picked up a couple of late fouls on Amare, but otherwise largely shut him out. Had another key offensive board at the 2:15 mark...or would have, but then tried to dribble it out and turned it over. Great contribution, but the late TOs and fouls hurt.
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Udoka ( C ) -- got to guard Nash some in tthe early going to indifferent effect. Bad turnover on a bad pass near the end of the third, but made up for it with the steal on the other end on the next possession. Missed a three in the early 4th that seemed to trigger the Suns on a run as they broke it back open after it had been tied. Not much here.
 
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#3
I wanted to start a Reke - Any questions? thread but held off as I don't want to overkill those. But dude had a monster game on a bum ankle:

27 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 block in 39 mins. Although he shot 10/23 (7/7 from free throw land), he still killed it.
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
#5
Evans has made several mistakes down the stretch that also cost us the game. His numbers were good but don't tell the whole story. Culnd guard Nash either.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#7
I wanted to start a Reke - Any questions? thread but held off as I don't want to overkill those. But dude had a monster game on a bum ankle:

27 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 block in 39 mins. Although he shot 10/23 (7/7 from free throw land), he still killed it.
Exactly. Which is why I chose Jon Brockman. Evans is going to give us monster performances on a regular basis. I like seeing the guys like Brockman, who weren't expected to do all that much, come out and really make us sit up and cheer.
 
#8
Another tough POG poll - lots of them lately which is good. Brockman definitely changed the tone in Kings favor when he got in and started to bang Amare around silly. Beno (not in the poll) was a spark late plus kept the offense rolling while Reke was in the locker room for a spell. Omri very-very solid and I think had another career high in points. Noc had an impact with his scoring. So should I vote for John Brockman??? or Jon Brockman???:confused:
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#9
Another tough POG poll - lots of them lately which is good. Brockman definitely changed the tone in Kings favor when he got in and started to bang Amare around silly. Beno (not in the poll) was a spark late plus kept the offense rolling while Reke was in the locker room for a spell. Omri very-very solid and I think had another career high in points. Noc had an impact with his scoring. So should I vote for John Brockman??? or Jon Brockman???:confused:
I vote Jon Brockman;)
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#10
Another tough POG poll - lots of them lately which is good. Brockman definitely changed the tone in Kings favor when he got in and started to bang Amare around silly. Beno (not in the poll) was a spark late plus kept the offense rolling while Reke was in the locker room for a spell. Omri very-very solid and I think had another career high in points. Noc had an impact with his scoring. So should I vote for John Brockman??? or Jon Brockman???:confused:
Oops, yeah, Beno was supposd to be the 5th name.
 
#12
Ok, I came here for Omri, and I usually try to not go overboard with my praise of him, because I'm naturally biased. But tonight, I can't help myself. Forget the stat sheet, which was impressive on its own. The guy took all the momentum shots, and all the shots that everyone was afraid to take. When we were down 20 everyone else was just trying to get rid of the ball. Omri took it and nailed the shot that started the comeback. Then he had a couple of momentum 3s, and when the Suns opened up that 7 point lead again, he nailed the 3 that shifted the momentum back. I was incredibly impressed with him tonight. Even more than usual. Too bad he was one more momentum shot short of giving us the win though :(
 
#13
Ok, I came here for Omri, and I usually try to not go overboard with my praise of him, because I'm naturally biased. But tonight, I can't help myself. Forget the stat sheet, which was impressive on its own. The guy took all the momentum shots, and all the shots that everyone was afraid to take. When we were down 20 everyone else was just trying to get rid of the ball. Omri took it and nailed the shot that started the comeback. Then he had a couple of momentum 3s, and when the Suns opened up that 7 point lead again, he nailed the 3 that shifted the momentum back. I was incredibly impressed with him tonight. Even more than usual. Too bad he was one more momentum shot short of giving us the win though :(
Totaly agree with you-he had a great game!
I like his consistancy
 
#15
Can anyone? Let alone a 20 year old kid. Hardly something to hold against him.
He is doing great for his age and as a rookie-I personally could not be happier with his performance.
But still he is also doing mistakes and I think there´s nothing wrong in mentioning them as well.
 
#16
Can anyone? Let alone a 20 year old kid. Hardly something to hold against him.

Tyreke had a very nice block of a Nash jumpshot late in the game and took it to the other end. Tyreke can stay in front of Nash, but when Nash gets his screens it is impossible to guard him. Tyreke hasn't learned how to walk through screens like a ghost...yet. :)


Everyone makes mistakes. Nash too, he had 7 turnovers this game. He must not be a true point guard. :p
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#18
Everyone makes mistakes. Nash too, he had 7 turnovers this game. He must not be a true point guard. :p
I'd gladly trade them a "true point guard" (Sergio) and take that scrub Amare off their hands so that they can finally pair their SG Nash with a good fit for their back court.
 
#19
Tyreke had a very nice block of a Nash jumpshot late in the game and took it to the other end. Tyreke can stay in front of Nash, but when Nash gets his screens it is impossible to guard him. Tyreke hasn't learned how to walk through screens like a ghost...yet. :)


Everyone makes mistakes. Nash too, he had 7 turnovers this game. He must not be a true point guard. :p
PW should bench him until he does! :rolleyes:
 
#23
Evans has made several mistakes down the stretch that also cost us the game. His numbers were good but don't tell the whole story. Culnd guard Nash either.
AND who CAN guard Nash? The dude looks like a mummy but plays like a Atomic Gym Rat! No one can stay in front of Nash, he is a team defense sort of player, and our team D just failed to stop his penetration. And when they did he either dished some SWEET passes or made the shots. He's good. He had his full game on display against Evans. It was like he was trying to prove a point. Different styles similar results, other than the fact that we dont have the dominating presence of a Stoudamire to dish to in the paint. I saw at least 5 dropped dimes that The Monster Nash was droppin, he might have had 20 dimes and 30 points with a few breaks his way.

Let's not forget that part teams are bringing their "A" game to Sacramento. It not like when the monster trucks are at ARCO, and they can barely turn or put on the gas. NBA teams know that the Kings are playing hard at home, and now they are bringing the fight to us. We need Martin back playing healthy and playing defense. If we can get 20+ out of Martin, Evans would have a much easier time getting to the rim himself. And Thompson would have more space to operate.

In the triangle offense, you need 2 Very Good players and a All Star to run it to perfection. We'll have that in 2 Very Good Players (Martin, Thompson) and a Allstar this YEAR! (albeit Evans will play on the rookie team). The Triple threat! And the role players either bang for boards or sit on the 3 pt line and camp waiting for their shot to come to them for the open 3. Omri Casspi is an AMAZING 3 point shooter. He is a younger Peja with the ability to defend ! If you give this kid 7 free shots from the short corner 3, he will drain 6 of them. Trouble is, that is where our good outside shooters end. Martin has a great shot, but he is a decision maker in the triangle, so he isn't camping, he's moving. Cisco, if he can get healthy, could also play the 3pt shooting role player. Beno isnt a great 3 pt threat, but he IS a threat who could score or put the ball on the floor and make things happen.

Well, I said all this to say I THINK that when Martin comes back, the dynamic of the team will change in a VERY GOOD way! Martin is a known quantity in the NBA. Unless you rough him up, he will drop 25 on a good night and 40 on a great night. I think that would account for the few loses we have had lately by a few points.

This also has to take into account that Hawes is going to make something of his life! Hawes had 4 points and 3 REBOUNDS! He is 7 feet tall for those of you who dont know. Most 7 foot tall centers literally are given 5 rebounds just standing below the rim and boxing out, Spencer is ALLERGIC to rebounding! He had 2 fouls and 1 turnover which for all intents and purposes canceled out his entire night! So it's like we dont even HAVE a center on the floor!

I am not sure how much longer they can afford to keep Spence in to start games at the detriment of the team. He really is stinking up the joint. Teams are going right at Hawes in one on one or 2 man game with Hawes man making the play. Fakers game notwithstanding, when Has Hawes ever stood out in a game other then negatively? I believe the praise the coach gave Spence a few games ago is false praise. He did little in the last 3 offseasons to get stronger in his legs AND his upper body. You need both to post up and play in the paint. He needs time to pump iron and put some meat on those bones. He has the arms of a 12 year old boy.

Brockman has twice the strength of Hawes which is why he is better suited to play center until Hawes works out and proves he can handle the center position. Even as a rookie, Brockman does all the little things under the rim that you want your center to do. Never fails to block out his man, FIGHTS for position underneath. Goes after EVERY rebound and believes that ALL the rebounds are his. Just Amazing. I can see Hawes getting benched for Brockman. The reason he has become a crowd favorite is he is the ANTI-HAWES! Blue collar hard worker with a great attitude! If Brockman had been born to grow 3-4 more inches, he would be a fine center, but alas he is the stature he is. But I still think he gives you a puncher's chance to win games. Hawes gives the other team a place to attack for sure points when they need them. And if we have to double every night to help Hawes that leaves someone open for a shot. I say Start Brockman! Hawes demoted to bench player. He has played worse than the average bench player. He was outplayed by Louis Amundson, who used to play for the Kings in the summer league. A bench player took rebounds away from Hawes and consistently got position on him. I hate to bag on Hawes, I think in time if he puts in the work, he has all the other tools. But right now he doesnt have what it takes to compete in the NBA. He needs a KICK in the Pants!
 
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I think the israelis on this site tiped the scale for Omri's because Tyreke really filled the stat sheet.
He should improve his decisions though... He isn't a PG,that much is obvious.
The man is a classic 2guard (a-la Iverson),so he should improve his game intelligence and court vision if he is to man the PG spot.

As far as guarding Nash is concerned,i think he did a good a job as any... You can't single handedly guard that pick with Amare on top,its impossible.
That's what their entire team is based on,thats what Malone and Stockton were based on.You can't guard a good pick,it has to be a team effort collapsing the defense fast enough on the slasher,and rotation to the outside man.
Even than,if the pick is really good?you can't do ****.

Overall,the only complaint i have in general to Tyreke is his decisions.
Other than that the man has super star written all over him.

p.s. sorry about taking this discussion away from the "Evans - PG or SG?" thread, but i kinda got on a roll and i think its relevant here as well.
 
#25
I enjoy the game and very happy with the results against all the elite team. They're getting ton of experience on tight game against elite team.

Any of our rookies can be the player of the game...WTG GP :eek:

As of right now, I would of pick Omri over Jennings.
 
#26
I think the israelis on this site tiped the scale for Omri's because Tyreke really filled the stat sheet.
Stats don't tell everything, if they would then it was needless to watch the game ;)
Tyreke had a very good 4th quarter and i have no intention of disregarding his part of the comeback, but if you will watch the game again you will see that the momentum change started in the 3rd quarter when Tyreke was out and Omri together with Udrih made some big momentum changing shots.
 
#28
I would like to point out that out of Amare's 24 points only 8 of them were scored in the 2nd half where Brockman was defending him for the most part. On top of that 4 of those were free throws in which Brockman did not foul him on any of them.

That's impressive.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#29
I would like to point out that out of Amare's 24 points only 8 of them were scored in the 2nd half where Brockman was defending him for the most part. On top of that 4 of those were free throws in which Brockman did not foul him on any of them.

That's impressive.
That's why I voted for him in this poll. Brockman is a rookie, too, and he's playing way above his expected level. He worked hard last night, doing pretty much everything that was asked of him, INCLUDING a monster dunk. Omri and Tyreke will get their accolades, as they should. This one belongs to JB.
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
#30
I'd gladly trade them a "true point guard" (Sergio) and take that scrub Amare off their hands so that they can finally pair their SG Nash with a good fit for their back court.

Winner! Winner! Winner!

I fell off my chair laughing. :D
 
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