Grades v. Nets 11/27/09

In a month Kevin is due back, how would you handle the minutes crunch for Beno?

  • Keep starting Beno, bring Kevin off the bench

    Votes: 21 19.3%
  • Start Kevin, have Beno back him up (12-15min), Sergio backs up Reke

    Votes: 20 18.3%
  • Start Kevin, have Casspi/Donte back him up, Beno backs up Reke (12-15min)

    Votes: 30 27.5%
  • Start Kevin, have Beno play third guard behind Reke + Kevin, no minutes for Donte/Casspi/Sergio

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Trade Beno to resolve the crunch while his value is high

    Votes: 17 15.6%
  • Trade Kevin to resolve the crunch

    Votes: 17 15.6%

  • Total voters
    109
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Nocioni ( C- ) -- solid in the early going and splashed in a three, but overshadowed by the rest of the team's fireworks. Minutes were held down by our flood of productive guys off the bench -- Casspi in particular. Came out ragged to start the third, forcing a post shot, then getting out of control on the break and charging. With Coach going to the bench looking for a spark, and again finding it in Casspi/Udrih, lost the rest of his second half minutes.

Thompson ( B- ) -- was off to a middling start to this one when he had his defining moment of the game -- unfortunately for Jason that defining moment was a big hard hard foul from Brooke Lopez on the break -- pulled him right out of the sky to thud on his back hard enough to shake Arco's rotting rafters, and Jason had no chance to catch himself to break the fall (maybe a good thing as that's a good way to break an arm). Returned and grabbed a few boards, but minutes and production were both short. Last seen in the first half falling on his behind after having the chair pulled out from under him. Started off the 3rd with a jumper but then largely disappeared until picking a bad time to pick up his 4th foul with Hawes already hurt and out of the game by the middle of the quarter. Resulted in Westphal's nightmare scenario with one of his two bigs hurt and the other a hackmaster (JT is again leading the entire NBA in fouls/gm by a wide margin), and a succession of ridiculous May/Brockman, Brockman/KT type frontlines that would be considered stubby in college, let alone the NBA facing a good young center like Lopez. Perhaps learning to play with fouls, since he always has them, as he was decently effective in the 4th, coming up with a momentum swinging shotblock in the mid quarter and focusing this time on the defensive glass rather than the offensive. Not an impact performance again, but hung in there and provided a little help after the big fall.

Hawes ( A- ) -- and so another strong half game from Spencer, this time bineg limited not by coach but by an injury (minor). Got a lot of early points just playing garbageman on the offensive glass and pick and roll with Evans -- they are developing a real chemistry especially on the high pick and roll from the top of the key. Was hanging inthe paint against Brook Lopez, even after bieng splatted once early. And was playing big on defense -- and by big here I don't mean dominant, I just mean was staying tall and with a lot of double team help holding Lopez down somewhat (Lopez had 11 first half points, and only averages 17, but it felt like a struggle). Played right through the first half and was a major component of our almost embarrassing first half board dominance. Finsihed the first half having played 24 minutes, and with 16pts and 8rebs to Lopez's 11pts 3reds. Didn't chuck his first three until late in the half, but unfortunately in the third it was Flutter who came out of the locker room, not the first half guy. Started chucking more threes, turning it over, and I wanted to just go down there and slap him -- how do you just forget how to play big man in the space of a single halftime? But this time there may have been an excuse -- about 5 minutes into the third quarter, wiht Spencer playing awfully and the team flat, Westphal made the call...and who you gonna call? Sean May. :eek: I found that dubious as a way to change momentum, May proved me right in thinking it was dubious, but it turned out maybe Coach did not have a choice as Spencer was spotted limping over on the sideline, and it turns out he had banged knees with somebody inthe first half and was having problems in the second -- he never returned. If this was the first time we had ever seen Flutter take the court, I would attribute the poor second half largely to the injury. As its been a season long issue...well, I just hope it was the injury. In any case the strong first half against a legit full sized center carries the bulk of this grade, and we can all just pretend that Specner never came out of that lockerroom after half (and in many ways he actually didn't).

Greene ( B- ) -- in the first half was much better than the modest numbers here indicate -- worked very well with Evans, with the two guys taking turns setting each other up. The shot blocking was back, showed surprising ballhandling and really nifty passing, including one bouncepass on the break that actually passed right under Lopez's foot in midstride and hit Reke in stride for the foul (hence no assist). There were some problems -- against the quicker guard (Douglas Roberts) this time out his ballhandling and extreme desire to drive right was more obvious. And while he was putting in the effort on defense and rocking up the interior blocks, Douglas-Roberts was actually scoring back the other way pretty prolifically. Still, you would have ben hard pressed to call the first half Evans/Greene backcourt pairing anything but a grand success. But after half...much like Noc...and Hawes...and well just about everyone, it was a different story. Wasn't a question of Donte doing poorly so much as just not able to get anything going at all after half, and he only lasted a few minuts before being replaced by SuperBeno. And of course once SuperBeno takes the floor, there is no getting him off of it.

Evans ( B ) -- and so the continued grading difficulty with a rook who is at once so consistent (9 straight games he has scored 19 or more points) and who has so much potential that a 21pt 8reb game is just hohum and leaves me talking mostly about its flaws. Reke and Donte started off this one playing extremely well together, with their off court friendship apparently playing into a real oncourt chemistry. And with the 6'11" Donte as a SG, Reke again got to work on the opposing team's PG, in this case a good, if rusty (coming off of injury) defender in Devin Harris. And Reke just whipped him, easily, for the first 24 minutes. Major key was that he was hitting his jumpers, and trhen that is happening it just makes it nearly impossible for his defender. So Reke ended up just casually dominating the half and Harris was never a factor on either end of the court. But like a lot of things in this game, things changed after half. Harris came out much more aggressive to start the third and went right at Reke, and when I say went right at him, I mean right at him -- couldn't get around him, but was repeatedly working up a head of steam and driving right into his chest and drawing fouls. Meanwhile Reke kind of started pressing, just trying to just ram the ball down the court wihtout plan. Got several shots blocked in there, and it felt much more like the game in Memphis, where Reke put up big numbers but it felt individualistic. And maybe, given our 3rd quarter collapse here, that is Reke's response when nobody else is doing anything -- loses confidence in hsi teammates and just tries to do it himself. But for whatever the reason his imapct and control of the game slipped, and while he still was making the occasional nice play, still was working the defensive glass, he was no longer leading the team until the arrival of SuperBeno bailed everybody out. Beno for the most part ran the team down the stretch, and I think a key component to Beno's early success has been teams really gearing themselves up to stop Reke, and then when Beno comes in aggressive and takes over the duties, they can't handle the extra attacker. Were some scattered good and bad moments in the 4th for Reke. Made a bad play dribbling too long, getting doubled, and then throwing a desperate crosscourt pass to try to escape that was picked off to start a Nets break. But also stepped up to take and hit his only three of the game at a key moment to stave off Nets momentum. So strong first half, not so strong second half with decent numbers but not much impact. A mere 21pt 8reb 3ast on 50% shooting night. So let's call this one a B.
Oh BTW, fun factoid:
Brandon Roy 36.7min 19.8pts (.446FG% .791FT%) 4.4reb 5.2ast 0.4stl 0.2blk 2.1TO
Tyreke Evans 35.8min 19.1pts (.450Fg% .785FT%) 5.3reb 4.8ast 1.4stl 0.4blk 3.1TO
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Brockman ( C+ ) -- entered the game in the wake of Jason being splatted, and while its true that basically he and the other midgets are our backup PFs, it still had a bit of a feel of inserting a hockey goon to go make things right after one of your guys gets put down. Did little statistically in his first half minutes, but wasn't in there for stats, was in there to bang with Lopez, and did a decent job of that. Giving up nearly half a foot in height, but could equal the bulk. Was back in once Thompson got into foul trouble in the third and started a series of unfortunate midget teamings with May and Thomas as we simply were out of size up front. Did little in those pairings, but our shorties hung in there as well as could be hoped given the situation.

Udrih ( A ) -- quiet first half running the majority of the minutes behind Donte, but that of course is not what anybody wants to talk about, because after the break had one of those bizarro world Beno halves where he just suddenly decided to be the best player on the floor. In to give us more ballhandling in the third, and hit an important bleeding stopping pair of pick and roll jumpers in the mid thrid. Followed that with a three and teamed with Casspi and...KT :eek: to push the lead back out to 14 from 6. Back in in the 4th and again worked the dribble for a jumper and really ran the team down the stretch, making some good passes (dropoff to Jason for the finsih) and some he might want to rethink -- feeding KT in the post for a turnover. Hit maybe the sealer at the 1:05 mark off a drive on a scamble play, adn I am not sure int he entire second half that he missed a shot. Was driving right to wherever he wanted fro those little pullups, setting thigs up wherever he wanted. And generally the Nets looked confused about what to do wiht this new thret -- got our starters under control, but then SuperBeno showed up, and fought off every run they made. After Reke lost his mojo, we don't win this one without him.

Casspi ( B+ ) -- struggled a bit to start initially, blowing layups, turning it over, amd missing FTs. But settled in with a nice open court steal and dunk and worked his way into a good half. Was back in the third to play a key role, teaming with Beno to hold off a suddenly determined Nets team. Hit a big back to back three with Beno to push the lead back up to 14, and adding a deep jumper from the corner while nearly falling out of bounds. Lost his magic a bit in the 4th, but down the stretch there was an important development. Omri was sitting on 13 points at the time, having played a good game and given us a nice boost when we needed it most. And then Lawrence Frank (Nets coach) got desperate, seeing it slip away, and taking a look at the season statsheet, identified Omri as his last best hope. And so Omri found himself hack-a-Casspi'd not once but twice by a desperate Nets team. If he chokes those Fts it could have been disastrous. I ahve evoked Nick Anderson before in this strange case, and if Omri gets intentionally fouled there and blows the FTs, and even moreso if we then somehow lose the game...that has to mess with your head. But instead it went the other way and Omri gritted down to hit 3 of 4, and he was pumped. And so instead of being a lingering stink which could have messed with his head, maybe just maybe this gives him the boost to get past that mental hurdle and fix the FT woes. Him hitting those also BTW held off any chance the Nets had to win this one.

Rodriguez ( B- ) --overshadowed by Reke in the first half and Beno in the second, but other than one silly turnover on a wild blind over the shoulder no looker into the paint, placed a solid floor game. Mostly matched against Rafer Alston, and just watching this game you wouldn't have been able to tell which one of them used to be a long time starter in the league.

May ( F ) -- you know, I have long had an unofficial cutoff point at 6 minutes, below which I do not give grades -- just too short a atime period to fairly assess. Well tonight, in this case, I am breaking my own rule, because this was just ridiculous. When he came in as Coach's apparent answer to breaking the Nets momentum my eyebrows shot up trying to chase down my receding hairline. But dubious as the d3ecision seemed, I was still not prepared for the barrage of incompetence that was to follow. Immediately gto called for an illegal screen, airballed a jumper, briefly fought back by scoring on a fake jumper and drive past Lopez, then fell asleep up top and got stripped up by Devin Harris for the breakaway dunk, missed another shot...and was mercifully gone. I almost felt sorry for him as you could just see in his face the "oh crap, I ****ed up" panic of a little used backup suddenly given a chance and who utterly blows it. I'm sure he wanted to just crawl in a hole somewhere. But damnit, you're in the NBA. Play like it.


Thomas ( B+ ) -- into the game for the first time replacing May, and if he didn't do another thing for the entire game that would have made it a successful outing. But he did do something, and enoguh of something that I don't think he ever left the game after finally getting in. Played 15minutes 57seconds, and I think it was all of the final 15:57 of the game. Spent many fo those minutes teamed with Brockman in a not so mighty mini-lineup that might have been mistaken for Lopez's kids. They got worked, but given how bad it could have been, at least battled. Meanwhile Kenny flashed a little something he generally cannot even spell -- offense. Scored on a floater off a dropoff pass, then provieded the pick to Beno's pick and roll to help stop the bleeding, hit 1 of 2 FTs, got a lucky half blocked hook to fall (lucky in that if it was not half blocked it would have clanked rather loudly off the backboard). Only grabbed two rebs, but they were active ones. Even notched a shotblock against Rafer in the early 4th. Ironically on a night when he didn't really do the one thing he always does (rebound) he did a good job of doing a bunch of stuff that he rarely does. This is of course why Kenny is worshipped by right minded individuals everywhere.

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Notes: we ran a great early play circling both Reke and Greene through a series of screens on the baseline to flash in the post. The Nets helped out to defend Reke as he flashed, but that was only the decoy as he took the defenders with him and then Greene flashed into positon just after him for the great look. The Nets tried fullcourt pressure to get the ball out of Reke's hands after half, but after we totally lost momentum/energy to start the second half, all the Nets managed to do was inspire a Beno beatdown. :p
 
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#6
Regarding the poll - very hard to decide among a couple of them.

Because both Martin and Udrih are injury prone I would have no particular problem with trading one of them or even both for the right deal. Obviously, Martin is more in demand but maybe not by that much since Beno plays pure PG and can be an off guard option. We desperately need to get taller and more physical on the inside so if that kind of deal is out there I'd pull the trigger if it made sense. Otherwise, only option is FA market (again, better w/o one of both of their big contracts) or the draft which is so unreliable year-to-year.
 
#8
Can't really vote for the poll because I don't think there is a formulaic way to handle it. I think Westphal will continue to do what he has done regarding lineups: experiment, teach, let the team grow, etc. Westphal is showing great poise and vision. Yes we go for wins, but it's clear that teaching and gaining experience as a team are higher priorities.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#9
Beno plays better off the bench. Personally, I don't like beno as our starting pg fo rthe long term. Also, I'm in no way giving up on a Tyreke/kmart backcourt before we see what they can accomplish. And no, 5 games together(the first 5 of reke's career)isn't anywhere near long enough to make that decision.

Now, as a backup pg, beno deserves more than 12-15 mins a game, as was the option in the poll. I like the change of pace he brings off the bench, and I think he could develop into a 6th man of the year candidate.

The main problem is what we do with our sg's and sf's, especially omri and donte. Either noc or cisco has to go. Thats the bottom line. There's no way I trade kevin without seeing what he and Tyreke can do after playing together for an extended period of time. Also, there's no way I trade Kevin to open up playing time for Beno. Kevin is too important.

What I would like to see is Beno be the 1st guard off the bench, backing up both Tyreke and Kev. I want either Omri or Donte starting at the sf by the end of february, and whichever doesn't start is the first wing off the bench. Either Noc or Cisco fills in where needed. When we look into the future, IMO, both Omri and Donte have more of an upside than either Cisco or Noc, and thats why they get priority. But we need to keep one of them around for their intensity and leadership.
 
#11
Beno plays better off the bench. Personally, I don't like beno as our starting pg fo rthe long term. Also, I'm in no way giving up on a Tyreke/kmart backcourt before we see what they can accomplish. And no, 5 games together(the first 5 of reke's career)isn't anywhere near long enough to make that decision.

Now, as a backup pg, beno deserves more than 12-15 mins a game, as was the option in the poll. I like the change of pace he brings off the bench, and I think he could develop into a 6th man of the year candidate.

The main problem is what we do with our sg's and sf's, especially omri and donte. Either noc or cisco has to go. Thats the bottom line. There's no way I trade kevin without seeing what he and Tyreke can do after playing together for an extended period of time. Also, there's no way I trade Kevin to open up playing time for Beno. Kevin is too important.

What I would like to see is Beno be the 1st guard off the bench, backing up both Tyreke and Kev. I want either Omri or Donte starting at the sf by the end of february, and whichever doesn't start is the first wing off the bench. Either Noc or Cisco fills in where needed. When we look into the future, IMO, both Omri and Donte have more of an upside than either Cisco or Noc, and thats why they get priority. But we need to keep one of them around for their intensity and leadership.
Well spoken post. And I agree with pretty much most of it. I do think eventually Cisco or Noc goes. Not sure if it's by the trade deadline this year, this summer, or next year. There is no rush, and Omri and Donte are YOUNG. One thing Westphal has shown is a great ability to manage players. I don't doubt that the chemistry would stay strong no matter what he decides to do playing time wise re: Noc, Cisco, Omri, Donte.

I do think eventually one of them gets packaged with Kenny for a good backup/defensive center. Guess that would have to be before the trade deadline though. I would think that could net us a pretty solid player.

Oh, and I doubt May sees any more meaningful minutes this year. Few, at the most.
 
#13
don't be to quick thinking about trading, so far the team playing good with all those guards, especially sf's we thought we had too much of them at the start of the season, and a lot of fans said donte should be traded after the horrible pre-season games he had, and now he is explosive.
Donte and casspi struggle on the same position and as I saw in one of the time outs donte massaging casspi's back, I thought damn this team got something special :D
 
#14
Beno plays better off the bench. Personally, I don't like beno as our starting pg fo rthe long term. Also, I'm in no way giving up on a Tyreke/kmart backcourt before we see what they can accomplish. And no, 5 games together(the first 5 of reke's career)isn't anywhere near long enough to make that decision.

Now, as a backup pg, beno deserves more than 12-15 mins a game, as was the option in the poll. I like the change of pace he brings off the bench, and I think he could develop into a 6th man of the year candidate.

The main problem is what we do with our sg's and sf's, especially omri and donte. Either noc or cisco has to go. Thats the bottom line. There's no way I trade kevin without seeing what he and Tyreke can do after playing together for an extended period of time. Also, there's no way I trade Kevin to open up playing time for Beno. Kevin is too important.

What I would like to see is Beno be the 1st guard off the bench, backing up both Tyreke and Kev. I want either Omri or Donte starting at the sf by the end of february, and whichever doesn't start is the first wing off the bench. Either Noc or Cisco fills in where needed. When we look into the future, IMO, both Omri and Donte have more of an upside than either Cisco or Noc, and thats why they get priority. But we need to keep one of them around for their intensity and leadership.
Look, our offense can run efficiently without KMart. Kmart is only one dimensional, an awesome offensive player. So why do we need him, really? Do we really want to become logjammed with talent like the Trailblazers? Will we have suffocating defense with a Reke/KMart lineup? No, we will not. We already know what KMart can offer. That is why we trade him for a positional need.
 
#15
Just got back from the game. Beno was amazing out there Player of the game no doubt. Evans did well as well. Still having trouble finishing at the rim but that will improve as he sees more NBA defenses. Still shot 50% from the field... not bad not bad at all.
 
#16
Look, our offense can run efficiently without KMart. Kmart is only one dimensional, an awesome offensive player. So why do we need him, really? Do we really want to become logjammed with talent like the Trailblazers? Will we have suffocating defense with a Reke/KMart lineup? No, we will not. We already know what KMart can offer. That is why we trade him for a positional need.
Must say that is a tempting thought, now that our talent is showing itself as able to flourish under Westphal. Very tempting indeed. I wonder what we could get for KMart, Noc/Cisco, and Kenny? Thoughts anyone?
 
#17
Must say that is a tempting thought, now that our talent is showing itself as able to flourish under Westphal. Very tempting indeed. I wonder what we could get for KMart, Noc/Cisco, and Kenny? Thoughts anyone?
I really like K-Mart and I still want to see what he can do with our current team. However, I'm not so against a possible trade involving him as I was because we don't have a "need" for what he brings. He is a great scorer... but our team right now has no problem scoring really. Before really considering trading him I still want to see him in action for a few games though.
 
#18
Beno has definitely been earning that contract he signed last year. Coming into the season the prevailing thought was that Beno was going to become the new KT. (Killing our cap space while he graced the end of the bench)

I have been very, very pleased with his play, and it's as if he's a completely different player.

So for the question posed by Bricklayer my reasoning is simple:
Who is the real Beno?

If the real Beno is the player we've been seeing this season, then you keep him around. There is no risk keeping him around, because he'll always be able to fetch interest around the league as a potential trade candidate, because his value on the court is greater than that contract of his.

If you're not certain if he can maintain this sort of play, or if you're worried about injuries rearing its ugly head, then the only practical thing to do is to trade him while his value is so high.

I don't want to see an Evans/Beno permanent starting back-court, because it takes away a potential match-up advantage we hold if we are able to force the opposing team to match their PG on Evans. I also think that Beno does play better when he doesn't have the pressure of being the primary lead guard.

At this point, I love how Beno has been playing, but I don't trust him enough to believe that he'll be able to do it consistently through-out the length of his contract. For that reason I believe that if we have the opportunity to actually gain a quality player or expirings/picks for Beno, then that is the best move to be made.

Beno was huge for us today. And I now no longer cringe when he's put into the game to play big minutes for us. But all the talk going into the season was his huge contract, and if we have the opportunity to move out from under that in a manner which is beneficial to us, then I think you have to strongly consider it.

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As for Kevin, I love the mismatch he brings when paired with Evans. The Kings gain a size advantage against almost every team in the league when those two are paired up. As far as defense goes, I think the mentality of this team is night and day compared to last year. And we saw Kevin give better efforts on the defensive end before going out. With how Tyreke has been playing, I think a lot of the scoring pressure will be off of Kevin and hopefully we'll see even more energy and focus on the defensive end. So from a defensive standpoint, I believe a Tyreke/Martin pairing is going to be better than a Tyreke/Beno pairing
The two biggest issues will be: Can Tyreke/Martin co-exist from a scoring/offensive flow standpoint, and is there enough ball handling on the team to allow the offense to run smoothly.
I think we'll need to see them play some more games before those questions are answered.

I would have no problems trading Kevin, but at this time it would have to basically be a no-brainer type of trade. We've always said that Kevin would make a fantastic #2 player if paired with a star. I'm not certain whether or not the star-power game that Tyreke has will compliment what Kevin can bring, but I'm hoping that we get to see them play 20-30 games to get a feel for what is possible.
If they don't compliment each other, then you get as much value out of Kevin as you can. If they do compliment each other, and Kevin can make strides on the defensive end, then our team will be coming along at a faster pace than any of us might have expected.

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As seen in this game, it is critical that we get another big man on our team. Spencer was actually playing like a big-man today, and when he left, Lopez just killed us. I've got to give KT his credit, because he played a fantastic defensive game, but he can't be our defensive stopper in the post for the entire season.

So my preference would be to find a way to use KT and/or Beno to get a solid big-man or value/expirings. If that doesn't happen, gauge what we have with Tyreke/Kevin once Kevin gets healthy, and make some moves based on they are able to do/not-do as our starting guards.

If we could trade Beno for expirings/picks/young players, that might make a KT for Okafor trade more likely, as it seems to me that perhaps the Kings balked on the trade due to the financial commitment.
But if we could do something like the above, and then also trade Nocioni/Cisco to clear up room for Donte/Casspi, I think that would probably be the last of the major moves needed to put this team into a place where it can grow into a team looking to make runs into the post-season.
 
#19
Beno has been bailing Tyreke out. You got to play Beno. That second half was one of Ty's most rookie-like and frustrating halves I've seen so far. It was full on 1 on 5 mode, which lead to Noc getting visibly annoyed for not getting the ball. Beno and Sergio finally got the ball movement back, and for Beno it has been something he's bee routinely doing at the end of games. Tyreke tries to do too much while ignoring the team, so Beno basically takes over the ball and makes the offense move again.

As much of a matchup nightmare the Greene/Evans backcourt was, and defensively solid as well, the thought of such lack of ball handlers and passing is too much a danger to me. This same issue applies to KMart and Evans. You can't do it till Cisco comes back.
 
#20
Beno has been bailing Tyreke out. You got to play Beno. That second half was one of Ty's most rookie-like and frustrating halves I've seen so far. It was full on 1 on 5 mode, which lead to Noc getting visibly annoyed for not getting the ball. Beno and Sergio finally got the ball movement back, and for Beno it has been something he's bee routinely doing at the end of games. Tyreke tries to do too much while ignoring the team, so Beno basically takes over the ball and makes the offense move again.

As much of a matchup nightmare the Greene/Evans backcourt was, and defensively solid as well, the thought of such lack of ball handlers and passing is too much a danger to me. This same issue applies to KMart and Evans. You can't do it till Cisco comes back.
I agree completely that Beno bailed Tyreke out this game. We wouldn't have won with-out Beno playing as he did.
With that said, the Evans/Greene backcourt did very well in the first half. I think the team got a little complacent at the start of the third (and we failed to convert on a number of easy opportunities), and Westphal only had the Evans/Greene paired together for about 4 minutes into the 3rd quarter before going to the reserves, and we never saw those two together as the 1/2 for the rest of the game.

I agree that Tyreke does try to do too much at times, and it can hurt the offensive flow of the game. It's something he's going to have to continue to work on, to pick his spots. With that said, Sergio can basically come in and help facilitate the offense if necessary, which is one of the reasons we brought him over in the trade. So if you actually have the opportunity to trade Beno then you should do so, as you've got Sergio waiting in the wings who can help in the same manner as Beno, but at a fraction of the financial cost/commitment.
 
#21
I do trust Beno. Can't believe I just said that, after last year...

But his turnaround is amazing so far. I think a big reason is that he no longer has to push the ball up the court and be the "savior", it is all too clear that he isn't that guy. Tyreke can be that player. Beno can run around the floor without having to be held accountable for the flow of offense. This seems to open up Beno's game; he has an excellent pull up jumper a little inside outside free throw distance. He can exploit the other team for layups. These are offensive elements that bring different elements to the Kings offense. These are unique offensive skills that make us better offensively.

If we traded him, I would be afraid that we'd lose our offensive spark. We would have no backup at point, and that could be a disaster.

This year it seems that Beno's contract isn't so bad after all...it may turn out to be a fairly good one!
 
#22
I agree completely that Beno bailed Tyreke out this game. We wouldn't have won with-out Beno playing as he did.
With that said, the Evans/Greene backcourt did very well in the first half. I think the team got a little complacent at the start of the third (and we failed to convert on a number of easy opportunities), and Westphal only had the Evans/Greene paired together for about 4 minutes into the 3rd quarter before going to the reserves, and we never saw those two together as the 1/2 for the rest of the game.

I agree that Tyreke does try to do too much at times, and it can hurt the offensive flow of the game. It's something he's going to have to continue to work on, to pick his spots. With that said, Sergio can basically come in and help facilitate the offense if necessary, which is one of the reasons we brought him over in the trade. So if you actually have the opportunity to trade Beno then you should do so, as you've got Sergio waiting in the wings who can help in the same manner as Beno, but at a fraction of the financial cost/commitment.
Not true. Sergio cannot play like Beno. I am a fan of Sergio, but all he does is run fast, play with a lot of energy, and pass. He is not a scorer, and he cannot stack up with Beno's play.
 
#23
Sergio is not a rookie, but he's only 23. He's still too young and still have a lot of time to improve his weakness and become a very good PG.

Of course I say it as a spanish fan who want Sergio to play as much PT as possible, but I really think if he improves his D enough to stop being dangerous to have him on court, he can be a very trustable pass-first PG. He can't shot like Beno and is not the same tipe of guard, but he could make double digits in points/assists easily if he gets 20-25 minutes. He made 7 assists in only 18 minutes against Memphis...
 
#24
seriously guys, Player of the Game was Kenny Thomas!!!! :p He was 3/3 fg, and had 7 points. I don't know where he suddenly got this offensive surge but it was fun to watch.
 
#25
Beno deserves to be playing as much as possible. Yes, his turnaround this year has been truly amazing! One of the things that I have noticed is how much weight he has lost compared to last year. It's like he truly came to play this year, and it's a welcome sight to behold!! :eek:
 

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#26
Trade Beno

When I see a lot of favorable posts on Beno, I know it's time to trade him. His trade value is finally up! He's not a long term answer as a starter or a backup. He's just not athletic enough. Basically, he's a 6'3" non-play making guard who is not all that athletic. Eventually, he needs to be replaced with a much more athletic player. Congrats to Westphal and Co. in increasing his trade value. Now it's Petrie's move...
 

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#27
Greene

Does anyone have a speculation on why Greene got so few minutes in this game? I thought he played very well in the first quarter, and then except for a few minutes at the beginning of the second half, he was on the bench. If Greene is going to get this many minutes with the existing lineup, I just wonder what's going to happen when Kevin and Garcia come back?
 
#28
Does anyone have a speculation on why Greene got so few minutes in this game? I thought he played very well in the first quarter, and then except for a few minutes at the beginning of the second half, he was on the bench. If Greene is going to get this many minutes with the existing lineup, I just wonder what's going to happen when Kevin and Garcia come back?
I have the same question. I think we have something very special in Donte Greene; I definitely don't want to lose it!
 
#30
Does anyone have a speculation on why Greene got so few minutes in this game? I thought he played very well in the first quarter, and then except for a few minutes at the beginning of the second half, he was on the bench. If Greene is going to get this many minutes with the existing lineup, I just wonder what's going to happen when Kevin and Garcia come back?
New Jersey was using full court press to force the Kings to initiate their offense later in the shot clock. Dante isn't a prolific ball handler, so I think Coach Westphal took him out to put in more pure guards to break the press. Omri also played well, and coach W was riding the hot hand.
 
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