Yahoo reporting Minnesota has signed Sessions to an offer sheet

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I didnt really care to see the Kings sign him anyway. As mentioned before why try to acquire a point guard when you just attained 2 new ones that havent even played for the team yet? What kind of a GM adds 3 point guards in one off season when one of the teams biggest issues is rebounding and interior defense? A very silly GM. If we did sign Sessions then Sergio would have been a total waste of a contract. Save money and see how your draft pick fairs Petrie, you da man! I know you'll read this...lol...
This team has a ton of needs... It will be apparent when we throw the current roster to the wolves.. Sorry, but this team doesn't excite me at all. Well most of the players on this team don't excite me. Sucks to love a team but not the scouts, GM, players, owners, and announcers =/

At least with my Bengals I only hate the owner lol.. Mike Brown is what's wrong with football.
 
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This team has a ton of needs... It will be apparent when we throw the current roster to the wolves.. Sorry, but this team doesn't excite me at all. Well most of the players on this team don't excite me. Sucks to love a team but not the scouts, GM, players, owners, and announcers =/

At least with my Bengals I only hate the owner lol.. Mike Brown is what's wrong with football.
Care to address any other part of my post other than the one small fragment of a sentence? Id like to think a good point was made, maybe even 2.
 

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What kind of a GM adds 3 point guards in one off season when one of the teams biggest issues is rebounding and interior defense?
David Kahn? (OK, they technically didn't add Rubio, or Lawson, or Calathes, and their big men are pretty good rebounders. But the germ of it is there.)
 
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David Kahn? (OK, they technically didn't add Rubio, or Lawson, or Calathes, and their big men are pretty good rebounders. But the germ of it is there.)
yeah, i was anout to say all they had was flynn... lawson was traded to the nuggets and rubio is staying in spain. the wolves need a center so that they can play jefferson at pf where he belongs. they should make a trade for one of the bobcats extra centers...

the kings have a ton of needs but none of them have been addressed. though we havent seen the current group on the court together but short of a miracle they will not be very good. fans would be fooling themselves to think that we have a competitive team as is.... they might compete from game to game and keep them close but wont win any games.

petrie said that we need to get tougher but we have no back up center and our back up pf is addicted to donuts... this should be awesome. im with gary, this team doesnt excite me.... its like getting a sweater for christmas when you were a kid... that might be okay if you live in a place thats cold but i live in los angeles.... so thats the worst thing in the world to get for christmas.
 
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exactly, so you agree with me? :D

its been a decade since jwill was drafted, he was exciting but erract at times throwing all kinds of crazy passes... but besides him, which point guards have played for this team with great or even really good court vision? i loved having bibby on this team, he was a good pg... but seriously, he wasnt on the same level as chris paul. he owned steve nash but nash is still a much better passer.... he sees the floor a lot better than bibby ever would.

c'mon, it was a fairly accurate comparison....
Yes, because it's just so easy to acquire a chris paul or steve nash quality point guard. Considering they didn't have a draft pick higher than 7 until last year, I'd say Petrie did fairly good to man the PG position for a team that was top 5 for at least a couple years.

Are you saying Sessions is the answer and he's as good as Nash and Paul? Just wondering.
 
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Yes, because it's just so easy to acquire a chris paul or steve nash quality point guard. Considering they didn't have a draft pick higher than 7 until last year, I'd say Petrie did fairly good to man the PG position for a team that was top 5 for at least a couple years.

Are you saying Sessions is the answer and he's as good as Nash and Paul? Just wondering.
ugh... maybe you should re-read my post.... i wasnt comparing sessions to paul, nor was i saying that he was as good as paul. it is easy to acquire a steve nash or chris paul quality pg but we drafted tyreke evans(thats all i will say about that).

i was actually comparing bibby to paul and nash, not as players but as distributors... since bibby was the besat pg that we've had on this team since petrie took over as gm.... jwill was a better passer but bibby was a better pg. i was originally joking about how petries vision for this team was as bad as his pg's court vision because we havent had a pg with stellar court vision or passing skills in almost a decade.

sergio is probably the best distributor we've had since webber was traded and thats a damn shame because sergio hasnt played a single game for yet and petrie passed on sergio to draft douby.

now that i think about it, players with the two skills that we lack the most are the 2 skills that petrie cant seem to draft. rebounding and passing... i guess shotblocking can be added as well but i'd rather have a good rebounder than shot blocker, maybe shot blocking can be added with rebounding. so rebounging/shotblocking and passing... that sounds cool.

what was douby's issue? he wasnt a point guard, poor passer, poor court vision... martin is one dimensional, he's a great scorer but a weak passer and rebounder even for a sg. garcia is an okay passer for his position i guess but he's so erratic at times and isnt the answer for our passing woes. hawes was considered a weak rebounder and shot blocker, same goes for thompson. how many of you see either hawes or thompson being top rebounder or shot blockers in this league?

yeah...
 
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ugh... maybe you should re-read my post.... i wasnt comparing sessions to paul, nor was i saying that he was as good as paul. it is easy to acquire a steve nash or chris paul quality pg but we drafted tyreke evans(thats all i will say about that)...
Chris Paul is the best point guard in the world and Steve Nash was the best point guard in the world. How is it easy to acquire a player who is the best at their position in the entire world? Those players are rare. I think i know what youre inferring. Youre hinting that Rubio is on the level of Chris Paul or Steve Nash and that we could have easily taken him. lol...
 
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I didnt really care to see the Kings sign him anyway. As mentioned before why try to acquire a point guard when you just attained 2 new ones that havent even played for the team yet? What kind of a GM adds 3 point guards in one off season when one of the teams biggest issues is rebounding and interior defense? A very silly GM. If we did sign Sessions then Sergio would have been a total waste of a contract. Save money and see how your draft pick fairs Petrie, you da man! I know you'll read this...lol...
If the Kings had signed Sessions it would have been with the idea of playing Evens at SG IMO. That would mean the eventual trade of martin would come sometime during the next year. While that would directly help the Kings interior defense, it would have indirectly helped it by shoring up their perimeter defense. I honestly don't think the Kings interior defense is as bad as it looked last year. I think their bigger problem is that neither Beno or Martin even slowed down the guards on the other teams last season. This caused the whole defense to break down. Throw in the fact that Beno rarely switched back off the a big man after the first switch, and it hurt the overall defense even more.

I am not saying that the Kings don't need to shore up their interior defense by any means. I am only asserting that actually playing some perimeter defense will greatly help the interior defense. I think that is how Evens is going to help this team the most (not his scoring).
 
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ugh... maybe you should re-read my post.... i wasnt comparing sessions to paul, nor was i saying that he was as good as paul. it is easy to acquire a steve nash or chris paul quality pg but we drafted tyreke evans(thats all i will say about that).
If you think that getting a PG like Nash or Paul is easy, then you are delusional. I know you are probably insinuating that we could have drafted Rubio, but that leads to other assumptions on your part. You assume that he would have come over and played this season for the Kings (which is probably 50/50, but we will never know). You are also assuming that he will become a player that will eventually be one of the best PGs in the NBA. I think that is much more than a reach based on what we have been able to see of him so far.

Of course, all this is why it is NOT easy to acquire a top quality PG. You have to base your predictions on a small amount of games played against varying degrees of talent. I have lost count of how many PGs have come into the draft as "future stars" that never came close to reaching that goal. Some had nice careers as starters, some became backups, and other were out of the league within 3 years. If it were easy to predict who would become stars, you wouldn't see about 60% of lottery picks bust every year.
 
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Care to address any other part of my post other than the one small fragment of a sentence? Id like to think a good point was made, maybe even 2.
Well I didn't want to go down the whole "we didn't obtain 2 PGs" road.. Just didn't want to start another Tyreke isn't a PG argument ;)
 
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If the Kings had signed Sessions it would have been with the idea of playing Evens at SG IMO. That would mean the eventual trade of martin would come sometime during the next year. While that would directly help the Kings interior defense, it would have indirectly helped it by shoring up their perimeter defense. I honestly don't think the Kings interior defense is as bad as it looked last year. I think their bigger problem is that neither Beno or Martin even slowed down the guards on the other teams last season. This caused the whole defense to break down. Throw in the fact that Beno rarely switched back off the a big man after the first switch, and it hurt the overall defense even more.

I am not saying that the Kings don't need to shore up their interior defense by any means. I am only asserting that actually playing some perimeter defense will greatly help the interior defense. I think that is how Evens is going to help this team the most (not his scoring).
Which would have made me upset too.. Not because of the acquisition of Sessions, but the thought of losing Martin. It would also give me the heeby jeebys because we would have almost no outside shooting if Evans and Sessions were to start here. Teams could play a zone, and Evans doesn't do so well against zone defenses. Ask Flynn :).

Either way, having thought about it for a while, a Sessions deal wouldn't have made us much better. Plus the whole 3pt shooting thing.. Having both your guards pretty much sucking at the 3pt line makes it much easier for the opposing team to defend you. The only way I would want Sessions here is if Evans found another home.
 
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Which would have made me upset too.. Not because of the acquisition of Sessions, but the thought of losing Martin. It would also give me the heeby jeebys because we would have almost no outside shooting if Evans and Sessions were to start here. Teams could play a zone, and Evans doesn't do so well against zone defenses. Ask Flynn :).

Either way, having thought about it for a while, a Sessions deal wouldn't have made us much better. Plus the whole 3pt shooting thing.. Having both your guards pretty much sucking at the 3pt line makes it much easier for the opposing team to defend you. The only way I would want Sessions here is if Evans found another home.
I tend to agree with you, which is why I think that the front office decided to stick with what we have rather than go after Sessions. Tyreke's defense at PG should help out our overall defense in the long run. And if Westphal can get all the starters (other than Martin) to play defense, then they should be able to compensate for his lack of defense. There was just no way to compensate for both Martin and Beno's lack of defense last year. Now if Martin would play defense too, that would be even better. I won't hold my breathe on that one though.
 
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hawes was considered a weak rebounder and shot blocker, same goes for thompson. how many of you see either hawes or thompson being top rebounder or shot blockers in this league?

yeah...
Who would you have drafted over Hawes and Thompson? I can seen an argument for Randolph over Thompson, but who else do you think Petrie could have drafted that would have solved our problems? I'm certainly not trying to be a Petrie apologist, but you have to be realistic here.
 
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If you think that getting a PG like Nash or Paul is easy, then you are delusional. I know you are probably insinuating that we could have drafted Rubio, but that leads to other assumptions on your part. You assume that he would have come over and played this season for the Kings (which is probably 50/50, but we will never know). You are also assuming that he will become a player that will eventually be one of the best PGs in the NBA. I think that is much more than a reach based on what we have been able to see of him so far.

Of course, all this is why it is NOT easy to acquire a top quality PG. You have to base your predictions on a small amount of games played against varying degrees of talent. I have lost count of how many PGs have come into the draft as "future stars" that never came close to reaching that goal. Some had nice careers as starters, some became backups, and other were out of the league within 3 years. If it were easy to predict who would become stars, you wouldn't see about 60% of lottery picks bust every year.
ugh, how long did it take nash to become the nash we see today or 2 years ago i suppose? like 6 or 8 years... nash wasnt an mvp caliber player with the mavs, he was the other guy in mike bibby highlights... and wasnt he picked like 15th in the 96 draft, one pick after petrie drafted peja.... like i said, its easy to get players like that but petrie passed on him to draft a player that can shoot and do nothing else.... sound familiar?

yeah im talking about douby....in 2006 we couldve drafted rondo, sergio or farmar. jose calderon went undrafted in 2005 and we picked garcia a year after picking martin. we didnt need both of them, luckily for us garcia is a team player that doesnt mind coming off the bench.

so lets break it down...

1996-passed on nash for peja
2001-passed on tony parker and gilbert arenas for gerald wallace
*2002-passed on boozer to draft dan dickau. damn we had nothing to lose with that pick. webbers knee going out that year wouldve been a little easier to deal with.
2005-passed on calderon for garcia
2006-passed on rondo, sergio and farmar for douby
*2009-i'm not even going to get into that....

we passed on 4 all stars, 3 of which are point guards.... rondo might be an all star this season... they are easier to obtain than one might assume.
 
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Who would you have drafted over Hawes and Thompson? I can seen an argument for Randolph over Thompson, but who else do you think Petrie could have drafted that would have solved our problems? I'm certainly not trying to be a Petrie apologist, but you have to be realistic here.
i like hawes... thompson is cool too... but i was just pointing out that they do fit that mold. i had no problems with drafting hawes and yeah randolph wouldve been a nice pick up. but im not sweating that, there were no pg's available with those picks.... and we really needed big men. a 7ft center and 6'11 pf is always a good pick up if they are skilled players which both of them are.
 
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ugh, how long did it take nash to become the nash we see today or 2 years ago i suppose? like 6 or 8 years... nash wasnt an mvp caliber player with the mavs, he was the other guy in mike bibby highlights... and wasnt he picked like 15th in the 96 draft, one pick after petrie drafted peja.... like i said, its easy to get players like that but petrie passed on him to draft a player that can shoot and do nothing else.... sound familiar?

yeah im talking about douby....in 2006 we couldve drafted rondo, sergio or farmar. jose calderon went undrafted in 2005 and we picked garcia a year after picking martin. we didnt need both of them, luckily for us garcia is a team player that doesnt mind coming off the bench.

so lets break it down...

1996-passed on nash for peja
2001-passed on tony parker and gilbert arenas for gerald wallace
*2002-passed on boozer to draft dan dickau. damn we had nothing to lose with that pick. webbers knee going out that year wouldve been a little easier to deal with.
2005-passed on calderon for garcia
2006-passed on rondo, sergio and farmar for douby
*2009-i'm not even going to get into that....

we passed on 4 all stars, 3 of which are point guards.... rondo might be an all star this season... they are easier to obtain than one might assume.
I see that you completely missed my point, so I will try once again to see if I can get through. If it was "easy", Nash wouldn't have falled to 15th in the draft. Parker wouldn't have been the final pick of the first round. Boozer and Arenas wouldn't have fallen into the second round, and Calderon wouldn't have gone undrafted. I won't bother with Sergio or Farmar because they haven't done enough to merit commenting on.

My whole point was that EVERY draft if filled with players that are supposed to be stars, but never amount to anything. However, there are almost always 2-5 players in every draft that become much better players than anyone expected. For every player you point out that the Kings passed over to draft someone else, I can probably point out 3-5 players taken in front of them that turned out to be worse players than the one the Kings selected.
 
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I see that you completely missed my point, so I will try once again to see if I can get through. If it was "easy", Nash wouldn't have falled to 15th in the draft. Parker wouldn't have been the final pick of the first round. Boozer and Arenas wouldn't have fallen into the second round, and Calderon wouldn't have gone undrafted. I won't bother with Sergio or Farmar because they haven't done enough to merit commenting on.

My whole point was that EVERY draft if filled with players that are supposed to be stars, but never amount to anything. However, there are almost always 2-5 players in every draft that become much better players than anyone expected. For every player you point out that the Kings passed over to draft someone else, I can probably point out 3-5 players taken in front of them that turned out to be worse players than the one the Kings selected.
im just saying that they have been available for us to pick. thats what i was originally trying to say. i understand that there are players that exceed their expectations, our own kevin martin is proof of that. i mentioned farmar and sergio because if we had drafted either one we wouldnt have re-signed beno... or at least not to such a huge contract. farmar does have a championship ring just like rondo, that has to be worth something. beno has 2 but he sucks...
 

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1996-passed on nash for peja
2001-passed on tony parker and gilbert arenas for gerald wallace
*2002-passed on boozer to draft dan dickau. damn we had nothing to lose with that pick. webbers knee going out that year wouldve been a little easier to deal with.
2005-passed on calderon for garcia
2006-passed on rondo, sergio and farmar for douby
*2009-i'm not even going to get into that....

we passed on 4 all stars, 3 of which are point guards.... rondo might be an all star this season... they are easier to obtain than one might assume.
The whole "we passed up on so-and-so in the draft" is probably the single most tired argument out there. There are several reasons for this. As Telemachus pointed out, the problem lies not in having a future star available at your draft pick, but rather in being able to identify future stars before they have played a few years in the league.

But what I think is even worse about the argument is that no other teams are ever held accountable for passing on the guys we passed on. It's as if we're supposed to be perfect in identifying future stars, but the rest of the league is given a pass. But that's hardly fair. So, as an exercise in 20/20 hindsight, let's see what would have happened were ALL teams perfect in identifying future talent (in terms of career win shares):

1996: We would not be complaining about how soft Peja was. Nor would we be worried about having let Nash go by. Instead, we'd be complaining about what a blockhead Antoine Walker was.

2001: We wouldn't need to complain about letting Gerald Wallace go in the expansion draft, because he'd never have fallen to us. Of course, Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas wouldn't have, either. Rather we would have less-than-fond memories of Michael Bradley, especially since we got him back in the Webber trade only a year after we had dumped him off on Philly in the first place.

2002: We technically didn't pick Dickau, as we selected him for the Hawks, cashing in a future first-round pick that we owed. But, had we decided to hold on to that pick in our GMs-of-infinite-wisdom draft, we wouldn't have passed on Boozer because he'd have been long gone. No, rather we'd all have blithely forgotten about Chris Jeffries.

2005: Instead of debating whether Garcia should be a starter, a sixth man, or used as a value piece in a trade, we'd be rejoicing that Antoine Wright's contract just ended and we freed up some salary.

2006: While Douby was a nothing pick, we would have done only a bit better by taking Shawne Williams as the BPA. No guarantee that Williams would have had his final year picked up any more than Douby did. No Rajon Rondo in sight, of course.

And of course, you didn't mention 2004, but instead of complaining about Kevin Martin's poor perimeter D, we'd be cursing the fact that we couldn't take anybody better than Robert Swift that year.

The point is that if one has the integrity to hold the rest of the league to the same standard one is holding us to, the argument falls apart, because the vast majority of the all-stars we "passed on" wouldn't have been around for our pick in the first place.

Now, I know that this little exercise isn't going to stop people from using the we-didn't-draft-so-and-so argument. But hey, at least it makes me feel a bit better to point out just how poor of an argument it is.
 
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ugh, how long did it take nash to become the nash we see today or 2 years ago i suppose? like 6 or 8 years... nash wasnt an mvp caliber player with the mavs, he was the other guy in mike bibby highlights... and wasnt he picked like 15th in the 96 draft, one pick after petrie drafted peja.... like i said, its easy to get players like that but petrie passed on him to draft a player that can shoot and do nothing else.... sound familiar?

yeah im talking about douby....in 2006 we couldve drafted rondo, sergio or farmar. jose calderon went undrafted in 2005 and we picked garcia a year after picking martin. we didnt need both of them, luckily for us garcia is a team player that doesnt mind coming off the bench.

so lets break it down...

1996-passed on nash for peja
2001-passed on tony parker and gilbert arenas for gerald wallace
*2002-passed on boozer to draft dan dickau. damn we had nothing to lose with that pick. webbers knee going out that year wouldve been a little easier to deal with.
2005-passed on calderon for garcia
2006-passed on rondo, sergio and farmar for douby
*2009-i'm not even going to get into that....

we passed on 4 all stars, 3 of which are point guards.... rondo might be an all star this season... they are easier to obtain than one might assume.
Its less of a case of us passing on all those players than it is the teams that drafted them getting lucky. Also, Farmar is trash. Dont let your laker buddies tell you any different. Just because douby is trash doesnt mean Farmar isnt also. None of the players you mentioned were a top pick therefor you could make the case that every GM in the NBA that didnt draft any of those players are also morons. That simply isnt the case. This makes your arguement unfair.
 
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Its less of a case of us passing on all those players than it is the teams that drafted them getting lucky. Also, Farmar is trash. Dont let your laker buddies tell you any different. Just because douby is trash doesnt mean Farmar isnt also. None of the players you mentioned were a top pick therefor you could make the case that every GM in the NBA that didnt draft any of those players are also morons. That simply isnt the case. This makes your arguement unfair.
like i said, i mentioned farmar because had we drafted him we would have signed beno to that horrible contract that he has today. he's a career back up thats for sure but he is a better option at back up pg than beno will ever be.
 
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like i said, i mentioned farmar because had we drafted him we would have signed beno to that horrible contract that he has today. he's a career back up thats for sure but he is a better option at back up pg than beno will ever be.
He also plays with Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Phil Jackson. Reverse the roles and I'm sure Beno looks decent too.
 
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He also plays with Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Phil Jackson. Reverse the roles and I'm sure Beno looks decent too.
beno played with parker, duncan, manu, bowen and popovich.... they traded him for scraps and was immediately waived by the twolves.... farmar would look better on the spurs than beno ever did if you reverse the roles....
 
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^ it sounds like you expect the kings FO to never make a mistake. Either way, we have Evans and Rodriguez. We probably dont need Sessions and so im fine with not signing him. You'll never win by trying to make the arguement that drafting Peja was a mistake. The reasoning youre using by pointing out what players we passed on drafting could be applied to ANY teams FO.
 
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Its less of a case of us passing on all those players than it is the teams that drafted them getting lucky. Also, Farmar is trash. Dont let your laker buddies tell you any different. Just because douby is trash doesnt mean Farmar isnt also. None of the players you mentioned were a top pick therefor you could make the case that every GM in the NBA that didnt draft any of those players are also morons. That simply isnt the case. This makes your arguement unfair.
That's exactly the point that Captain Factorial was making. That that it is an unfair argument. He was pointing out exactly what was wrong with the argument that says, "we should have drafted so and so, because he was available at our pick and look how good he turned out."

A long of people around here pull out that argument all the time, without any context. The Captain was giving a context, that shows the argument doesn't judge all GMs equally in their decision making.

If all GM's had recognized how good those lower picks would turn out, they would have been picked much higher and would not have been available for Petrie to draft, anyway. Basically GP is no more stupid for passing on those players than any GM with a pick higher than the Kings' pick.

Anyway, you agreeing with Captain Factorial the way I read it.
 
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3 Years at 4 mil (not counting 4th b/c player option which he will most likely opt out of) for Sessions is a steal.

However, I do believe the Kings did not make any offer whatsoever to Sessions. Any formal offer to Sessions would have been bandied around by his agent. Why? First, to drive up market value, and second, because Sessions would not want to play in Sacramento whatsoever.

We have a #4 pick guard who may be a pg, a backup pg in Rodriguez, and another in Udrih (who cannot be moved easily). What young point guard wants to fight for minutes there? In Minny, he has Flynn as his only competition.

We, similarily, did not make a move because A) we're cheap, and B) we have a glut of point guards and want to see what Evans can do.

I really think that this is going to be a mistake by our FO down the line to not have tried harder to get Sessions, at least for trade bait (Sessions and Beno for expiring) to a contender who needs a pg down the season. A quality starting guard with potential to be more for 4 mil? It's a braindead move, even if you do have 2.5 point guards.
 
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That's exactly the point that Captain Factorial was making. That that it is an unfair argument. He was pointing out exactly what was wrong with the argument that says, "we should have drafted so and so, because he was available at our pick and look how good he turned out."

A long of people around here pull out that argument all the time, without any context. The Captain was giving a context, that shows the argument doesn't judge all GMs equally in their decision making.

If all GM's had recognized how good those lower picks would turn out, they would have been picked much higher and would not have been available for Petrie to draft, anyway. Basically GP is no more stupid for passing on those players than any GM with a pick higher than the Kings' pick.

Anyway, you agreeing with Captain Factorial the way I read it.
I absolutely agree with captain factorial. Did you think i was arguing with him? I dont get it :confused:
 
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Which would have made me upset too.. Not because of the acquisition of Sessions, but the thought of losing Martin. It would also give me the heeby jeebys because we would have almost no outside shooting if Evans and Sessions were to start here. Teams could play a zone, and Evans doesn't do so well against zone defenses. Ask Flynn :).

Either way, having thought about it for a while, a Sessions deal wouldn't have made us much better. Plus the whole 3pt shooting thing.. Having both your guards pretty much sucking at the 3pt line makes it much easier for the opposing team to defend you. The only way I would want Sessions here is if Evans found another home.
Even if signing Sessions didn't make us better, it would still have given us more talent, which would make it easier to trade him (package deal or not) or someone else on the roster. If you can get a guy like Sessions for 4M per, I don't see any logical reason not to sign him.

Now obviously, I'm not saying Petrie didn't try to sign him because he probably did. I am referring specifically to your post.