Old ESPN article on Evans..
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http://www.geocities.com/sc_utahjazz/Stockton_biography.html
A little bio on Stockton, one of my all time favorite players. He could score with the best of them if he needed to. He led the NBA in 3 pt shooting at least once that I know of. He could be the dagger in the heart with only seconds left on the clock. The man was ice..
A little bio on Stockton, one of my all time favorite players. He could score with the best of them if he needed to. He led the NBA in 3 pt shooting at least once that I know of. He could be the dagger in the heart with only seconds left on the clock. The man was ice..
Never said that.. I just said a lot of the stuff I hear about Evans game isn't even from people that know what his game is all about. It's like they take it from a source of a source of a source of a source who got it from a forum somewhere from another guy who had never seen him play.
Believe me.. I look at a lot of the stuff that the "pros" write and think the same thing. But it's probably because they have to cover so many players, and I just pay attention to the players that will be drafted.. You have wonderful insight on players, bajaden, and I totally respect your position on what players can and cannot do... It's just the joebobjimbo that comes in and repeats what you say as if it's his own opinion that gets me going
Believe me.. I look at a lot of the stuff that the "pros" write and think the same thing. But it's probably because they have to cover so many players, and I just pay attention to the players that will be drafted.. You have wonderful insight on players, bajaden, and I totally respect your position on what players can and cannot do... It's just the joebobjimbo that comes in and repeats what you say as if it's his own opinion that gets me going
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Neither have you, but you seem to have some insights to what he can or can't do.......
Effective how?
Garcia is (right now) the better ball handler, can see the court better, can run the offense better, can "thread the needle" better.. Evans is better apt to guard opposing PGs because of his lower center of gravity and longer arms, but Garcia is no slouch on defense. I would say Evans has a much better inside game that Garcia, but Garcia beats Evans on the mid range, and outside game. Garcia has experience playing PG in spurts and hasn't been horrible has he?
My whole point is that I don't think anyone wants to put Garcia in at PG full time, yet Garcia has more of the traditional PG skills than Evans does. In spurts is fine.. And if Evans learned how to play PG in those spurts I would welcome him at PG and would type "I was wrong" until my fingers bled.
Garcia is (right now) the better ball handler, can see the court better, can run the offense better, can "thread the needle" better.. Evans is better apt to guard opposing PGs because of his lower center of gravity and longer arms, but Garcia is no slouch on defense. I would say Evans has a much better inside game that Garcia, but Garcia beats Evans on the mid range, and outside game. Garcia has experience playing PG in spurts and hasn't been horrible has he?
My whole point is that I don't think anyone wants to put Garcia in at PG full time, yet Garcia has more of the traditional PG skills than Evans does. In spurts is fine.. And if Evans learned how to play PG in those spurts I would welcome him at PG and would type "I was wrong" until my fingers bled.
As much as I hated Stockton after the first round exit the first year we made the playoffs, I couldn't stay mad at him. He's my all time favorite PG. I know if he wanted to he could have put up 20 a game easy while still dishing out more than 10 assists a game. But I think the people making the top 50 list knew that as well.
One of my greatest Kings moments is when I got a free ticket to go with my dad to watch the last game Stockton played in Arco. The fans really let him have it with a long standing ovation. One of the true greats of the game.
One of my greatest Kings moments is when I got a free ticket to go with my dad to watch the last game Stockton played in Arco. The fans really let him have it with a long standing ovation. One of the true greats of the game.
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maybe once or twice, but i couldnt see stockton being a 20ppg scorer for his career... no matter how hard he tried. a season or two is totally possible. but i dont see how he couldve been a 20ppg scorer in this league for an extended period of time.
he really is what i would want as a pg for this team but thats kinda obvious. you cant go wrong with stockton as a pg. no matter what team you root for stockton would be the ideal pg for that team...
he really is what i would want as a pg for this team but thats kinda obvious. you cant go wrong with stockton as a pg. no matter what team you root for stockton would be the ideal pg for that team...
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better player is debatable.... but better pg, definitely... hands down, without a doubt. minny is a prime example of drafting the best player available with a total disregard for position... we took evans, the best player available at #5 was rubio... but the best player available at #6 was flynn. he really was the best player available at 6, he proved himself as much if not more than anyother player drafted after him. but now minny has 2 pgs taken one after the other. they cant play together because they are both pure pgs neither is a sg and neither has the size to guard a sg. though rubio is 6'4.... but he is as pure a pg as you'll find in that draft.
the wolves couldve had the best draft if they had picked the best player available and a player they needed based on position. but they took rubio and flynn to hell with logic or team needs they took the 2 best players available. i wouldnt be surprised if they made the trade for the wizards pick to take flynn and evans. they probably thought that we would take rubio, who here didnt think that we would take rubio? unknown foreign player drafted by the kings, sounds about right. look at omri casspi...
the wolves couldve had the best draft if they had picked the best player available and a player they needed based on position. but they took rubio and flynn to hell with logic or team needs they took the 2 best players available. i wouldnt be surprised if they made the trade for the wizards pick to take flynn and evans. they probably thought that we would take rubio, who here didnt think that we would take rubio? unknown foreign player drafted by the kings, sounds about right. look at omri casspi...
Never said that.. I just said a lot of the stuff I hear about Evans game isn't even from people that know what his game is all about. It's like they take it from a source of a source of a source of a source who got it from a forum somewhere from another guy who had never seen him play.
Believe me.. I look at a lot of the stuff that the "pros" write and think the same thing. But it's probably because they have to cover so many players, and I just pay attention to the players that will be drafted.. You have wonderful insight on players, bajaden, and I totally respect your position on what players can and cannot do... It's just the joebobjimbo that comes in and repeats what you say as if it's his own opinion that gets me going
Believe me.. I look at a lot of the stuff that the "pros" write and think the same thing. But it's probably because they have to cover so many players, and I just pay attention to the players that will be drafted.. You have wonderful insight on players, bajaden, and I totally respect your position on what players can and cannot do... It's just the joebobjimbo that comes in and repeats what you say as if it's his own opinion that gets me going
I think the wors't thing anyone can do is to go just by the draft board. The only one that I give credence to is Draftexpress, because I think they do their homework. But in the end, I think they try and pick who they think the team will pick, not necessarily the best player at that spot. Which they probably should. Anyway, Peace!!
Aries mi amigo. Please, what did I say. I said he could score if he was needed. He happened to blessed with other players that could score. But I'll tell you this. If they would have needed Stockton to score 20 a game he could have done it. And when the game was on the line, the only player on thier team that scared me to death was Stockton. As I said, he had icewater in his veins.. He also was one tough SOB. Some liked to call him a dirty player. But I call him tough.
Were I the coach, I'd try different people in different positions and see who worked out best. I know that Garcia was pretty awful filling in at PG before we got Beno, but Evans is still untested, and while we know that Rodriguez is a pretty decent PG, he's never played with our guys before, or for our coach before. And there's always Beno, too... who knows? Maybe he'll start feeling motivated again.
So I guess I'd consider the starting PG position to be up for grabs. I doubt that Garcia'd have a real shot at it, but I wouldn't ban anyone from trying.
So I guess I'd consider the starting PG position to be up for grabs. I doubt that Garcia'd have a real shot at it, but I wouldn't ban anyone from trying.
Exactly...you pick someone that could be an all star, an impact player.
As a GM do you skip on a person you believe to have a big impact on the team with potential to be an all star for a position you need?
I understand you don't think Evans could be an impact player but some of us do. Neither is right or wrong but I still don't understand why people still grieve over the pick without giving Evans a chance. Especially now that he is a Kings.
I agreed we do need a pg and so does everyone in Kings land. But hell just like your previous quote, you pick someone that possibly can be an all star even if he's not playing the position you need. If Evans play well you get more options to do something next year. Evans may not be "pure PG" whatever that mean, he is capable of playing PG and more (just my opinion). But of course only time will tell. I rather be hopeful than grieve over the draft.
As a GM do you skip on a person you believe to have a big impact on the team with potential to be an all star for a position you need?
I understand you don't think Evans could be an impact player but some of us do. Neither is right or wrong but I still don't understand why people still grieve over the pick without giving Evans a chance. Especially now that he is a Kings.
I agreed we do need a pg and so does everyone in Kings land. But hell just like your previous quote, you pick someone that possibly can be an all star even if he's not playing the position you need. If Evans play well you get more options to do something next year. Evans may not be "pure PG" whatever that mean, he is capable of playing PG and more (just my opinion). But of course only time will tell. I rather be hopeful than grieve over the draft.
People know my position on Evans. Let's just say he turns into a good SG. We swap an all star level SG for another all star level SG. It's kind of Lateral, and we will still be looking for a PG.
But we would have some trade bait in Martin. It's not like there wouldn't be anyone wanting a scorer like Martin. I would be pissed about it, but I am sure the Kings could trade him in a package that could net us a decent player.
But we would have some trade bait in Martin. It's not like there wouldn't be anyone wanting a scorer like Martin. I would be pissed about it, but I am sure the Kings could trade him in a package that could net us a decent player.
There are "all star level" players in the sense that they are somewhere around the consideration bubble for the all-star game, and then there are STAR players. If Evans becomes a SG who can create scoring at the end of contested games, and who makes an impact on defense and on the boards, it really isn't a lateral.
lol or lets just say he turns into a good point guard. Your refusal to even acknowledge that possibility is hilarious. I still dont know what would make someone think that the chances of tyreke becoming a shooting guard are greater than the chances of him remaining a point guard. Is nobody aware of what happened at Memphis? With their best player playing shooting guard the Tigers were mediocre and so was Evans. With Evans as a point guard the team became an elite team and Evans became an elite player. This isnt to say that Tyreke cant fill in as a shooting guard but it wont be his primary position. The thought of Sergio,Garcia, or Udrih starting as the point guard ahead of Evans is ABSURD. Someone actually thinks that the worst team in the NBA would start any of the previously mentioned players over their #4 pick? Keep dreaming...