Bee:Voisin has advice for the Maloofs

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http://www.sacbee.com/voisin/story/1615603.html

Voisin: Maloofs must trust in city
By Ailene Voisin
avoisin@sacbee.com
Published: Wednesday, Feb. 11, 2009 | Page 4C


We sniff around. We talk to the same people. We know the parasites from San Jose and Anaheim are salivating as the Maloofs lose millions and sweetening their respective arena deals in an attempt to lure an NBA franchise to their city. To lure OUR franchise to their city.

Like people need more grief?

Like Seattle deserved to lose the SuperSonics?

But Joe and Gavin, this is on them. They can end the angst simply by standing and shouting, by slamming the door, by reassuring a community that has hugged its professional franchise for the better part of three decades.

The Kings. Sacramento.

The Kings belong to Sacramento.

Say it out loud, again and again. The best owners in professional sports don't savor the good times and then split when the team hits its downward cycle and the economy slumps, not even under cover of needing an arena to replace the outdated, barely functioning Arco Arena.

Yes, the region desperately needs a facility.

Yes, the wait has been interminable.

Yes, mistakes have been made – by politicians who failed to lead, by the league for waiting too long to intervene, and by the Maloofs for relying on the wrong people within their organization and contributing to the toxic mix with their extended absences.

And, yes, the team stinks, but it won't always stink.

Joe and Gavin are suffering, but they have enjoyed a pretty sweet ride since purchasing majority interest from Jim Thomas in 1999. Right about the time Geoff Petrie executed a series of swift, spectacular personnel moves, the brothers from Albuquerque, N.M., swept into town and – to their everlasting credit – signed off on the acquisitions of Chris Webber, Vlade Divac, Mike Bibby, Doug Christie and Peja Stojakovic, among others.

The Kings went global on the Maloofs' watch, their willingness to spend, to upgrade the aging arena and improve concessions transforming Sacramento into a destination. Europeans can actually find California's capital on a map, and that never would have happened without the Kings and their impassioned fans, without Vlade and C-Webb and Petrie, without the Maloofs.

But come on, boys, speak up. Quality owners and civic leaders don't cut and run during the tough times, which is why I believe the Maloofs will bite their nails, swallow their losses and jump back into the new arena tussle. Joe says he loves the community, says to take him at his word. So we will. NBA Commissioner David Stern is invested heavily in formulating a viable arena proposal and says he is determined to save the franchise from the Sonics' fate. We'll take him at his word, too.

Besides, the sun will shine again. The economic crisis notwithstanding, the arena/political mood has swung for the better. Sacramento has a proactive mayor (Kevin Johnson), an engaged governor (Arnold Schwarzenegger), and with league consultant John Moag doing most of the research, has one master arena plan ready to be unveiled, with other possibilities also being discussed. (Why not a joint venture pairing the Kings and Sacramento State?)

Understand, though, that this is about survival, about patience, about preparing for the day to break ground. Arco won't remain functional much longer, so constructing a new arena is inevitable. The team is crummy too, but Petrie can take a shovel to that as well. The Maloofs, meanwhile, can aid their cause by trading the overpaid veterans for as many draft picks and expiring contracts as possible.

Then bring Pete "Coachie" Carril back next year to teach offense (cheap), summon John Whisenant to implement a defense (also cheap), and revise ticket prices to more accurately reflect the rebuilding process. The community will buy in again.

Admittedly, Sacramento's civic treasure is buried beneath sand. But the Kings can be polished off, can be bright and shiny again, provided they are served and protected in the interim.

This is Sacramento.

This is Sacramento's team.

San Jose and Anaheim can poach elsewhere.

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Amen.
 
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Amen and amen.

I got a little concerned at first when I saw the headline "Voisin has advice for..." That's never a good thing...

But this is a great article and I hope the Maloofs take notice.
 
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In the article of this morning's Bee, there was one sentence that stood out that Joe Maloof "declined" to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request. I really think the Kings will move. Its just a matter of time.
 
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In the article of this morning's Bee, there was one sentence that stood out that Joe Maloof "declined" to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request. I really think the Kings will move. Its just a matter of time.
Well, I guess we're the new Baltimore and Cleveland...cities with teams with great fan support that moved. It's a done deal, we might as well start rooting for the Las AnaDiego Kings.

edit: C'mon...it's still WAYYYYYYY to early to make any predictions about them moving...yes, things are coming to a critical mass, but it's not to a boiling point...I dont think the Maloofs will leave if Cal Expo fails, and I dont think the NBA will let them...I think we're still at least 2 arena proposals away from the 'leaving' talk. Look at San Antonio, how many tries did they have to do to get AT&T Arena??? ALOT!! And the writing was almost on the wall there too!(even with a decent economy back then, too). What it took was alot of ingeniuity and creativity to get the deal done, and in Sacramento, much like San Antonio, that's what's going to have to happen. Kevin Johnson knows this...David Stern knows this...John Moag knows this...and most importantly the MALOOFS know this!
 
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Read this:

The Spurs campaigned for several years for a new facility. The Spurs and the city had come to an agreement to build a new facility adjacent to the Alamodome, but in a last-minute reversal, the team partnered with Bexar County to construct a new arena adjacent to the Freeman Coliseum. As a part of the agreement the facility would be home to the Spurs, a new hockey team, and the San Antonio Stock Show & Rodeo Association's annual, multi-day event (the latter requiring the Spurs to engage in an extended road trip every February).

The facility would be funded through an increase of hotel and car rental taxes, and Bexar County voters approved the plan in November 1999.
From the AT&T Center Wiki page.
 

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In the article of this morning's Bee, there was one sentence that stood out that Joe Maloof "declined" to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request. I really think the Kings will move. Its just a matter of time.
So the one sentence -which pretty much says absolutely NOTHING - convinces you the Maloofs are, in fact, packing and ready to go?

wow...

Just wow...

Sorry, but I simply cannot understand why you would seize upon that and pretty much disregard everything else.

For the record? Talking with other cities, even if it had occurred, would mean less than nothing. It's a loaded question and one Joe Maloof was very, very wise to decline to answer. It's like the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" question ... there is absolutely no good answer.
 
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So the one sentence -which pretty much says absolutely NOTHING - convinces you the Maloofs are, in fact, packing and ready to go?

wow...

Just wow...

Sorry, but I simply cannot understand why you would seize upon that and pretty much disregard everything else.

For the record? Talking with other cities, even if it had occurred, would mean less than nothing. It's a loaded question and one Joe Maloof was very, very wise to decline to answer. It's like the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" question ... there is absolutely no good answer.
You quote my ONE statement just because my opinion is different than yours? Unbelievable. Maybe I'm beginning to realize the Kings won't be here. I've been "hoping" they will stay, but sometimes maybe we all have to come to realize they may leave.
 

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You quote my ONE statement just because my opinion is different than yours? Unbelievable. Maybe I'm beginning to realize the Kings won't be here. I've been "hoping" they will stay, but sometimes maybe we all have to come to realize they may leave.
I think your "one statement" comment is a bit misleading, Rock. It takes things out of context.

Here is a link to the article:

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1621883.html

Here is the text of the statement, giving a different feel than implied in your post. It also says that the Maloofs are paying for part of the study and reiterates that the Maloofs and league's involvement and the hard work being done to try get a deal done to keep the Kings in Sacramento.

During a brief phone conversation Thursday, Kings co-owner Joe Maloof brushed aside the question of whether the Kings might move, saying he is focused on what the report from Cal Expo and the NBA will show.
"I haven't seen it," he said. "I'm curious. They'll come to us when they are ready."

Joe Maloof declined to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request.

"I don't want to talk about that speculation," he said. "Right now, we are focused on trying to work on something with Sacramento.

"There is always going to be other cities coming to you, but that is not what we are here for. We've been (in Sacramento) 10 years. We have roots here. We are part of the community."
 
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You quote my ONE statement just because my opinion is different than yours? Unbelievable. Maybe I'm beginning to realize the Kings won't be here. I've been "hoping" they will stay, but sometimes maybe we all have to come to realize they may leave.
I hear what you're saying Rock, but I can guarantee you this, the Kings wont leave town on a FIZZLE, there will be a FIGHT! Especially with a guy named Kevin Johnson as our mayor. We havent begun the fight yet to KEEP the Kings, because we havent even seen what the collaberative proposal is for Cal Expo. I think once that comes out, THEN everyone will come up with a clear 'next step' as far as what to do here. If the Cal Expo proposal cant work, then I think the Maloofs and the NBA will try something else, such as right next to Arco. The city, county, mayor, NBA commish, Maloofs, and now the Governor are on board for this effort now...
 
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I think your "one statement" comment is a bit misleading, Rock. It takes things out of context.

Here is a link to the article:

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1621883.html

Here is the text of the statement, giving a different feel than implied in your post. It also says that the Maloofs are paying for part of the study and reiterates that the Maloofs and league's involvement and the hard work being done to try get a deal done to keep the Kings in Sacramento.
How is my quote misleading? I have the same quote as you do "Joe Maloof declined to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request."

We have the same quote. Yes, I did read the part that the Maloofs are paying part of the study, however, my quote is still part of the article. So, how is that mislead?
 
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I hear what you're saying Rock, but I can guarantee you this, the Kings wont leave town on a FIZZLE, there will be a FIGHT! Especially with a guy named Kevin Johnson as our mayor. We havent begun the fight yet to KEEP the Kings, because we havent even seen what the collaberative proposal is for Cal Expo. I think once that comes out, THEN everyone will come up with a clear 'next step' as far as what to do here. If the Cal Expo proposal cant work, then I think the Maloofs and the NBA will try something else, such as right next to Arco. The city, county, mayor, NBA commish, Maloofs, and now the Governor are on board for this effort now...
You guys all act like I'm not on board with this and that's where you are missing the point. The point is "if" they go and I'm using the word "if" they go, at least I'm come to my own conclusion that they may actually leave.
 

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In the article of this morning's Bee, there was one sentence that stood out that Joe Maloof "declined" to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request. I really think the Kings will move. Its just a matter of time.
This was your post. Is it factual? Yes. This does not, however, reflect the point of view of the Maloofs, the NBA, or the local representatives working on the proposal. So you can cherry-pick the one negative statement and make whatever assumptions you would like, however I think it is more fair to (at the very least) link to the article in question. Your statement makes it sound like the only thing the Maloofs said was "No comment", which clearly is not the case.
 

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You guys all act like I'm not on board with this and that's where you are missing the point. The point is "if" they go and I'm using the word "if" they go, at least I'm come to my own conclusion that they may actually leave.
Of course there is a chance the team could eventually leave if no arena deal is struck. We all acknowledge that.
 
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This was your post. Is it factual? Yes. This does not, however, reflect the point of view of the Maloofs, the NBA, or the local representatives working on the proposal. So you can cherry-pick the one negative statement and make whatever assumptions you would like, however I think it is more fair to (at the very least) link to the article in question. Your statement makes it sound like the only thing the Maloofs said was "No comment", which clearly is not the case.
Of course, that is NOT the only quote, in the article, however, it was the ONLY quote that struck a cord with ME thinking the Kings could move. Therefore, I came to realize maybe they would move. Its more of MY OWN OPINION and I just wanted to comment on it. It was more of talking out loud to myself.
 
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The Kings Moving Out of Sacramento would be terrible and a huge let down... but if they moved to Anaheim I'll be honest and say that I'd cheer up real quick... I live in LB. 15mins away.
 

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Of course, that is NOT the only quote, in the article, however, it was the ONLY quote that struck a cord with ME thinking the Kings could move. Therefore, I came to realize maybe they would move. Its more of MY OWN OPINION and I just wanted to comment on it. It was more of talking out loud to myself.
I realize that, but the impression you leave, by not quoting the qrticle (or even linking to it), is that the article leaves that impression when it really doesn't. In the future, at least link to the article so everyone can read what you are referring to.
 
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I realize that, but the impression you leave, by not quoting the qrticle (or even linking to it), is that the article leaves that impression when it really doesn't. In the future, at least link to the article so everyone can read what you are referring to.
I figured everyone would go to the bee, like you did. Also, I was told I could not link Sacramento Bee's article.
 

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I figured everyone would go to the bee, like you did. Also, I was told I could not link Sacramento Bee's article.
You can always link to the article, it is just the wholesale copying and pasting of articles that they don't like. Quoting a sentence or two is allowed. And not everyone would know which article or blog or whatever you might be reading from.....
 
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You can always link to the article, it is just the wholesale copying and pasting of articles that they don't like. Quoting a sentence or two is allowed. And not everyone would know which article or blog or whatever you might be reading from.....
Well, considering I said

In the article of this morning's Bee, there was one sentence that stood out that Joe Maloof "declined" to say whether team representatives have talked with other cities recently or whether the Kings are considering filing a relocation request. I really think the Kings will move. Its just a matter of time.
I figured everyone could tell where I quoted the article from.
 

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You quote my ONE statement just because my opinion is different than yours? Unbelievable. Maybe I'm beginning to realize the Kings won't be here. I've been "hoping" they will stay, but sometimes maybe we all have to come to realize they may leave.
I quoted your statement because you're the one that brought up an article and picked one pretty worthless sentence to discuss, out of context, as though it was some kind of obvious indication the Maloofs were refusing to answer the question because they had something to hide.

You're beginning to realize the Kings won't be here? Hrm... Interesting. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Rock. I'm fully aware of the possibility that at some future point in time the Maloofs might actually weigh some options, but I refuse to buy into the notion that it's actively under consideration right now OR that just because someone from the Bee asks a question that declining to answer it has a sinister meaning.

Joe and Gavin have done just about everything they possibly can to try and assure the fans that they are NOT in a hurry to move the team. I think it's ludicrous of the Bee to continue to act as though the Maloofs are hiding the truth and that they're actually sneaking around trying to figure a way to get out of town in the dead of night.

A team doesn't pull out of a town just because attendance declines when the product isn't very good. A team doesn't pull out of a town without a lot of discussion. Talking with people from other towns isn't illegal and it certainly doesn't commit the Maloofs to anything - even if it were confirmed they had spoken with someone, which it hasn't been.

So what part is unbelievable?
 
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So what part is unbelievable?
That you chose to quote MY statement because I formed MY opinion. So what if MY opinion is NOT your opinion doesn't mean I can't say HOW I feel. So what, if its DIFFERENT than YOUR opinion. Don't I have a right to form MY opiniion. Isn't that what a message board is about.

You have YOUR opinion and I have NEVER quoted you because YOU have YOUR opinion. Why can't YOU do the same for me.

Or am I NOT allowed to form MY opinion. After all, if you had read all my posts in this thread, I was just commenting on how I feel about something.

That is what is Unbelievable. That I cannot make MY own opinion about something. All I said was I was just making a comment on how I feel about something. Sorry, my bad. Next time I will just agree with YOU and everyone else that thinks the Kings will be here and won't move.
 

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That you chose to quote MY statement because I formed MY opinion. So what if MY opinion is NOT your opinion doesn't mean I can't say HOW I feel. So what, if its DIFFERENT than YOUR opinion. Don't I have a right to form MY opiniion. Isn't that what a message board is about.

You have YOUR opinion and I have NEVER quoted you because YOU have YOUR opinion. Why can't YOU do the same for me.

Or am I NOT allowed to form MY opinion. After all, if you had read all my posts in this thread, I was just commenting on how I feel about something.

That is what is Unbelievable. That I cannot make MY own opinion about something. All I said was I was just making a comment on how I feel about something. Sorry, my bad. Next time I will just agree with YOU and everyone else that thinks the Kings will be here and won't move.
Look, nobody is picking on you. Don't get in a huff.

You picked one (worthless) "no comment" statement in an article discussing how hard the team, the league, and the city/Cal Expo is trying to keep the Kings here and coming up with a plan to present in a couple weeks and based your opinion on that.

No problem, but what about the other 95% of the article? Do you think one "no comment" is more important than all the comments that were made?

Feel free to disagree with anyone you like, but expect that others may disagree with you as well. I think we all agree that the Kings "could" move. But to quote that article as the source of your feelings is just confusing.
 
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Look, nobody is picking on you. Don't get in a huff.

You picked one (worthless) "no comment" statement in an article discussing how hard the team, the league, and the city/Cal Expo is trying to keep the Kings here and coming up with a plan to present in a couple weeks and based your opinion on that.

No problem, but what about the other 95% of the article? Do you think one "no comment" is more important than all the comments that were made?

Feel free to disagree with anyone you like, but expect that others may disagree with you as well. I think we all agree that the Kings "could" move. But to quote that article as the source of your feelings is just confusing.
Look, I didn't say anyone is picking on me, however, having people quote me in this thread says that I can't form MY own opinion. I don't feel my comment is NOT worthless and sorry you feel that way. I feel I simply made MY comment on something. Next time, I'll just keep MY opinion to myself. Again, my bad. Feel free to disagree on an opinion that I thought was just MY opinion. I guess its NOT ok to post MY opinion on something.

I just don't understandy why I have to defend myself on something I feel is just MY opinion.
 
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That you chose to quote MY statement because I formed MY opinion. So what if MY opinion is NOT your opinion doesn't mean I can't say HOW I feel. So what, if its DIFFERENT than YOUR opinion. Don't I have a right to form MY opiniion. Isn't that what a message board is about.

You have YOUR opinion and I have NEVER quoted you because YOU have YOUR opinion. Why can't YOU do the same for me.

Or am I NOT allowed to form MY opinion. After all, if you had read all my posts in this thread, I was just commenting on how I feel about something.

That is what is Unbelievable. That I cannot make MY own opinion about something. All I said was I was just making a comment on how I feel about something. Sorry, my bad. Next time I will just agree with YOU and everyone else that thinks the Kings will be here and won't move.
I've known you on the Internet for a very long time. I don't think anyone has ever stopped you from giving your opinion. It's one of the things I respect about you even if we don't agree that often.

Quoting one person is pretty standard fare if you're posting a dissenting view. You're awfully defensive about this for some reason and if you feel I've picked on you I apologize...

I think right now the Maloofs appreciate our belief in them that they'll do whatever they can to keep the Kings here. If you don't subscribe to that philosophy, no problem. But I do think you were putting way too much emphasis on a throwaway statement in the Bee.
 
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I've known you on the Internet for a very long time. I don't think anyone has ever stopped you from giving your opinion. It's one of the things I respect about you even if we don't agree that often.

Quoting one person is pretty standard fare if you're posting a dissenting view. You're awfully defensive about this for some reason and if you feel I've picked on you I apologize...

I think right now the Maloofs appreciate our belief in them that they'll do whatever they can to keep the Kings here. If you don't subscribe to that philosophy, no problem. But I do think you were putting way too much emphasis on a throwaway statement in the Bee.
All I was trying to do was share MY opinion on something. When I took ONE quote from the Bee, it wasn't meant to confuse anyone nor was it really meant to be discussed. It was just me sharing MY opinion.

When you share YOUR opinion on something, is it up for discussion?

Its kind of like you go outside and look up in the sky and say "wow, there sure are blue skies and I go outside and look up and see a few clouds and say "its kind of cloudy outside". Why should we discuss this? You have your opinion and I have mine. I know, this is a bad analogy and I really can't think of a better one, but hopefully, you get the drift.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative with anyone, you included. And you may be right about me putting too much emphasis on ONE worthless statement, however, it was that ONE worthless statement that struck a chord with me. Sometimes that happens. Sometime we read too much into things. But reading this article it struck a cord with me. Don't ask me why, it just did and I came here to share MY opinion. Little did I know that just sharing MY opinion would end up like this.

 
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This is a message board. People argue about opinions every minute of every day. I've apologized once... I truly do not understand where you're coming from.

Have a nice day. I'm outta this.
 
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This is a message board. People argue about opinions every minute of every day. I've apologized once... I truly do not understand where you're coming from.

Have a nice day. I'm outta this.
I NEVER said you had to apologize. Look, sometimes I'm not very good at explaining things, as obviously in this case. And I've tried my best to get my point across. Next time, I'll just keep my opinions to myself so I don't confuse anyone.

You, too, have a nice day.
 
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You quote my ONE statement just because my opinion is different than yours? Unbelievable. Maybe I'm beginning to realize the Kings won't be here. I've been "hoping" they will stay, but sometimes maybe we all have to come to realize they may leave.
This is what has always bothered me about this forum. When a perfectly valid post such as Rockmeister's is different from the so-called "conventional wisdom," everyone pounces on it like it was the plague. And I thought this was the tolerant board. Instead of discussing it rationally, Rock's post is vilified. Oh well, so much for not attacking other posters.:rolleyes: