Thank you, Joe Maloof!!!

[VF21]

I open my Sacramento Bee this morning, and there - on the very bottom of the front page - is a teaser "Kings owner snaps back." I turn to the front page of the Sports section and there it is, the story I've been wanting to see...(as linked in our New Links forum http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28096).

The article reports that Joe Maloof was reached by phone and said Artest needs to control his emotions a little better. Amick also quoted Joe with the following advice for RonRon/William: "Take a deep breath and quit flying off the handle with comments that don't make sense."

Take a minute and go read Sam Amick's article. I'll wait.



I just want to give thanks to Joe Maloof. Artest's mouth has been running for far too long. He even mentions "Mama Maloof" in some of his rants. At this point, I think the Maloof Family, as owners of the Kings AND Ron Artest's bosses, had every right to stand up and tell him basically what we've been trying to say. Will Artest listen? Of course not. But at least he cannot say he wasn't told...in pretty plain language in the same media he has been using to vent his frustrations.

Once this stupid drama is over maybe we can all get back to talking about Hawes, Thompson, Garcia, Martin, Udrih, Singletary and the rest of the guys who aren't Shakespearean tragedy characters come to life.

GO KINGS!!!

 

[tyrant]

the title of the thread is misleading. why are you thanking joe maloof? ron has recieved alot of wanted attention from the fans and press and it's frustrating for alot of members including myself. no one wants to read about this jerk. trading him will be more appreciated than asking him to silence himself. i will thank joe maloof once he seals the deal. which is what i thought this thread was about in the first place.

 

[nbrans]

Uh... thank you Joe Maloof for running your mouth as much as the guy you're criticizing?

 

[NewMonkey]

While I agree with what Joe Maloof said, I think he's making the situation worse by saying it. The Kings need to trade Artest before the situation deteriorates to the point where he can't be traded at all.

 

[tyrant]

While I agree with what Joe Maloof said, I think he's making the situation worse by saying it. The Kings need to trade Artest before the situation deteriorates to the point where he can't be traded at all.

thank you

 

[VF21]

the title of the thread is misleading. why are you thanking joe maloof? ron has recieved alot of wanted attention from the fans and press and it's frustrating for alot of members including myself. no one wants to read about this jerk. trading him will be more appreciated than asking him to silence himself. i will thank joe maloof once he seals the deal. which is what i thought this thread was about in the first place.

No, the title says exactly it should say, since I'm actually glad Joe Maloof responded by telling Artest publicly he needs to simply shut up.

You may not agree with it, but it is germane to the rest of my post, which is why titles exist.

I'm sorry you didn't understand the premise of the thread.

 

[jcassio]

Ironically, Joe is often the one who doesn't know when to shut his mouth. Whether he should have commented on Artest's latest behavior is debatable. I can see the argument from either side.

However, I think we'd all be better off if Artest would go on one of those humanitarian missions which would get his mind off the me-me-me stuff and onto the larger (& more important) humanity stuff.

 

[VF21]

While I agree with what Joe Maloof said, I think he's making the situation worse by saying it. The Kings need to trade Artest before the situation deteriorates to the point where he can't be traded at all.

Making the situation worse? You really think there are owner/GMs out there who aren't aware just how much of a distraction and frustration Ron Artest can be?

At this point, this could actually boost the feeding frenzy and offers for Artest as it's pretty obvious the Maloofs are beyond frustrated.

If anyone is going to trade for Artest, they already know the horrendous baggage he's going to be bringing along. They'll just be under the same delusion we were - that they'll be able to contain it.

I am very glad Joe Maloof used the same media Artest has been using and he showed remarkable restraint. He IS Artest's boss and he's got a right to put forth his side in the court of public opinion.

I know people will disagree but I think this is infinitely better than simply allowing Artest to continue to run off at the mouth without any kind of response.

 

[Heuge]

Making the situation worse? You really think there are owner/GMs out there who aren't aware just how much of a distraction and frustration Ron Artest can be?

At this point, this could actually boost the feeding frenzy and offers for Artest as it's pretty obvious the Maloofs are beyond frustrated.

If anyone is going to trade for Artest, they already know the horrendous baggage he's going to be bringing along. They'll just be under the same delusion we were - that they'll be able to contain it.

I am very glad Joe Maloof used the same media Artest has been using and he showed remarkable restraint. He IS Artest's boss and he's got a right to put forth his side in the court of public opinion.

I know people will disagree but I think this is infinitely better than simply allowing Artest to continue to run off at the mouth without any kind of response.

If Joe lets these last comments stand I completely agree with you. If he gets into bantering with RonBill then we have a real problem. Hopefully, the next conversation we see the Maloofs have with RonBill is the one where they say they were so grateful for all he did for our team in his few years here.

 

[tyrant]

If Joe lets these last comments stand I completely agree with you. If he gets into bantering with RonBill then we have a real problem. Hopefully, the next conversation we see the Maloofs have with RonBill is the one where they say they were so grateful for all he did for our team in his few years here.

ill toast to that. i dont want this turning into a shouting match. no one does. i dont want the ownership to lose their composure and focus. they have to be smart and do whats best for the franchise. being angry with someone can affect decision making. and i dont want them pulling off a dumb trade just to hurry and get rid of ron. WE are in the driver seat. artest had his chance to opt out and he didnt take it.

 

[Brinzotti]

I mean can't the ideas of both V21 and Tyrant be agreed with?
I think that Joe Maloof was correct in the making of his comment and it was long overdue. Owners should be allowed to make comments of this nature to their players, yet I think it is something that should be done more often.
I also think that Ron is the best overall player the Kings have, but should be traded in order to develop younger guys who could be valuable to the Kings later down the road. I think the best way to quiet ron would be to have him on a winning team. I'm sure if Kobe and KG appeared on his team he'd shut his mouth. For obvious reasons this would never happen but I can understand the frustration in wanting to win

 

[Warhawk]

I mean can't the ideas of both V21 and Tyrant be agreed with?

Uh, no. If so, the following conversation would be put to the test:

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

 

[NewMonkey]

Making the situation worse? You really think there are owner/GMs out there who aren't aware just how much of a distraction and frustration Ron Artest can be?

At this point, this could actually boost the feeding frenzy and offers for Artest as it's pretty obvious the Maloofs are beyond frustrated.

If anyone is going to trade for Artest, they already know the horrendous baggage he's going to be bringing along. They'll just be under the same delusion we were - that they'll be able to contain it.

I am very glad Joe Maloof used the same media Artest has been using and he showed remarkable restraint. He IS Artest's boss and he's got a right to put forth his side in the court of public opinion.

I know people will disagree but I think this is infinitely better than simply allowing Artest to continue to run off at the mouth without any kind of response.

Joe Maloof is goading Artest into another response. I think everything Artest says at this point hurts his trade value. The less he says, the more teams will believe they can deal with him. Joe should have been talking to Geoff Petrie about Ron's plane tickets, not to the media about Ron's behavior.

 

[Elise10]

I don't feel like Joe did anything wrong for commenting about Artest.

Artest brought up the Maloof brothers as the source of his frustration even bringing their mother into the equation. Artest brought up the firing of Rick Adelman.


Joe is just saying that Artest needs to act more rationally about the whole situation.

 

[VF21]

Joe Maloof is goading Artest into another response.

While I can see why you might think that, I think the history of the Maloofs would prove otherwise. Joe, especially, is a passionate owner and sometimes says things he really shouldn't say because of that passion. He's not playing a game or baiting Artest. He's voicing a frustration that has finally become unbearable.

I think everything Artest says at this point hurts his trade value. The less he says, the more teams will believe they can deal with him.

Sorry, but that ship sailed a LONG time ago. These antics are almost a carbon copy - without the brawl - of what Artest did in Indiana. As far as hurting his trade value goes, you can't hurt something that's already hit rock bottom. There isn't a GM in the league today who isn't well aware of the potential problems Artest would bring to his team. The only consideration at this point is whether or not dealing with him for one season would be worth it.

Joe should have been talking to Geoff Petrie about Ron's plane tickets, not to the media about Ron's behavior.

We don't know that he hasn't done that, too. The frustration is clear.

 

[tyrant]

there is only 1 thing that i agree with VF21 about. in that its much too late for artest to try and clean up his act. everyone knows he whines and he isnt a very good teammate. a team that is struggling will not take artest. he'll find his way to a championship contender and the rest cant be history soon enough

 

[Kingfanpaul]

If it really was the Maloofs idea to bring in Artest and Petrie did not want him, maybe now the Maloofs will have learned a lesson and let Geoff do his work.

 

[NewMonkey]

While I can see why you might think that, I think the history of the Maloofs would prove otherwise. Joe, especially, is a passionate owner and sometimes says things he really shouldn't say because of that passion. He's not playing a game or baiting Artest. He's voicing a frustration that has finally become unbearable.

I don't mean that Joe is intentionally goading Artest into a response, just that it's the likely result. Joe should know better.

Sorry, but that ship sailed a LONG time ago. These antics are almost a carbon copy - without the brawl - of what Artest did in Indiana. As far as hurting his trade value goes, you can't hurt something that's already hit rock bottom. There isn't a GM in the league today who isn't well aware of the potential problems Artest would bring to his team. The only consideration at this point is whether or not dealing with him for one season would be worth it.

I want Artest gone at least as bad as you do. But from the trade deadline until two weeks ago, Artest has had less than his usual number of incidents. People's memories are short, so less incidents can only help his trade value, which I think was as high as it's been as a King. These latest incidents are driving that value down.

I understand that Joe is frustrated with Artest, and rightly so. But the right response is to trade him, not to give him something else to spout off about. If we're lucky, Artest will keep his mouth shut or the Kings will announce a trade today. If we're not, Artest will respond to Joe Maloof in the worst way possible, which might take trades off the table or make Ron all but untradeable. Joe should have sat on Petrie's desk until Artest was traded, not escalated the war of words with someone who has no filter and no qualms about killing his own trade value.

 

[bajaden]

When looking back on history in regards to the Maloof's comments. Its rare for them to say anything derogatory about anyone. If they don't like someone as a person, or they're performance, or both, they tend to say nothing and distance themselves from that person. AKA Rick Adelman. They may work quietly behind the scenes to have that person removed, but publicly they tend to say very little. Unless provoked.

Artest has publicly taken, either direct, or indirect shots at Petrie, the Maloof's, and even, Moma Maloof. Considering they're past behavior, and the strength of Joe's statement, which most people would call restrained, he must be actually seething. As in biting his tounge.

I would have prefered that he do this with a privite phone call to Artest. Its possible that his anger is such, that the public statement would be done with more thought, than would a privite one. In any event, it would be hard for me to be critical of Joe Maloof for saying what he said, in light of all the statements coming out of Artest. Lets just hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible. I just can't see the Maloof's sitting at courtside rooting for Ron Artest. And I don't think thats going to happen.

 

[SacKings7]

Joe did nothing wrong by saying that IMO, even if he does have a history of saying too much. Somebody had to tell Artest to shut up, and I'm glad it was the owner of the team. He needs to be traded ASAHP

 

[kingsfan101]

I feel as fans we have to be careful in talking ourselves, and more importantly, the owners and front office into trading Artest. Yes, he should be traded. At this point, he is too much of a nuisance, and completely irrelevant to a rebuilding team, apart from what pieces he can get to us for our future.

That said, we have to be careful that we don't get to such a point that the management considers trading him for longer contracts of some semi useful vet. The blazers did it with RW earlier, trading him for SAR, despite resisting the move till the last minute.

So far, the front office has insisted on the right kind of deals; expirings, prospects, picks. If the slanging match continues, and Ron becomes too much of a distraction, there shall be pressure from the fans to trade him for just about anything. If things come to such a pass, I hope the front office shall have the spine to resist a stupid deal that passes off a long contract of a good citizen to us. I would rather that Ron is suspended with/without pay for the rest of the season instead of trading him for such a player.

 

[VF21]

So far, the front office has insisted on the right kind of deals; expirings, prospects, picks. If the slanging match continues, and Ron becomes too much of a distraction, there shall be pressure from the fans to trade him for just about anything. If things come to such a pass, I hope the front office shall have the spine to resist a stupid deal that passes off a long contract of a good citizen to us. I would rather that Ron is suspended with/without pay for the rest of the season instead of trading him for such a player.

We have NO idea what management is or isn't considering, as Geoff Petrie makes the sphinx look like a blabbermouth. We're hypothesizing and making semi-educated guesses but none of us knows for sure.

If pressure from the fans gets too great, TPTB will still do what they feel is best for the organization going forward. I'd bet almost everything I own, however, that whatever action they take is going to be sooner rather than later. They are NOT going to let this fester and stew much longer.

 

[FakeInjury]

In this case, as in most cases, any publicity is good publicity. William Artest puts sacramento "on the map" when it comes to the NBA. Without, we are defenseless to the strong media surrounding other teams. Who is going to be that guy when Artest leaves? New York has 2 media sources covering its' teams. LA is the same. All four major news outlets from those two examples find their way to Sacramento. Sacramento is great, for for farming. Lets get real, Artest should not be traded for anything less than what Artest brings to the table media wise. We have one major news print provider, the sacramento bee. 1 vs. 4, and if our newspaper is quieted or even silenced from a lack of Artest, I would not be supprised. Nobody can talk to the media like he does. He sometimes predicts things before they happen and such. This is quality entertainment, and i believe he is worth more this year than ever before. I think that his behind the scenes, after the game, before the game, on the weekend comments, are worth way more than what it would mean to have a decent youthful and talented contract with a future first round pick attached to it. Artest is worth more than we know. He draws a crowd, and he keeps them sitting. This quality is similar to Barkley's talent with the media, but has more bark and bite. Now that i compared Artest to Barkley, i want nothing less than Charles Barkley in a trade for William Artest.

 

[Gary]

Joe Maloof is goading Artest into another response. I think everything Artest says at this point hurts his trade value. The less he says, the more teams will believe they can deal with him. Joe should have been talking to Geoff Petrie about Ron's plane tickets, not to the media about Ron's behavior.

I don't think anything Ron says will affect anything anymore. It's not like there are a few GMs out there living in a cave or something. All of them know about Artest, and they all know what they are going to get if they trade for them. I don't think Artest can do anything (outside of committing a crime) that will hurt his value anymore.

 

[bajaden]

In this case, as in most cases, any publicity is good publicity. William Artest puts sacramento "on the map" when it comes to the NBA. Without, we are defenseless to the strong media surrounding other teams. Who is going to be that guy when Artest leaves? New York has 2 media sources covering its' teams. LA is the same. All four major news outlets from those two examples find their way to Sacramento. Sacramento is great, for for farming. Lets get real, Artest should not be traded for anything less than what Artest brings to the table media wise. We have one major news print provider, the sacramento bee. 1 vs. 4, and if our newspaper is quieted or even silenced from a lack of Artest, I would not be supprised. Nobody can talk to the media like he does. He sometimes predicts things before they happen and such. This is quality entertainment, and i believe he is worth more this year than ever before. I think that his behind the scenes, after the game, before the game, on the weekend comments, are worth way more than what it would mean to have a decent youthful and talented contract with a future first round pick attached to it. Artest is worth more than we know. He draws a crowd, and he keeps them sitting. This quality is similar to Barkley's talent with the media, but has more bark and bite. Now that i compared Artest to Barkley, i want nothing less than Charles Barkley in a trade for William Artest.

Well, I would love to get nothing less than Barkley for Artest, and who knows. However, I don't share your enthusiasm for the type of media coverage Artest brings. In truth, the Kings don't need more media coverage. The Maloofs are masters at getting it whenever they need it. And they know how to milk it. What the Kings need more of, are corporate sponsers and sell outs at the arena. Along with that, they need a new arena to boot.

I don't see where Artest's mouth accomplishes any of that. Could be quite the contrary. There are a lot of people, people who vote, and might have to vote on said arena deal, that aren't even fans. These are people who have no vested interest in the team, that get up and read about some nut case from the Kings team shooting his mouth off for the 100th time. That just might not be the image you want to reflect to these potential voters.

I'm sorry, but in this instance, what is intertaining to you, is irritating to me, and I suspect to most of the people on this fourm

 

[tyrant]

These are people who have no vested interest in the team, that get up and read about some nut case from the Kings team shooting his mouth off for the 100th time. That just might not be the image you want to reflect to these potential voters.

I'm sorry, but in this instance, what is intertaining to you, is irritating to me, and I suspect to most of the people on this fourm

agreed. the kings of the early 2000's didnt have a motor mouth like the one we have now. we would just get out there ( a bunch of nice guys) and whip everyones a**. that was all the publicity we needed. we dont need psychos. there are smarter nuts in hershey bars. lets all take a knee.........

oh mighty father above,

please put together a team thats gona go out there and whip some arse. amen

 

[Vlade4GM]

In this case, as in most cases, any publicity is good publicity. William Artest puts sacramento "on the map" when it comes to the NBA. Without, we are defenseless to the strong media surrounding other teams. Who is going to be that guy when Artest leaves? New York has 2 media sources covering its' teams. LA is the same. All four major news outlets from those two examples find their way to Sacramento. Sacramento is great, for for farming. Lets get real, Artest should not be traded for anything less than what Artest brings to the table media wise. We have one major news print provider, the sacramento bee. 1 vs. 4, and if our newspaper is quieted or even silenced from a lack of Artest, I would not be supprised. Nobody can talk to the media like he does. He sometimes predicts things before they happen and such. This is quality entertainment, and i believe he is worth more this year than ever before. I think that his behind the scenes, after the game, before the game, on the weekend comments, are worth way more than what it would mean to have a decent youthful and talented contract with a future first round pick attached to it. Artest is worth more than we know. He draws a crowd, and he keeps them sitting. This quality is similar to Barkley's talent with the media, but has more bark and bite. Now that i compared Artest to Barkley, i want nothing less than Charles Barkley in a trade for William Artest.

It's Wild Bill getting the attention, not the kings. The TEAM isn't getting attention whatsoever, only Wild Bill's big fat mouth. I don't care how much coverage his mouth gets because I've never liked one thing he has had to say and nothing he says makes us look good, it only makes people chuckle at the thought of our situation. I'll take anonymity over that mouth being the face of our franchise thank you. To want his craziness to stick around for the sake of getting our logo in national media articles is about as pathetic as it gets, that's the lowest of the low in the NBA and only proves how irrelevant we are and always have been. Is that what you really want? The team to cosntantly be upstaged by a loon? No thanks. Side Show Bill needs to go and then we can start building a real basketball team with a real identity.

 

[bajaden]

Joe Maloof is goading Artest into another response. I think everything Artest says at this point hurts his trade value. The less he says, the more teams will believe they can deal with him. Joe should have been talking to Geoff Petrie about Ron's plane tickets, not to the media about Ron's behavior.

So far, Artest hasn't needed much goading. If you recall any of the situation when he was in his last days in Indiana, this is almost a replay. When Artest wants something resolved, he wants it now, like a child. He has no patience. Anyone who has driven cross country with thier children knows what I'm talking about. Are we there yet?

In fact, Joe Maloof's comments may shock him into temporary silence. With emphasis on the temporary. Hopefully long enough for whatever trade they're working on to get done.

 

[kennadog]

Yeah, Ron is great publicity. Makes the Kings look like the Jerry Springer show of the NBA.

 

[kingsfan101]

We have NO idea what management is or isn't considering, as Geoff Petrie makes the sphinx look like a blabbermouth. We're hypothesizing and making semi-educated guesses but none of us knows for sure.

If pressure from the fans gets too great, TPTB will still do what they feel is best for the organization going forward. I'd bet almost everything I own, however, that whatever action they take is going to be sooner rather than later. They are NOT going to let this fester and stew much longer.

Yes. I just hope they don't think that this action is to ship out Ron at any cost, even taking up some bad contracts in the process, like the Blazers did. If we are unable to swap him for expirings + prospects/picks, I'd rather they just let him go.