Kings Select in the 2008 NBA DRAFT??
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I have seen every game this year thats been on fsn, or espn and yes he does suck. He is athletic, I will give him that, but can he box out? Nope..... Can he rebound? Nope. Can he score? Sometimes. Can he block shots? Nope.. Reason I say no to the blocked shots is because he is supposed to be this athletic force, yet he blocks at the rate of an "unathletic" Kevin Love. That's not very good. He's not worth drafting because he hasn't proved a thing yet in college. How is he supposed to bring it at the next level when he can't bring it in college?
Watching the first few games today I have a feeling Hansborough might be moving up a bit if he comes out. He's got a decent mid range jumper now. Something he didn't have a couple years ago.
Blake Griffin would be #5 in talent if he came out this year. He's got great post skills, and good inside play.
Watching the Duke game now, and if DeMarcuswhich would work at the next level.
DJ Augustin again played brilliant at PG.. I wish we had a 2nd 1st rounder to get this guy. Definite talent.
I really was impressed my Chris Roberts in the Memphis game again. If he comes out and slips to 2nd round I would give the kid a loot. Reminds me a lot of Francisco Garcia. He just gets things done. Rose was kind of off all game, but it was no big deal. They were just having fun out there, and were up by a lot pretty much the whole game.
Brian Butch for Wisconsin would be a guy to bring in if he goes undrafted. He's a 6'11 PF/C that can step out, and hit the 3. Haqs a sweet shot. A bit weak, and rebounding is weak as well, but he has great offensive moves.
I am switchig back and forth between Duke game, and the Kansas game..
Come on BMILLER.. Arthur is just bad... If he was on a bad team I think he would still be bad.. You watching this crap? foul trouble already, and got played on the boxouts so far.. UGH.. definitely not a PF.. Maybe he should focus on SF.. Oh yah he can't shoot to save his life
Oh well.... I was hoping to see Jordan vs. Arthur today, but Arthur is in foul trouble, and Jordan is still sick
Blake Griffin would be #5 in talent if he came out this year. He's got great post skills, and good inside play.
Watching the Duke game now, and if DeMarcuswhich would work at the next level.
DJ Augustin again played brilliant at PG.. I wish we had a 2nd 1st rounder to get this guy. Definite talent.
I really was impressed my Chris Roberts in the Memphis game again. If he comes out and slips to 2nd round I would give the kid a loot. Reminds me a lot of Francisco Garcia. He just gets things done. Rose was kind of off all game, but it was no big deal. They were just having fun out there, and were up by a lot pretty much the whole game.
Brian Butch for Wisconsin would be a guy to bring in if he goes undrafted. He's a 6'11 PF/C that can step out, and hit the 3. Haqs a sweet shot. A bit weak, and rebounding is weak as well, but he has great offensive moves.
I am switchig back and forth between Duke game, and the Kansas game..
Come on BMILLER.. Arthur is just bad... If he was on a bad team I think he would still be bad.. You watching this crap? foul trouble already, and got played on the boxouts so far.. UGH.. definitely not a PF.. Maybe he should focus on SF.. Oh yah he can't shoot to save his life
Oh well.... I was hoping to see Jordan vs. Arthur today, but Arthur is in foul trouble, and Jordan is still sick
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He can really score and saying he can't block you just lost your credibility man. Of course he can block. But he doesn't get as many minutes and he doesn't get the touches. He plays with Jackson, Kaun, and even Aldrich. All of those guys would start next to Love. So yes he can score. Love is the only big man UCLA has in their starting 5 that's any good so he better get atleast 1 BPG. But Arthur gets as many BPG in less MPG.
Oh and I'm pretty sure you haven't seen every televised game of Arthur. If you did you would've seen him grab 9 boards in 28 minutes against Joseph Jones and DeAndre Jordan like last weekend. He got 7 today in only 23 minutes. If he gets as many minutes as Love gets that's about 8-9 RPG. That's only 2 less or so. Considering Love doesn't play with any good actual BIG MEN I don't think the gap is as big as the stats indicate.
Man Love is having a lot of trouble scoring on Lopez. He just got PACKED.
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UCLA, Stanford game came down to the wire. Good game, like most of the games today except the Texas game which was a blowout. I have tried to talk myself out of Augustin all year, but you know what. That little dude is just too damm good. He'd look pretty good in a Kings uniform. Even if we do resign Beno, which I hope we do.
Once again Arthur didn't impress. Sorry Bill. I have no favorites, I just see what I see. I'll say this. He's way better than Thabeet, but thats not saying a lot. B. Lopez didn't have one of his better games today.. In my opinion, if Collison starts for Stanford they win going away.. Stanfords guard play has hurt them all year. Cal's is even worse.
Rush is a stud. I don't care how many 2 guards we have, if he slides to us, you take him. The guy is impressive. I feel like a child in a candy store with no money.
Griffin had an OK game. Wasn't spectacular, but got his 20 and 10. Don't know if he's coming out or not.
Best preformance of the day so far, and I haven't seen them all, is between Augustin and Rush, and I'm leaning toward Augustin. More later...
Once again Arthur didn't impress. Sorry Bill. I have no favorites, I just see what I see. I'll say this. He's way better than Thabeet, but thats not saying a lot. B. Lopez didn't have one of his better games today.. In my opinion, if Collison starts for Stanford they win going away.. Stanfords guard play has hurt them all year. Cal's is even worse.
Rush is a stud. I don't care how many 2 guards we have, if he slides to us, you take him. The guy is impressive. I feel like a child in a candy store with no money.
Griffin had an OK game. Wasn't spectacular, but got his 20 and 10. Don't know if he's coming out or not.
Best preformance of the day so far, and I haven't seen them all, is between Augustin and Rush, and I'm leaning toward Augustin. More later...
Love hurt his back in the first two minutes of the game.. You would play like crap if you went out there with a hurt back too.. Oh and Lopez got packed by Mata-Real so yah....
I Tivo every College game on TV, so you can think what you want. I have seen all his games that were on TV with the exception of maybe one or two that didn't tape.
You talk about him playin less minutes, but Arthur is always in foul trouble! Do you even see that? Almost every game he plays he gets into foul trouble in the first half.. I think the question is HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY outside of 1 or 2 times? What good is Arthur is he is in foul trouble in the NBA? It's tougher to defend in the NBA than in the NCAA..
Oh, BTW, Love plays with Collison, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute, and Shipp who are all projected to be drafted this year if they declare.
Can't even believe you compare the two.. In the college game there isn't any. Love is better. Love is a freshman as well. Love won pac-10 player of the year, Love won freshman of the year. Love has better per 40's than Arthur...
Tell you what.. In two or three years if you are still around than I will say you were right if Arthur is better than Love..
I Tivo every College game on TV, so you can think what you want. I have seen all his games that were on TV with the exception of maybe one or two that didn't tape.
You talk about him playin less minutes, but Arthur is always in foul trouble! Do you even see that? Almost every game he plays he gets into foul trouble in the first half.. I think the question is HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY outside of 1 or 2 times? What good is Arthur is he is in foul trouble in the NBA? It's tougher to defend in the NBA than in the NCAA..
Oh, BTW, Love plays with Collison, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute, and Shipp who are all projected to be drafted this year if they declare.
Can't even believe you compare the two.. In the college game there isn't any. Love is better. Love is a freshman as well. Love won pac-10 player of the year, Love won freshman of the year. Love has better per 40's than Arthur...
Tell you what.. In two or three years if you are still around than I will say you were right if Arthur is better than Love..
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Am I the only one who's not too excited about this draft?
Doing research & watching these prospects leads me to believe that this draft could be weaker than the thin '06 go-round.
In the lottery, you've got a lot of undersized players...Gordon, Mayo, Augustin, Lawson...even Beasley. You've got a few clear busts: DeAndre Jordan looks like Patrick O'Bryant and Hibbert doesn't have much upside and his current stats aren't too impressive. Derrick Rose looks impressive, but who knows how that could end up...Lopez is good but has a limited set of moves...and Bayless might just be another shooter. Outside of Beasley (if he plays combo or SF) and Rose, I don't see any clear cut superstar in this lottery.
With the probable #12 pick...I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Petrie trade this pick for a future first-rounder. That way - either 2009 or 2010 - we'll have a better shot at injecting quality youth into our rebuilding franchise. With 2010 being the year that the REAL rebuilding starts, why not have a bunch of promising youth coupled with a few strong FA signings?
Doing research & watching these prospects leads me to believe that this draft could be weaker than the thin '06 go-round.
In the lottery, you've got a lot of undersized players...Gordon, Mayo, Augustin, Lawson...even Beasley. You've got a few clear busts: DeAndre Jordan looks like Patrick O'Bryant and Hibbert doesn't have much upside and his current stats aren't too impressive. Derrick Rose looks impressive, but who knows how that could end up...Lopez is good but has a limited set of moves...and Bayless might just be another shooter. Outside of Beasley (if he plays combo or SF) and Rose, I don't see any clear cut superstar in this lottery.
With the probable #12 pick...I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Petrie trade this pick for a future first-rounder. That way - either 2009 or 2010 - we'll have a better shot at injecting quality youth into our rebuilding franchise. With 2010 being the year that the REAL rebuilding starts, why not have a bunch of promising youth coupled with a few strong FA signings?
The draft imo is not weaker than 2006, but it is wide open talent wise right after #4 IF Blake Griffin does not come out.
You have;
1. Beasley
2. Rose
3. Mayo
4. Lopez
That's clear cut 4 guys you can build around.. All the rest are complimentary type players.. The problem with this draft compared to a lot of older drafts is that you have a lot of freshman that GM's are putting their faith in. There might be 5-8 good freshman in the NCAA that will be in the draft, but the GM's are all blinded by that "P" word. It irks me that GM's can be so dumb sometimes. There are people on this forum I would trust over some GM's in re: to making draft picks.. Then there are other people who just don't know what the heck they are talking about too.
I wonder in this electronic age if GM's do get some buzz from forums or not.. Reason I say this is because we can watch a lot of basketball now because of all the sports channels. I have seen over 200 NCAA games this year easy, and have 4 Tivos going all the time. Plus league pass lets me watch almost every NBA game if I want to.
You have;
1. Beasley
2. Rose
3. Mayo
4. Lopez
That's clear cut 4 guys you can build around.. All the rest are complimentary type players.. The problem with this draft compared to a lot of older drafts is that you have a lot of freshman that GM's are putting their faith in. There might be 5-8 good freshman in the NCAA that will be in the draft, but the GM's are all blinded by that "P" word. It irks me that GM's can be so dumb sometimes. There are people on this forum I would trust over some GM's in re: to making draft picks.. Then there are other people who just don't know what the heck they are talking about too.
I wonder in this electronic age if GM's do get some buzz from forums or not.. Reason I say this is because we can watch a lot of basketball now because of all the sports channels. I have seen over 200 NCAA games this year easy, and have 4 Tivos going all the time. Plus league pass lets me watch almost every NBA game if I want to.
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Love hurt his back in the first two minutes of the game.. You would play like crap if you went out there with a hurt back too.. Oh and Lopez got packed by Mata-Real so yah....
I Tivo every College game on TV, so you can think what you want. I have seen all his games that were on TV with the exception of maybe one or two that didn't tape.
You talk about him playin less minutes, but Arthur is always in foul trouble! Do you even see that? Almost every game he plays he gets into foul trouble in the first half.. I think the question is HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY outside of 1 or 2 times? What good is Arthur is he is in foul trouble in the NBA? It's tougher to defend in the NBA than in the NCAA..
Oh, BTW, Love plays with Collison, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute, and Shipp who are all projected to be drafted this year if they declare.
Can't even believe you compare the two.. In the college game there isn't any. Love is better. Love is a freshman as well. Love won pac-10 player of the year, Love won freshman of the year. Love has better per 40's than Arthur...
Tell you what.. In two or three years if you are still around than I will say you were right if Arthur is better than Love..
I Tivo every College game on TV, so you can think what you want. I have seen all his games that were on TV with the exception of maybe one or two that didn't tape.
You talk about him playin less minutes, but Arthur is always in foul trouble! Do you even see that? Almost every game he plays he gets into foul trouble in the first half.. I think the question is HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY outside of 1 or 2 times? What good is Arthur is he is in foul trouble in the NBA? It's tougher to defend in the NBA than in the NCAA..
Oh, BTW, Love plays with Collison, Westbrook, Mbah a Moute, and Shipp who are all projected to be drafted this year if they declare.
Can't even believe you compare the two.. In the college game there isn't any. Love is better. Love is a freshman as well. Love won pac-10 player of the year, Love won freshman of the year. Love has better per 40's than Arthur...
Tell you what.. In two or three years if you are still around than I will say you were right if Arthur is better than Love..
Guess I should bookmark this then?
Seriously though, yeah I know Arthur makes a lot more mistakes than Love does. But Arthur can be taught to foul less, can learn more about passing, etc. He just has more potential. I'll admit he's not the player Love is RIGHT NOW(although saying he sucks is rediculous bro, he has had a lot of impressive games and he is definitely an important player for KU) but he can improve at the things Love is good at. Love won't really improve his athleticism that much(well losing weight might help him, then again it could take away from his bulldozer post game he uses sometimes). Arthur has more length and athleticism, and he has shown plenty of flashes of being a good post scorer, good D, rebounding(he's weak at it but he's had plenty of games where he has done a good job rebounding also), nice J, etc.
I'm not sure what the exact argument is with Arthur. 1st it was he's going to be a 3/4 tweener with no post game, now he's an athletic big that sucks? The argument keeps changing and the facts aren't right. He's an athletic big with some skills that aren't really polished yet. Trust me, he'll be a good NBA player.
The thing with Love that bothers me is yeah he's good in the college game but I don't really see where he can improve. He's a good passer. He has a good post game even though he's a little undersized. He's not that long, tall, or athletic. He's decent at the college level but in all of those categories at the NBA level he'll be mediocre. If he played PG then that'd be different, but he plays a position where you need to be athletic, or big, or long. He's not really any of those. I don't see where he'll improve so it seems what you see will be what you get. In the NBA I'm guessing his numbers translate to a shorter PF version of Brad Miller(with a post game I guess) and I'm not really too interested. If Petrie drafts him I'll give him a chance but if I were doing the drafting I wouldn't take him. Am I saying he'll suck? No. But he's not gonna be a franchise PF and he's not going to fix our problem areas.
Oh and KU is just as talented as UCLA, and moreso at PF/C. Matta Real is a scrub. Darnell Jackson will go in the 2nd round somewhere, Kaun was projected as a 2nd rounder for the last few years before he lost his starting spot this year to DJax. Chalmers is probably a late 1st(other draft sites have him in the 2nd next year but I think that's underrating him, he's pretty athletic, same size-ish as Collison, good shooter, and around 12 PPG/5APG). Rush is a top 20 pick for sure IMO, he's badass. Aldrich is KU's 4th big and he seems like he has some potential IMO, only a freshman. Sherron Collins is pretty good too, too soon to tell whether he'll have a shot at the NBA considering he's only a sophomore though. I actually think KU is more talented but hey we'll agree to disagree.
My point by comparing the teams is who else is UCLA going to go to down low besides Love? Darnell Jackson is a good post player(actually reminds me of Brandon Bass) and Kaun can score down there as well.
By "P" I'm sure you mean potential. And oh man, do I agree with you...there's a healthy list of draft duds that GM's and scouts praised with having upside, and this draft will be no different. Batum and Jordan, should they declare, are prime candidates IMO.
But going back to those 4 players you listed - I agree- they have the best shot at being great players in this league (although I have a few doubts about Mayo).
But the thing is, the Kings have absolutely no shot at getting these guys...and I don't see much value in picking up another role player. I think there's more promise in later drafts, so that's my reason for trading away this pick for a future first rounder.
But going back to those 4 players you listed - I agree- they have the best shot at being great players in this league (although I have a few doubts about Mayo).
But the thing is, the Kings have absolutely no shot at getting these guys...and I don't see much value in picking up another role player. I think there's more promise in later drafts, so that's my reason for trading away this pick for a future first rounder.
Guess I should bookmark this then?
Seriously though, yeah I know Arthur makes a lot more mistakes than Love does. But Arthur can be taught to foul less, can learn more about passing, etc. He just has more potential. I'll admit he's not the player Love is RIGHT NOW(although saying he sucks is rediculous bro, he has had a lot of impressive games and he is definitely an important player for KU) but he can improve at the things Love is good at. Love won't really improve his athleticism that much(well losing weight might help him, then again it could take away from his bulldozer post game he uses sometimes). Arthur has more length and athleticism, and he has shown plenty of flashes of being a good post scorer, good D, rebounding(he's weak at it but he's had plenty of games where he has done a good job rebounding also), nice J, etc.
I'm not sure what the exact argument is with Arthur. 1st it was he's going to be a 3/4 tweener with no post game, now he's an athletic big that sucks? The argument keeps changing and the facts aren't right. He's an athletic big with some skills that aren't really polished yet. Trust me, he'll be a good NBA player.
The thing with Love that bothers me is yeah he's good in the college game but I don't really see where he can improve. He's a good passer. He has a good post game even though he's a little undersized. He's not that long, tall, or athletic. He's decent at the college level but in all of those categories at the NBA level he'll be mediocre. If he played PG then that'd be different, but he plays a position where you need to be athletic, or big, or long. He's not really any of those. I don't see where he'll improve so it seems what you see will be what you get. In the NBA I'm guessing his numbers translate to a shorter PF version of Brad Miller(with a post game I guess) and I'm not really too interested. If Petrie drafts him I'll give him a chance but if I were doing the drafting I wouldn't take him. Am I saying he'll suck? No. But he's not gonna be a franchise PF and he's not going to fix our problem areas.
Oh and KU is just as talented as UCLA, and moreso at PF/C. Matta Real is a scrub. Darnell Jackson will go in the 2nd round somewhere, Kaun was projected as a 2nd rounder for the last few years before he lost his starting spot this year to DJax. Chalmers is probably a late 1st(other draft sites have him in the 2nd next year but I think that's underrating him, he's pretty athletic, same size-ish as Collison, good shooter, and around 12 PPG/5APG). Rush is a top 20 pick for sure IMO, he's badass. Aldrich is KU's 4th big and he seems like he has some potential IMO, only a freshman. Sherron Collins is pretty good too, too soon to tell whether he'll have a shot at the NBA considering he's only a sophomore though. I actually think KU is more talented but hey we'll agree to disagree.
My point by comparing the teams is who else is UCLA going to go to down low besides Love? Darnell Jackson is a good post player(actually reminds me of Brandon Bass) and Kaun can score down there as well.
Seriously though, yeah I know Arthur makes a lot more mistakes than Love does. But Arthur can be taught to foul less, can learn more about passing, etc. He just has more potential. I'll admit he's not the player Love is RIGHT NOW(although saying he sucks is rediculous bro, he has had a lot of impressive games and he is definitely an important player for KU) but he can improve at the things Love is good at. Love won't really improve his athleticism that much(well losing weight might help him, then again it could take away from his bulldozer post game he uses sometimes). Arthur has more length and athleticism, and he has shown plenty of flashes of being a good post scorer, good D, rebounding(he's weak at it but he's had plenty of games where he has done a good job rebounding also), nice J, etc.
I'm not sure what the exact argument is with Arthur. 1st it was he's going to be a 3/4 tweener with no post game, now he's an athletic big that sucks? The argument keeps changing and the facts aren't right. He's an athletic big with some skills that aren't really polished yet. Trust me, he'll be a good NBA player.
The thing with Love that bothers me is yeah he's good in the college game but I don't really see where he can improve. He's a good passer. He has a good post game even though he's a little undersized. He's not that long, tall, or athletic. He's decent at the college level but in all of those categories at the NBA level he'll be mediocre. If he played PG then that'd be different, but he plays a position where you need to be athletic, or big, or long. He's not really any of those. I don't see where he'll improve so it seems what you see will be what you get. In the NBA I'm guessing his numbers translate to a shorter PF version of Brad Miller(with a post game I guess) and I'm not really too interested. If Petrie drafts him I'll give him a chance but if I were doing the drafting I wouldn't take him. Am I saying he'll suck? No. But he's not gonna be a franchise PF and he's not going to fix our problem areas.
Oh and KU is just as talented as UCLA, and moreso at PF/C. Matta Real is a scrub. Darnell Jackson will go in the 2nd round somewhere, Kaun was projected as a 2nd rounder for the last few years before he lost his starting spot this year to DJax. Chalmers is probably a late 1st(other draft sites have him in the 2nd next year but I think that's underrating him, he's pretty athletic, same size-ish as Collison, good shooter, and around 12 PPG/5APG). Rush is a top 20 pick for sure IMO, he's badass. Aldrich is KU's 4th big and he seems like he has some potential IMO, only a freshman. Sherron Collins is pretty good too, too soon to tell whether he'll have a shot at the NBA considering he's only a sophomore though. I actually think KU is more talented but hey we'll agree to disagree.
My point by comparing the teams is who else is UCLA going to go to down low besides Love? Darnell Jackson is a good post player(actually reminds me of Brandon Bass) and Kaun can score down there as well.
The reason Arthur scares me is that he reminds me of a rich mans Mikki Moore. Arthur will definitely be better than Moore, but his rebounding is still a shade off.. He needs another year of College where he is the focal point. I am curious how he will respond. It was a bit harsh of me to say he totally sucks, because he doesn't.... But I don't think he's ready to come out.
Here's the question. Do you draft a player in college thats not very polished, and I'm being kind here, or do you draft a player that is excelling in college. Drafting a player on just potential, especially in the lottery, really scares me. Your talking about a finanical commitment of three years and a future building block of your team. There have been a lot of players drafted on potential that have never lived up to expectations. Gerald Green is a recent example. He may well turn out to be a decent player, but at the moment, he looks like a bad pick. Dhantay Jones was a first round pick. I'm sure he was picked on potential.
I'm not against taking some risk. Taking Thompson at number 12 would be somewhat of a risk, because he's projected lower. But at the moment, he's a better player than Arthur is right now. He's also bigger. Arthur may be a little more athletic, but not that much. I agree with Gary that Arthur looks like a small forward to me, and at the moment, he has no reliable outside shot.
The truth is, you can only evaluate what you see now, and make a judgement on it. Everything else is pie in the sky. Pipe dreams and a lot of hope. If you pick a player that is excelling in college, I can almost guarantee you that you will have a player that can play in the NBA. You may have a star, and once in a good while you may have a superstar. Pick a player that is struggling in college, and I can't guarantee you anything.
I'm not against taking some risk. Taking Thompson at number 12 would be somewhat of a risk, because he's projected lower. But at the moment, he's a better player than Arthur is right now. He's also bigger. Arthur may be a little more athletic, but not that much. I agree with Gary that Arthur looks like a small forward to me, and at the moment, he has no reliable outside shot.
The truth is, you can only evaluate what you see now, and make a judgement on it. Everything else is pie in the sky. Pipe dreams and a lot of hope. If you pick a player that is excelling in college, I can almost guarantee you that you will have a player that can play in the NBA. You may have a star, and once in a good while you may have a superstar. Pick a player that is struggling in college, and I can't guarantee you anything.
Green was picked out of high school. In college competition is obviously on another level so you have a measuring stick. Plus for guys who stay more than a year you can see whether they are developing or not. For example Thabeet - he made huge strides this year so there's real chance he can match his athleticism with some great or at least good skill. Personally I'm still torn on him mainly because of his bad hands though he improved in this area as well and bad rebounding which stayed the same. I think he needs at least another year with Calhoun.
I think Arthur is about the same height as Horford, maybe taller(he looked the same height when KU played Florida last year). Horford is 6'8.5'' without shoes. That's good size for a PF. Undersized is the 6'7'' and below area. He also has good length. He doesn't weigh too much right now but come on man, in the NBA you can put on muscle. KG was thin as hell too and over a couple years he filled out.
You know another guy who doesn't rebound well? LaMarcus Aldridge. He's a mediocre rebounder who didn't have GREAT numbers as a college guy. Would you turn him down? He'd compliment Spencer and can score well, he just doesn't rebound well. But if he were in this draft and we had a shot at him I'd take him. I see Arthur as a slightly smaller Aldridge I guess.
I don't agree that he's SF size. He'll be 6'9.5ish in shoes and he can easily put on another 15-20 pounds of muscle in the next few years. He also has a decent mid range J, a nice post game, and he's a good shotblocker. I think he's clearly a PF.
I do like Thompson A LOT though from what I saw. I've only seen him play like twice but he reminds me of a more aggressive Rasheed Wallace on offense and maybe Jermaine O'neal when it comes to the boards. He's going to be a good player IMO. Also I think Anthony Randolph has all the potential in the world, I wouldn't mind taking him.
Hey also if Shelden shows he can play, maybe we draft a PG? I've been down on Collison but he impressed me today. Also Augustin is going to be really good and Lawson has been good when he hasn't had problems with his sprained ankle.
You know another guy who doesn't rebound well? LaMarcus Aldridge. He's a mediocre rebounder who didn't have GREAT numbers as a college guy. Would you turn him down? He'd compliment Spencer and can score well, he just doesn't rebound well. But if he were in this draft and we had a shot at him I'd take him. I see Arthur as a slightly smaller Aldridge I guess.
I don't agree that he's SF size. He'll be 6'9.5ish in shoes and he can easily put on another 15-20 pounds of muscle in the next few years. He also has a decent mid range J, a nice post game, and he's a good shotblocker. I think he's clearly a PF.
I do like Thompson A LOT though from what I saw. I've only seen him play like twice but he reminds me of a more aggressive Rasheed Wallace on offense and maybe Jermaine O'neal when it comes to the boards. He's going to be a good player IMO. Also I think Anthony Randolph has all the potential in the world, I wouldn't mind taking him.
Hey also if Shelden shows he can play, maybe we draft a PG? I've been down on Collison but he impressed me today. Also Augustin is going to be really good and Lawson has been good when he hasn't had problems with his sprained ankle.
I wasn't talking about highschool or college, I was talking about drafting on potential. I don't care whether their in highschool or as in the case of De Von Hardin a senior in college. If all your showing me is potential, I can't judge you on what you haven't done. I judge players on what they can do right now. I don't care if they figured out in one year how to walk onto the court and where to stand. If you still can't catch the ball or put it on the floor without it being a disastor, your not ready yet.
As far as how big or how much players weigh etc, we'll find out at the pre-draft camps. Arthur doesn't look that big to me, but we'll see. I doubt he weighs the 220 pounds, but then Hibbert doesn't look like he weighs 270 either.\
I remember having a conservation in the skylight lounge once with Gary St Jean. I asked him about Causwell, who was very athletic but it didn't seem to translate to the court. He told me that when they gave Causwell a hand to eye coordination test, he ranked near last in the NBA. My point is that you just can't draft without all the info on a person. IQ being one. Attitude being another one.
As far as how big or how much players weigh etc, we'll find out at the pre-draft camps. Arthur doesn't look that big to me, but we'll see. I doubt he weighs the 220 pounds, but then Hibbert doesn't look like he weighs 270 either.\
I remember having a conservation in the skylight lounge once with Gary St Jean. I asked him about Causwell, who was very athletic but it didn't seem to translate to the court. He told me that when they gave Causwell a hand to eye coordination test, he ranked near last in the NBA. My point is that you just can't draft without all the info on a person. IQ being one. Attitude being another one.
Augustin should be 3rd if you count Rose, and Bayless. There is a possibility that Collison will be picked before Augustin as well, but my mock draft right now has him 3rd PG drafted going to Chicago (based on team needs).. I was reading other draft sites, and saw Augustin going anywhere between 10 and 20. I am thinking as of now he will be top 10... If we resign Beno then we draft love, if not then we draft Augustin (if available)
My mock has the top ten as;
1. Beasley to Miami
2. Rose to Minnesota
3. Lopez to Memphis
4. Mayo to Seattle
5. Bayless to NYK
6. Gordon to LAC
7. Batum to Milwaukee
8. Jordan to Charlotte
9. Hibbert to Pacers
10. Augustin to Bulls
My mock has the top ten as;
1. Beasley to Miami
2. Rose to Minnesota
3. Lopez to Memphis
4. Mayo to Seattle
5. Bayless to NYK
6. Gordon to LAC
7. Batum to Milwaukee
8. Jordan to Charlotte
9. Hibbert to Pacers
10. Augustin to Bulls
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Yeah, if Augustin or Collison are available, you draft the PG, no doubt about it. Even if you do resign Beno, it'd doubtful either would be ready right away anyway, so Beno is the holdover until the young stud is ready. Then you have a problem of two good point guards, which is a problem that we've handled quite well in the past.
He's not a SF and he played pretty damn well today. How the hell can you say he struggles? He might be inconsistent sometimes but to say he struggles is ignorant. IGNORANT.
Sorry but I'll take the guy who is a GOOD college player now with plenty of room to improve over the guy who is a better college player now but has NEARLY ZERO room to improve.
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You specifically asked about college, didn't you?
But I understand what you mean. The thing is you cannot take any college superstar and say he will be a star on the next level. That's why people talk so much about player's game translating to the NBA. Love is an elite college player but there are serious doubts namely he may be short which his troubles inside against Lopez proved once again(I know he played with bad back but he did nothing inside against Stanford). He runs the floor slowly which is acceptable for center but not for PF. Here's one positive fact about Kevin - at the start of the season DX guys complained that he was much slower than they've seen him before so maybe he put too much weight last summer. He may be able to improve his athleticism like Millsap did and become passable at PF.
Anyway it seems more and more to me that Kings should go PG in the 1st round.
But I understand what you mean. The thing is you cannot take any college superstar and say he will be a star on the next level. That's why people talk so much about player's game translating to the NBA. Love is an elite college player but there are serious doubts namely he may be short which his troubles inside against Lopez proved once again(I know he played with bad back but he did nothing inside against Stanford). He runs the floor slowly which is acceptable for center but not for PF. Here's one positive fact about Kevin - at the start of the season DX guys complained that he was much slower than they've seen him before so maybe he put too much weight last summer. He may be able to improve his athleticism like Millsap did and become passable at PF.
Anyway it seems more and more to me that Kings should go PG in the 1st round.
Look, I know your passionate about Arthur, and by the way, he did have a pretty good game today. But lets not get into name calling. Lets keep it a disscussion. If you go back and read what I wrote carefully, when I used the word struggle, I was speaking in general and not about any one particular player, and certainly not Arthur.
If I were to use the word struggle on a player, it would probably be Thabeet, because he does struggle. Arthur plays the way his team wants him to play, and I don't have a problem with that. I do have some concerns over his size. But I have also stated that if you can play the game, you can play the game.
I would agree that Arthur has more upside than Love, who by the way is not my choice for the Kings, but could live with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that what you see in Love is what you get with no upside. He is after all a freshman and certainly has room to improve his game.
Some of these players may not even declare and it becomes a lot of wasted disscussion. Augustin is a lot of fun to watch though, isn't he?
If I were to use the word struggle on a player, it would probably be Thabeet, because he does struggle. Arthur plays the way his team wants him to play, and I don't have a problem with that. I do have some concerns over his size. But I have also stated that if you can play the game, you can play the game.
I would agree that Arthur has more upside than Love, who by the way is not my choice for the Kings, but could live with, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that what you see in Love is what you get with no upside. He is after all a freshman and certainly has room to improve his game.
Some of these players may not even declare and it becomes a lot of wasted disscussion. Augustin is a lot of fun to watch though, isn't he?
You specifically asked about college, didn't you?
But I understand what you mean. The thing is you cannot take any college superstar and say he will be a star on the next level. That's why people talk so much about player's game translating to the NBA. Love is an elite college player but there are serious doubts namely he may be short which his troubles inside against Lopez proved once again(I know he played with bad back but he did nothing inside against Stanford). He runs the floor slowly which is acceptable for center but not for PF. Here's one positive fact about Kevin - at the start of the season DX guys complained that he was much slower than they've seen him before so maybe he put too much weight last summer. He may be able to improve his athleticism like Millsap did and become passable at PF.
Anyway it seems more and more to me that Kings should go PG in the 1st round.
But I understand what you mean. The thing is you cannot take any college superstar and say he will be a star on the next level. That's why people talk so much about player's game translating to the NBA. Love is an elite college player but there are serious doubts namely he may be short which his troubles inside against Lopez proved once again(I know he played with bad back but he did nothing inside against Stanford). He runs the floor slowly which is acceptable for center but not for PF. Here's one positive fact about Kevin - at the start of the season DX guys complained that he was much slower than they've seen him before so maybe he put too much weight last summer. He may be able to improve his athleticism like Millsap did and become passable at PF.
Anyway it seems more and more to me that Kings should go PG in the 1st round.
See.. You are being ignorant now.. To say Love has almost no chance to improve is ignorant. How do you know? In the NBA he is going to have 24/7 access to a nutritionist, workout room, trainer, and many other things he does not have in college. He will only have to worry about basketball instead of all the other things that come with college.
Bottom line and you wont change my mind is I would pick the guy who I know has the skillsets I am looking for than the guy who might give me those things, and might not. But again, we have no idea and can only base our assumptions off college stats. Arthur averages approx 1 rebound every 4 minutes, and has so since he came into the NCAA. His scoring has to be done inside 15ft. He has not shown the ability to boxout as of yet consistently at the college level.. Too many question marks around Arthur still..
But all that said he played a nice game today. If he was AVERAGING 16/9, and played this way every game than things might be different. But he's like that guy on the Kings who will give you 15/10 one night, and the next night give you 5/3.. a.k.a. Mikki Moore. Although if you put Arthur in Moore's spot next year I believe Arthur would do better. Just trying to point out inconsistent play..
I think Arthur needs one more year in college where he is "the man" on KU.