The Bibby Trade Needed to Happen

#1
I've seen a lot of people on this board are unhappy about this trade but let me explain why this needed to happen. I'm a fan of Mike Bibby but I'm a bigger fan of the Sacramento Kings and that's what this is about...the Kings future.

After next season Bibby would have become a free agent and there was no reason to expect that he would stay here. The Kings are a rebuilding team and probably would not be willing to pay him what he would ask anyway. He probably would try to land himself on a contending team. So that means that the Kings would be rebuilding around a PG who wasn't going to be here in the future instead of molding a young team around a young PG who will be here such as Beno or perhaps a draft pick. (This year's draft is deep in PGs). The last thing we need to be just ready to enter the playoffs again and we lose our playmaker.

So just the fact that Bibby is gone making room for a new stalwart at PG makes this a good trade but let's analyze what we got.

1. Wright, Lue, and AJ: All expiring contracts after this year. It really doesn't mean much considering we will still be over the cap next year but it does save the Maloofs about 12 million dollars which should make it more likely that we will re-sign Beno.

2. 2nd Round Pick: I think this may help more than most people think. It seems that lately more and more impact players in the NBA are coming from the late 1st and 2nd rounds, in some drafts just as many as lottery picks. Let's just hope the Hawks don't make the playoffs so the pick can be a little higher.

3. Sheldon Williams: It's really amazing to see a player fall so fast since college, with only 2 years in the league. Williams really was a defensive and rebounding monster in college, I believe he led the NCAA in rebounding, averaged 4 blocks per game, and was a top post defender. Now he still rebounds pretty well but his blocks have dropped to below 1 per game and he routinely gets beat in the post.

The thing though is that he has never really gotten much of a chance to play consistently. His rookie year wasn't a complete disaster averaging 18 minutes off the bench at 5.6 ppg & 5.5 rpg but this year they draft Al Horford and now his minutes per game are only 11.1. Would you say it's fair to get a good assessment of a player in that amount of minutes? Think about this, Spencer Hawes averages 8.1 mpg, I wouldn't say we have a good assessment of his progress yet, would you?

Overall this trade is a no risk scenario that could end up very well if the pick is good and Williams develops into a capable player. It's too bad we had to cut Justin Williams instead of the players we got in this trade but I have a feeling that those players may get cut soon enough with another influx of players from a Ron Artest trade. We'll see what happens.
 

VF21

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#2
We had to cut two players BEFORE the trade could go through. That's why Justin and Dahntay were put on waivers. You cannot make a trade unless you have roster spots available for all players.

Note: I suspect you haven't had a chance to read through the entire Bibby trade thread. What you've posted here is pretty much a summary of just about everything that's been said in there, along with the Shelden Williams thread.

:)
 
#3
Potato, Potato, hmm...doesn't work as well in print. Anyway, of course players have to be cut BEFORE the trade, but as far as the fans are concerned, before or after, they're still gone. In regards to this thread it would not surprise me to see one or more of the players we got here cut to make room for players in a future Artest trade.

I have read through all of the threads, I thought it would be good to summarize everything in one thread, now that the trade has had some time to marinate and the original threads have reached huge post numbers.

My main point here that I want to emphasize though is that just trading Bibby away makes this a good trade, it really is best for all parties involved.
 

VF21

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#5
I thought it would be good to summarize everything in one thread, now that the trade has had some time to marinate and the original threads have reached huge post numbers.

My main point here that I want to emphasize though is that just trading Bibby away makes this a good trade, it really is best for all parties involved.
I agree. The summary is nice and succinct and will probably get even more discussion going.

One thing for sure - this trade certainly brought a lot of people back to the board.

:)
 

pdxKingsFan

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#6
I agree it needed to happen, and as a long time Arizona Wildcats fan as well as a Kings fan it pains me to see him go but its time to move in a new direction and doesn't make sense to keep him around. I wish he could have gone to a better team but I'm glad for the first time in a while there doesn't seem to be any hard feelings between the team and one of the key players during the glory years. Plus it seems like the team is being honest and not trying to sell this as a move that will have immediate impact. I think we've finally turned the corner, let's just hope we picked the right street.
 
#7
Mike Bibby couldn't give off the bench in the 4th quarter of recent games in favor of Beno. That tells you all you need to know about his effectiveness from Reggie Theus' coaching seat.

And our point production as a team was down since his return, from over 100 points/game to low 90s, and we had several games when our turnovers outnumbered or barely surpassed assists, due in no small part to Mike Bibby shoot-first, shoot-second, pass-third mentality.

Compared to the lefty upstart, Bibby was a poor penetrator and assist man, poor defender, and absent floor leader. He was good for an occasional hot-streak from the perimeter, and he seemed to make a fair effort defensively. But when he wasn't making his shot, he wasn't helping; and he was shooting below 40%.

I'll root for the guy to rejuvenate himself as a Hawk, and I hope he lights up the Kings for 30 on Wednesday, but it was time for him to go, unfortunately too late to get anything decent in return besides an apparent plodding underachiever (S Williams) the Hawks could not peddle off fast enough.

With Bibby gone, it's 35 plus minute of Beno-time! And hopefully Douby as back-up PG shows something besides poor judgment and unconscious launching. Regardless, we'll go back to scoring over 100 points a game, starting tomorow v. Blazers.
 
#10
I think this a move in the right direction for the future. As great as Bibby was, he wasnt going to win us a championship. We just need to build the base of the franchise with young players, who can be starters or good role players. Then in a year or two take Brad Miller, SAR, KT and turn those huge contracts into all-star players via trade. That is just how the NBA works these days. If we as a fan base can suffer through a year or two with those huge salaries on the bench we could be rewarded nicely.
 
#11
The way I thought about this trade is as follows.

Next year Bibby makes 14.5mil. Next year we weren't going to play for a championship. We trade Bibby for a project PF (#5 in the draft with decent PF type skills), and 3 expiring contracts. Next season we are minus about 11mil from what we would have been if Bibby had stayed on. This allows us to re-sign Beno if he were to become our BJax of the future. We draft Collison, or Agusitin to back Beno up for year or two.

It's a win/win situation for the Kings future. Whether it's Bibby/Beno, or Beno/Johnson I don't think our assists/turnovers will suffer that much. Johnson seems efficient with his 4-1 a/to ratio. Things will be OK.
 
#12
Haven't posted in a long while. I don't think the trade really helps us talentwise. Hopefully Sheldan can play and we definitely need a big man who can bang next to Brad.

Bibby is overpaid. If he was paid much less he might be worth keeping. Another thing is he didn't get along too well with the current team. Beno is nothing that special but he isn't paid very much and when he has played atleast he could pass. I haven't gotten lucky enough to watch many games but hows his D?

To move forward with our current roster we need to move past some of the mainstays. The WC is super stacked right now. 50 wins might not get you a playoff spot this season in the WC. The current team wasn't going to get anywhere close to that and going forward was going to struggle. Things need to change, this is a another change that needed to happen.

Right now the only guy I can see helping us for the real long term is Martin. Brad is getting up there in age. Garcia is solid and should be good. Artest is probally gone after next year although he's still my favorite current King. Beno has shown flashes. Douby, Spencer are huge question marks. Mikki has been decent but I don't think he's anything long term. Salmons has been solid when he's gotten minutes. Sheldan as I said earlier is a huge question mark, who will hopefully turn his game up. The team is......needs some help. FA/Draft I guess are the only ways to fix it although another trade could be looming.

Later.