Miller/Moore and team dynamics

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I was really pleased with the team of Miller/Moore in last night's Sixers' game.


Mikki had matched his career high of 24 pts with a lot of assists from Brad, who loves to make great passes. Brad made it clear in one of the TV interviews that one of the big reasons why he works so well with Mikki is that Mikki loves to dunk--and what nice, emphatic dunks they are--and Brad loves to pass the ball. I agree with Brad's point there.


Those two bigs dominated the game and it is logical to conclude that they can dominate/compete with other teams as well with the kind of play that they did last night. It was wonderful to watch this kind of energenic team play between the two. Hawes is a good rotation and I hope that he can absorb the valuable passing/team skills that are so finely being demonstrated with the Miller/Moore team.


Me likey it! Me likey it! The Miller/Moore team is a fun pair to watch.


I hope that Justin Williams is observing/learning those finer points of team play and trying to incorporate them into his practice play. And KT, ugh, just trade the guy--we can only hope that a team would suddenly need a rebounding vet like Thomas, so that a trade can become possible prior to Feb. Yes, the hate-KT theme is old already, but what else can one say?


Anybody still on the "Mikki is a terrible signing" bandwagon? The wheels are coming off, yes?


And it's good to see that Theus' personality is strong enough to counter Artest's tendency to put on the Superman cape and "carry" the team, when he really does not need to do so. Theus ought to yank Artest off the floor as soon as Artest starts to counter the designed plays with his own Superman plays. If Artest can adjust his play/ego to include a lot more assists and team play, then there's three bigs--Miller/Moore/Artest--who could play well together. Theus made the point that Artest is an impact player on both ends of the court and that there's only 4 or 5 guys in the entire NBA who can do that, so that goes to show Artest's value to the team. Trading Artest away is not a good idea, I would think.


And Theus made a point that he felt that this year's team was a playoff-caliber team--I agree totally. With a smooth return of Bibby rotating effectively with Beno, with an effective return of Martin rotating with Salmons and a smooth, assist-heavy teamwork of the bigs and their rotations, I think that this team is not only a playoff-caliber team, but a conference championship-challenging one as well. It would be really great if Jones can effectively rotate well with Martin/Salmons--time will tell as Jones starts to integrate with this team, as it takes time to blend in with any new team. I already like Jone's defensive abilities.


With a deeper team that has a good number of guys with specific individual skills, as well as excellent team skills, Theus would have a deep repertoire from which he can implement in specific matchups in playoff games.


In any case, this team is a good one with good energy on it and fun to watch!

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#2
i completely agree. i'm really enjoying watching this team mature and change from game to game. I can honestly say i haven't seen this team come out and make the mistakes they made the night before.

this might be a blessing in disguise having 2 of our leading scorers out. but in order to compete without them its going to need to be done by buying in to that elusive "team" mentality all of us love to see. last time i checked the spurs didnt have the greatest talents in the league but they played great team ball.

i definitely see flashes of that from this team. lets hope bibby and martin make smooth transitions back into the starting lineup and the bench continues to step up and play smart basketball
 
#3
You beat me to making this thread. The frontcourt tonight dominated in a way I've never seen before. Hope the chemistry continues. Great job.

Kings probably shouldn't try to throw away Artest. He looks to be the only inside threat for the team.
 
#4
And Theus made a point that he felt that this year's team was a playoff-caliber team--I agree totally. With a smooth return of Bibby rotating effectively with Beno, with an effective return of Martin rotating with Salmons and a smooth, assist-heavy teamwork of the bigs and their rotations, I think that this team is not only a playoff-caliber team, but a conference championship-challenging one as well.

I think that would be a bit of a stretch at this point. They need to win more than once on the road and stop being last in the league in turnovers before I hop onto your bandwagon there. I will take the win any day though :).
 
#5
i completely agree. i'm really enjoying watching this team mature and change from game to game. I can honestly say i haven't seen this team come out and make the mistakes they made the night before.

this might be a blessing in disguise having 2 of our leading scorers out. but in order to compete without them its going to need to be done by buying in to that elusive "team" mentality all of us love to see. last time i checked the spurs didnt have the greatest talents in the league but they played great team ball.

i definitely see flashes of that from this team. lets hope bibby and martin make smooth transitions back into the starting lineup and the bench continues to step up and play smart basketball
Two words...Tim Duncan!
 
#7
Those two bigs dominated the game and it is logical to conclude that they can dominate/compete with other teams as well with the kind of play that they did last night. It was wonderful to watch this kind of energenic team play between the two. Hawes is a good rotation and I hope that he can absorb the valuable passing/team skills that are so finely being demonstrated with the Miller/Moore team.
And Theus made a point that he felt that this year's team was a playoff-caliber team--I agree totally. With a smooth return of Bibby rotating effectively with Beno, with an effective return of Martin rotating with Salmons and a smooth, assist-heavy teamwork of the bigs and their rotations, I think that this team is not only a playoff-caliber team, but a conference championship-challenging one as well. It would be really great if Jones can effectively rotate well with Martin/Salmons--time will tell as Jones starts to integrate with this team, as it takes time to blend in with any new team. I already like Jone's defensive abilities.
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You expect Brad to put up 25/10/5 against just anybody? You do realize that he was being guarded by notorious dumbasses Dalembert and Evans most of the night, right?

I really hope you lower your expectations...
 

Entity

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You expect Brad to put up 25/10/5 against just anybody? You do realize that he was being guarded by notorious dumbasses Dalembert and Evans most of the night, right?

I really hope you lower your expectations...
Yet 2 years ago MOST ppl here would have traded Miller for Dalembert straight up. Makes you wonder if ppl perception of things now could be just as wrong doesn't it. This thread was made to congradulate Moore and Miller on a good game. Why do you have to post something like this?
 
#10
there is no doubt that the Sixers played a comically terrible game last night, but nevertheless it's good to see the movement and timing between our two bigs be so crisp and effective. It was fun. I dont expect that they'll be able to do this week in and week out against more elite teams, but really who cares - it's nice to see the team actually develop a bit this year and it brings a new element of interest to watching a Kings game. I can't even explain how much NICER it is to watch a kings game this year than it was ALL of last year.
 

Glenn

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#11
It has to be more than just ONE game before I remove my signature. Yea, Moore had a good game, but can he do it consistently?
Of course not. That was his career high. But, over the last two weeks he has been flirting with a double double average and perhaps has hit it now. I don't know how long you want him to prove himself but I am sure that two weeks is much too short.
 
#12
Of course not. That was his career high. But, over the last two weeks he has been flirting with a double double average and perhaps has hit it now. I don't know how long you want him to prove himself but I am sure that two weeks is much too short.
Maybe I just expect more rebounds from a 7'0" F/C. In the last 5 games, he has averaged about 8 rebounds. I guess that's good.
 
#13
While Brad and Mikki aren't going to play this well every game, it sure was fun to watch last night, and I really hope that they can keep up that level of effort. Brad's been a pretty good rebounder this year and (I never thought I'd say this) would like Mikki to be rebounding at least as well as Brad.

It seems so simple and yet so hard for the players to grasp that when they play as a team, the game is much easier and they'll win a lot more games. I wonder had Ron taken his normal # of shots last night what Brad and Mikki's production would have been. And I'm curious to see how productive our frontcourt will be tonight in Washington.
 
#14
Yet 2 years ago MOST ppl here would have traded Miller for Dalembert straight up. Makes you wonder if ppl perception of things now could be just as wrong doesn't it. This thread was made to congradulate Moore and Miller on a good game. Why do you have to post something like this?
Ok, fine, Moore and Miller both played great games. I just hope people don't come to expect this kind of production nightly is all I'm saying. Let alone predicting a trip to the WCF
 

Glenn

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#15
Maybe I just expect more rebounds from a 7'0" F/C. In the last 5 games, he has averaged about 8 rebounds. I guess that's good.
I would like to see him be a Marcus Camby type but he'll never be at the top of the heap, that's for sure. We all know that. All he can do is try to improve his game and his role within the team. In my view there has been a definite improvement and I applaud players who improve. You cannot even be cynical and say he is playing for one more big contract because this will probably be his last contract.

I despise players who coast because they'll be rich whether they put out or not.

He tries hard, he is enthusiastic and he is improving. It is not his fault that he is mediocre and it is not his fault he signed the contract that he did. He seems to be putting out as much effort as he can muster. He seems to be one of the guys trying to keep the team morale up. He also appears quite intelligent for an NBA player.

Why pick on him? It's like picking on a retarded person. Perhaps my upbringing has made me more sensitive to this kind of things than others. I have no doubt that is true. Maybe I have let some anger slip out but I think I have tried to control this.

What is ironic is that people can come up with outlandish trade ideas and do this on a daily basis. The irrationality of some of these is clear. Others hope for a high draft spot which can only be achieved by losing, Others make jokes about linns and wosses.

I can't hope we make the playoffs. Curious, huh?
 
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Why pick on him? It's like picking on a retarded person. Perhaps my upbringing has made me more sensitive to this kind of things than others. I have no doubt that is true. Maybe I have let some anger slip out but I think I have tried to control this.
I don't feel I'm picking on him. Just because I stated that I'm not impressed with him, doesn't mean I think he's retarded. That is way offbase. I thought it was ok to express my opinions. I have express my opinions on many players on this team from Bibby all the way down to Douby. However, I have also praised them as well. And I thought I did do that with my post above regarding Moore when I stated "He had a good game". However, I'm just not that impressed with him.
 

Entity

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#17
I don't think Glenn is saying he is impressed with him as a whole but, impressed with the improvment of him throughout the course of the year so far. He has settled into his role on the team and is making the most out of it. He will not be a 20/10 guy but, he IS enthusiastic and keeps the guys moral up on the court. It is just so great to see him dunking everytime instead of weak layups we are acustomed to seeing. I wish i could hear more screams.

All in all Mikki Moore has been good for THIS team. Now would he be good if we were a contender maybe not, but for now he is better than KT by miles.
 

VF21

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#18
there is no doubt that the Sixers played a comically terrible game last night, but nevertheless it's good to see the movement and timing between our two bigs be so crisp and effective. It was fun. I dont expect that they'll be able to do this week in and week out against more elite teams, but really who cares - it's nice to see the team actually develop a bit this year and it brings a new element of interest to watching a Kings game. I can't even explain how much NICER it is to watch a kings game this year than it was ALL of last year.
Bravo. Regardless of what else may happen this year, I feel the same way you do.
 

Glenn

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I don't feel I'm picking on him. Just because I stated that I'm not impressed with him, doesn't mean I think he's retarded. That is way offbase. I thought it was ok to express my opinions. I have express my opinions on many players on this team from Bibby all the way down to Douby. However, I have also praised them as well. And I thought I did do that with my post above regarding Moore when I stated "He had a good game". However, I'm just not that impressed with him.
I was talking in generalities of what has happened in relation to Mikki Moore. I didn't mean to offend you nor attack. Frankly I can't keep the names straight of the people who make fun of him and my comments were directed at all.

Nothing personal to you. Sorry if you understood it that way and I can certainly understand why you took it that way.

Oh, and Entities comment is true. I'm not impressed with Mikki's skills but am impressed with his improvement and his attitude. I tried very hard to make that clear. I think he helps team chemistry and I think we all know that is very important having just seen a team with no chemistry. Maybe he's worth a little for that reason.

I probably won't comment much more today because it gets tiring justifying my enthusiasm for the Kings on a board made up of fans of the Kings. I never anticipated the necessity.

This is a Sacramento Kings board and we are fans of the Kings. In the past we cheered on our team and liked them unless they proved they were not worthy of our affection. Now it seems that new players are not cheered as Kings until they prove themselves to us. There has been a 180 degree shift.
 
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Entity

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I am very impressed with Reggie Theus thus far. He is making great adjustments during the games. He also never looks as if he isn't under control on the sidelines. Alot of first year coaches would throw in the towel after losing their starting backcourt yet he is poised and just makes the proper adjusments. All in all I think Reggie could be credited with a few of our wins and more to come. I can't say the same for last years coach. Reggie is going to succeed at this level.
 
#21
I am very impressed with Reggie Theus thus far. He is making great adjustments during the games. He also never looks as if he isn't under control on the sidelines. Alot of first year coaches would throw in the towel after losing their starting backcourt yet he is poised and just makes the proper adjusments. All in all I think Reggie could be credited with a few of our wins and more to come. I can't say the same for last years coach. Reggie is going to succeed at this level.
Agreed. Not only is the play during the games vastly more entertaining than last year, but watching Reggie control the team is a sight for sore eyes.
 

Kingster

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#24
Anybody still on the "Mikki is a terrible signing" bandwagon? The wheels are coming off, yes?
Ahhhhhh.............Yes....and NO.

Miki is 32 years old, with +/- 2.5 years to go. I like Miki's character, I like his play this year, but I'm really not into signing 32 year olds for a team that is "refurbishing", just like I wasn't into signing SAR for a team that was "refurbishing". It's nothing personal; it's just that I don't like getting old guys to build a team around. You know, if we didn't have Thomas, and we didn't have SAR, I would have been fine with signing Miki because we would need the token mature vet as a role model for the younger guys. But not when you already have SAR and Thomas as deadwood on the bench.
 
#25
Ahhhhhh.............Yes....and NO.

Miki is 32 years old, with +/- 2.5 years to go. I like Miki's character, I like his play this year, but I'm really not into signing 32 year olds for a team that is "refurbishing", just like I wasn't into signing SAR for a team that was "refurbishing".
Agreed. The things which made it a bad signing had little or nothing to do with performance. The only way he can help the rebuild effort is to get traded for young players and/or picks. Until then, every minute he's on the court is taking away minutes from Spencer and Justin. It's no fault of Mikki's, it's just the way it is.