Does Petrie Still Have It?...
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I dont believe...
He hasnt done anything but let talent bleed for the past 5 years or so. A lot of that could be on the Maloofs wanting to save cash, but either way thats Petrie being ineffective, whether its his fault or not.
Soooo.....It's gonna take both the Maloofs waking up and stopping their meddling enough to allow a rebuild AND Petrie realizing that a mishmash of offensively talented vets doesnt a team make.
He hasnt done anything but let talent bleed for the past 5 years or so. A lot of that could be on the Maloofs wanting to save cash, but either way thats Petrie being ineffective, whether its his fault or not.
Soooo.....It's gonna take both the Maloofs waking up and stopping their meddling enough to allow a rebuild AND Petrie realizing that a mishmash of offensively talented vets doesnt a team make.
I think does have what it takes but there are some issues that come to mind.
Will the owners allow him to go for a total rebuild? Or is their goal to make the play offs and get a profitable franchise?
How much financial room is there for Petrie to use?
He can't turn this around if the owners want to be in cost cutting mode. We have been bleeding talent for some time now just because the owners want to cut costs.
Like every other GM, Petrie needs some freedom to do his thing both in terms of making the final decision and some monetary freedom to make a splash if needed.
He has proven that has the required skills to build a contender if he has the recourses at hand to do it.
It will be tough but I think he can do it especially if we get really lucky in this draft.
Will the owners allow him to go for a total rebuild? Or is their goal to make the play offs and get a profitable franchise?
How much financial room is there for Petrie to use?
He can't turn this around if the owners want to be in cost cutting mode. We have been bleeding talent for some time now just because the owners want to cut costs.
Like every other GM, Petrie needs some freedom to do his thing both in terms of making the final decision and some monetary freedom to make a splash if needed.
He has proven that has the required skills to build a contender if he has the recourses at hand to do it.
It will be tough but I think he can do it especially if we get really lucky in this draft.
Ahem. Does he still HAVE it? 
I think he would have gotten away with a lot if it hadn't have been for those meddling owners! Realistically, a GM can only do as much as the owners will let him. I think with a new arena deal, the owners will loosen the purse strings in order to field a better product and get butts in the seats.
I think he would have gotten away with a lot if it hadn't have been for those meddling owners! Realistically, a GM can only do as much as the owners will let him. I think with a new arena deal, the owners will loosen the purse strings in order to field a better product and get butts in the seats.
i actually do think that the roster he assembled that almost won was a lot of luck.
his drafting so far is about a B grade. more good than bad, but its not like he snagged dirk, or gilbert. he has an eye for talent, but i think his guard centric do all play all 3 positions hinders him at time. hes not the god some make him out to be.
does he still have it? he doesnt have many trade pieces. will he be forced to once again trade for a disgruntled package (cwebb)? will that turn out right? its a lot of luck in this league. will he get lucky? lets hope so.
his drafting so far is about a B grade. more good than bad, but its not like he snagged dirk, or gilbert. he has an eye for talent, but i think his guard centric do all play all 3 positions hinders him at time. hes not the god some make him out to be.
does he still have it? he doesnt have many trade pieces. will he be forced to once again trade for a disgruntled package (cwebb)? will that turn out right? its a lot of luck in this league. will he get lucky? lets hope so.
ok, first on the idea that Petrie's first go-around was about luck. Uh, no. When you add Kevin Martin to the equation and factor in where he has been drafting, his draft record is extremely good to stellar (JWill set the tone for the winning era, even if there were better players around, Hedo, Peja...). Not San Antonio-level good with Tony Parker and Manu, but right up there at the top. That's not an accident. Then when you consider the string of incredible deals he pulled off to build those teams (Mitch for CWebb, Corliss for Christie, JWill for Bibby, Pollard and Hedo for Brad Miller), the savvy free agent signings (not just Vlade but Bobby, Pollard, Barry, Jim Jackson)... I'm sorry, one trade maybe you can consider luck, but that was continued excellence, with only one big misstep (the Nick Anderson era). I mean, the very idea that all of that was luck is ludicrous.
That said.
Right now I think there are a couple of problems -- one is the Maloofs constraining him, which is well-documented and not even worth discussing that much. It's a problem, hopefully it's over but we'll see.
The other problem I think he's facing is the Billy Beane problem. He's been so good for so long that people are scared to deal with him for fear of being screwed like all the other people who have dealt with Petrie. I don't know what happens behind closed doors, but I'm guessing that the minute someone gets wind that Petrie is interested in a player the opposing GM says, "Huh. Maybe I should take another look at this guy."
So to build another contending team is not going to be as easy as the first time around, and Petrie's going to have to be better than he was before. With the Maloofs getting in the way, it's that much harder.
I'm a huge Petrie fan, obviously, but it's going to be tough. I think the jury is out about whether he can do it again. At the same time, there aren't too many people I'd trust more to be GM, and so in Petrie I trust.
That said.
Right now I think there are a couple of problems -- one is the Maloofs constraining him, which is well-documented and not even worth discussing that much. It's a problem, hopefully it's over but we'll see.
The other problem I think he's facing is the Billy Beane problem. He's been so good for so long that people are scared to deal with him for fear of being screwed like all the other people who have dealt with Petrie. I don't know what happens behind closed doors, but I'm guessing that the minute someone gets wind that Petrie is interested in a player the opposing GM says, "Huh. Maybe I should take another look at this guy."
So to build another contending team is not going to be as easy as the first time around, and Petrie's going to have to be better than he was before. With the Maloofs getting in the way, it's that much harder.
I'm a huge Petrie fan, obviously, but it's going to be tough. I think the jury is out about whether he can do it again. At the same time, there aren't too many people I'd trust more to be GM, and so in Petrie I trust.
When Petrie started his campaign with the Kings he had an All-Star to trade (Richmond) and he had a 7th round pick and cap room. Now he doesn't have an All-Star, probably doesn't have the 7th pick, and doesn't have the cap room. Now he has a nutcase to trade, a one-dimensional overpaid point guard who'se had a lousy year, and an overpaid center who is probably untradable. I think he could make the Kings pretty good next year, maybe a playoff contender (8th seed). But I've yet to see the vision or the guts to suck it up, take the medicine, and go for the long haul rather than the quick fix. The Artest trade is evidence of a desperate front office grasping for the quick fix. Might we see more? Based on recent history, and the Maloof's who say, "We're not going to stand for this!", I'd guess he'll opt for another quick fix with some veterans, which will create enough interest to fill the seats when they compete for the 8th slot.
Petrie started his campaign three years before that.
1995: picked F Corliss Williamson (13), F Lou Roe (30), G Tyus Edney (47) and F Dejan Bodiroga (51).
1996: picked F Peja Stojakovic (14) and F Jason Sasser (41); traded G Sarunas Marciulionis and pick #37 for G Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1997: picked G Tarif Abdul-Wahad (11) and G Anthony Johnson (40).
1995: picked F Corliss Williamson (13), F Lou Roe (30), G Tyus Edney (47) and F Dejan Bodiroga (51).
1996: picked F Peja Stojakovic (14) and F Jason Sasser (41); traded G Sarunas Marciulionis and pick #37 for G Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.
1997: picked G Tarif Abdul-Wahad (11) and G Anthony Johnson (40).
True and also if your GM pulled off a trade that was greatly in his favor the other GMs will be thinking long and hard to make sure they are looking like a fool in the future. Also the Maloofs are going over GP in trades as well as tying him up financially so he has little to work with and some big contracts in hand so there is little wiggle room for him. I'd hope that with the arena deal looming and if the Kings are to stay in Sac like the Maloofs keep insisting they want...they better open those wallets a bit to allow GP to work and get the franchise players here to build around and win us games in the future. Currently we have a mixed matched group that isn't going anywhere but staying in the sellar of the league and being a perenial lottery team. While this would mean we would get good picks in the future, it isn't any guarantee that we'd pick good franchise type players. Many top picks are busts especially when you are talking about bigs which we need very badly. So getting a good lottery pick isn't a guarantee, but rather having a good deal of $ to go shopping around for known NBA talent is much better. Right now we are strapped and unless the Maloofs give GP a blank check and tell him to work his magic, there isn't a whole lot we can do short term to right this ship.
Yeah, you're right. He also signed Lionel to a longer term deal at the very beginning, which was not a good move. I guess it would more precise to say that at the start of the upward swing of his tenure he had the draft pick and the All-Star and the cap room, which he doesn't have now. I hope we don't have to wait 3 more years for the upward swing to occur. That would be a five year down cycle.
He actually did pretty good for us to nab KMart, and to a smaller degree at the moment Cisco. Douby I just don't see why. He like Muss really aced the interview by hitting everyshot I guess when we tested him. There were other people still available that I wished we got like PF Boone, PGs: Rondo, Williams, Rodriguez. You know what you get with Rondo and Rodriguez, both being talented on opposite ends of the spectrum...Rod offensive, Ron defensive, but both are equally needed young PGs that we need post Bibby, jnstead we get another potential Bibby in Douby a small 6'3" SG that we are trying to groom to play PG.
We can't get a franchise player via trades or free agency, no matter how much Maloofs are ready to spend. To get one via free agency, you have to be significantly under the cap. To get one via trade, you have to have assets.
Even in such a scenario, getting one is extremely tough. Superstars are rarely available, and often sign with teams that they are currently playing for, since they can get a max deal there. The only reason they might consider playing for less is if they feel they can play for a championship, and we are far from there. As for sign and trade (just like any trade), we just don't have the pieces. Maybe in a few years, but not right now.
That is the reason, that getting a stud via the draft is so important.
Even in such a scenario, getting one is extremely tough. Superstars are rarely available, and often sign with teams that they are currently playing for, since they can get a max deal there. The only reason they might consider playing for less is if they feel they can play for a championship, and we are far from there. As for sign and trade (just like any trade), we just don't have the pieces. Maybe in a few years, but not right now.
That is the reason, that getting a stud via the draft is so important.
COULDN'T AGREE MORE! That's why one lousy game in lost column this year might have been as important an event since the Kings have been in Sacto. All I can say is, if the team that picks 6th - where we could have been- ends up winning the lotto, or even coming in 2nd, there will be more wailing and gnashing of teeth on this board than in Dante's Inferno.
I think we're gonna have to wait at least two or three years before we even get out of the first round, not to mention make noise late in the playoffs.
And that's if everybody - including Petrie, the Maloofs, the new coach (crosses fingers) - handles their assignments near perfectly. Let us make a significant mistake, and you'll see this fan base disintegrate as we fail to contend year after year after year.
And that's if everybody - including Petrie, the Maloofs, the new coach (crosses fingers) - handles their assignments near perfectly. Let us make a significant mistake, and you'll see this fan base disintegrate as we fail to contend year after year after year.