Bee: Artest's one-man show draws glum review

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Marty Mac's world: Artest's one-man show draws glum review



By Martin McNeal - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, November 21, 2006


Perhaps the only thing Ron Artest can't do on a basketball court is shoot accurately from distance. Yet there are times when it appears that's what he most wants to do.

That's not the case. What Artest most wants is to win.

What he and his coaches have to figure out soon is how best to enable him to make it happen. That's going to take more than nine games to assess and then enact. But it's going to happen soon because the Kings are working against the odds in many ways.

They are small and relatively unathletic along the frontline, even when starting center Brad Miller is healthy. Right now he is not, although he did shoot following Monday's practice.

Small and unathletic means no shot-blocking. And that means every opponent's game plan is to take the ball to the basket fearlessly. In the Kings' past two games -- losses at Golden State and at home against San Antonio -- the doughnut defense (perimeter glaze, but that big ol' hole in the middle) was abused by the Warriors' Baron Davis and the Spurs' Tim Duncan.

Sunday night, Duncan looked like Bill Walton in the 1973 NCAA final, when he made 21 of 22 shots for UCLA against Memphis State. Duncan was unstoppable, and the double teams didn't come often and quickly or aggressively enough to make him flinch.

So the Kings were doomed, especially when their offense showed no rhythm, cohesion and/or desire to work as a team to attack the Spurs' intelligent, active defense.

Some of that can be pinned on Artest, who too often looked to do things alone. It worked early in the game, when his jumper was falling and he was getting to the basket. Unfortunately for himself and the Kings, that might have been a bad thing.

"I have total confidence," he said Monday after practice. "If I'm missing shots, I don't think it's my fault. It must be something else."

Artest chuckled after making that comment, but it might be best for him to temper his confidence a tad. Artest twice asked out of Sunday's game because of a tightened back. He was just 1 for 4 on three-point attempts and has made just 18.4 percent of his long-range shots.

Those attempts often come late in the 24-second clock. Perhaps just as often, though, they occur because Artest dribbled too long and, in effect, forced himself into that situation.

Artest said he began the season thinking while playing but more recently has been just playing instinctively.

"I think it's going to come for us," said Artest, who leads the league in steals per game (3.4) and is first on the team in minutes (39.7) and rebounding (8.3), second in assists (3.4) and third in scoring (17.9). "We have to find our identity, and I think we'll do that, but we haven't played together that long.

"Coming into the season, I didn't know Kevin Martin was going to be playing like damned near a first-team All-NBA guard. I don't need to shoot from the outside all the time. I'm going to keep taking the ball to the hole, but I'm always going to also think I can make shots from outside."

Veteran guard Jason Hart said he has spoken to Artest about making sure he gets good shots.

"Ron listens to you," Hart said. "I just think he sometimes feels he has to do it by himself, and that's what he's got to learn. He can't do that. And I think it'll come to him."

One interesting point, however, is that the coaching staff said it speaks to Artest about shot selection, while more than a few players say they've never heard that. Players, especially those with mega-skills such as Artest, need to be coached up if they are to reach their potential.

What's scariest about Artest: Offensively, he still has upside. It's just an itch that needs to be scratched a little taste.

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I don't know whether to be scared or encouraged by this article.
I'm not worried. You shouldn't look into what Jason Hart says for 2 reasons. First, he is Jason Hart. Second, he asked for a trade and therefore shouldn't be consulted on "team" issues.

Ron said it himself: we're still looking for an identity, and we haven't played many games together. And he didn't mention how injuries have hindered that progress.

Of course, just like every other thread, a real big man solves that identity problem but I'm not trying to go there. ;)
 
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I'm not worried. You shouldn't look into what Jason Hart says for 2 reasons. First, he is Jason Hart. Second, he asked for a trade and therefore shouldn't be consulted on "team" issues.

Ron said it himself: we're still looking for an identity, and we haven't played many games together. And he didn't mention how injuries have hindered that progress.

Of course, just like every other thread, a real big man solves that identity problem but I'm not trying to go there. ;)
Well, take it from Ron himself:

"I have total confidence," he said Monday after practice. "If I'm missing shots, I don't think it's my fault. It must be something else."
 

VF21

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I'm not worried - except maybe about Jason Hart.

Over-analyzing Ron Artest statements is not a good habit to get into. Remember, that was the FIRST piece of advice the Pacers fans gave us and it still holds true today. Let Ron's actions ON the court speak for him. Much like Webber, I think people may tend to read way too much into a quote in a newspaper article.
 
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I'm not worried - except maybe about Jason Hart.

Over-analyzing Ron Artest statements is not a good habit to get into. Remember, that was the FIRST piece of advice the Pacers fans gave us and it still holds true today. Let Ron's actions ON the court speak for him. Much like Webber, I think people may tend to read way too much into a quote in a newspaper article.
Normally I would agree, but in this case the on-the-court actions are speaking just as loudly as his off the court words. He just isn't getting it on offense, and it's a problem.

Let me be perfectly clear that Ron = great, love his defense, love his presence, love the tone he sets, love Queens, etc. etc. But the Kings are going to struggle offensively until Ron starts taking better shots. There have been only two games in the season when Ron seemed to get it -- Toronto and Memphis, both the Kings' best offenisve performances, and both wins. Then against Golden State and San Antonio he reverted back to form, both losses.

In wins, Ron's shooting 44%. In losses 32%. Now, Bibby shoots 44% in wins and 27% in losses, but Bibby is pretty much taking the same shots every night -- he's just inconsistent. With Ron, it's either a night of good shots or a night of bad shots. With his ability to post up and get to the rim there's no reason why he should be such a low percentage shooter. He just needs to take good shots.

This problem kills me because it's such a fixable problem. That is, it's fixable if Ron gets it. So far not so good.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
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Problem is, his actions on the court seem to backup his crazy statements. (edit: nbrans beat me to the punch on this one)

Dude takes waaaaaay too many threes (I think 1 is too many from him considering his %), and I think everybody would like to see him take less jumpshots....

Ron has given Kevin some pointers on defense, maybe Kevin can return the favor by giving Ron some tips on shot selection and offensive efficency :p
 
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nbrans said:
In wins, Ron's shooting 44%. In losses 32%. Now, Bibby shoots 44% in wins and 27% in losses, but Bibby is pretty much taking the same shots every night -- he's just inconsistent. With Ron, it's either a night of good shots or a night of bad shots. With his ability to post up and get to the rim there's no reason why he should be such a low percentage shooter. He just needs to take good shots.
Word.

Part of it though is that the exact same shot can be a good shot for one player but a bad shot for another. After all, I wouldn't want Michael "the Animal" Smith taking three's, even if he's wide open. But Kevin Martin? Definitely, take as many open threes as you want.

Artest gets in a lot of isolation situations and then settles for a contested jump shot. That would be a case of bad shot selection. (Might not have been for someone, say, Mitch Richmond.) FT%, after all, would be a pretty good indicator of how good of a "pure" shooter someone is in a typical nba-game setting (there are a few apparent exceptions, like Bruce Bowen, but that's just because he's only comfortable shooting from the two corners), and Artest is about what you would expect--not a terrible shooter, but shooting's not his strong point. Kevin Martin often pulls up with these awkward looking, often off-balanced jumpers that would be considered bad shots for most. But for Martin, he's so athletic that he can usually make the adjustments he needs in the air to get off a good shot, and he's a good enough shooter that the result is more often than not a good one. So I wouldn't mind seeing Martin getting isolated more and use his quickness to get by defenders at the 2 position who are usually bulkier but slower than him. (Not to mention the fouls he often draws just by taking the hit before the shot or just by taking it all the way to the hole.)
 

VF21

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I guess I'm just a little bit more willing to accept the less-than-ideal offense along with the incredible defense.

No player is going to be perfect in everything he does. Do I scream at the TV at times when I think Ron is trying to do too much himself? Yeah. Ron wants to win. That in and of itself buys him a certain amount of leeway from me. Ron sets the bar for the others on the team to try and reach. That, too, merits some consideration.

We are NOT - and I think I might make this VF21's First Rule of 2006-2007 Kings Basketball - a cohesive unit right now. We are not an accomplished team working together. The game against the Spurs should have made that painfully obvious.

There will be, I think, give and take as the team struggles to determine its identity. In addition, we're trying to play through a variety of injuries, which means players are jockeying for position to fill the gaps.

Having said all that, I think they'll work it out. I'm more worried about a whole bunch of other stuff that, at least to me, is much more pressing than whether or not Artest takes an ill-advised jumper or three.
 
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Artest gets in a lot of isolation situations and then settles for a contested jump shot. That would be a case of bad shot selection. (Might not have been for someone, say, Mitch Richmond.)
Maybe I'm just old, but when someone draws comparisons between our star player and Mitch Richmond, it gives me a serious case of the willies. Kind of like someone who can never drink tequila again because of some really horrible experience in their past, it's just a thought which makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

We now resume our regular broadcast.
 
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As many of you know I am a Pacers fan, and probably Ron's biggest fan while he was a member of the Pacers.

let me also say that I don't/can't watch every Kings game, I try to watch as much as I can, but I really don't watch all that much. So disregard my comments if you want for that reason.

I've been very surprised how Ron has been used on the offensive end this season. He gets the ball everywhere and anywhere and he is seemingly supposed to make plays.

I think that approach is all wrong. What the Pacers did and what I believe what the Kings should do is use Artest in very specific ways and in very specific spots on the floor. Don't just give him the ball and have it go at it.

It is very simple: 1) Either post Ron up on the low block or even mid post and let him create starting close to the basket. 2) Or isolate him on the wings - foul line extended, about 18 feet from the basket. That way he can shoot the ball, drive or kick,

Really those are the only two instances that Ron should ever get the ball. Disclaimer: of course there are fastbreak situations (Ron isn't very good at those though) or early offense situations where things are different, but on set plays, Ron should not be getting the ball 25 feet from the basket. But the Kings did that last year with him also.

Oh and one last thing - Ron should never shoot more than 1 three pointer per game.

You might read this and say, wow that is restrictive - yes it is but that is what you have to do with Ron.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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You might read this and say, wow that is restrictive - yes it is but that is what you have to do with Ron.
There is a significant question whether he would accept it though, since a large part of his excuse for rebelling last year in Pacersland was to escape exactly such restrictions.
 
#13
I to would rather see Ron use his offensive game from the 18 ft and closer range. As much as I hate to say it, I don't like when Ron starts off hot at the beginning of the game. There is no ball movement and these are the times when Ron brings up the ball, dribbles to one of the wings and fires. I don't mind him shooting three's when he's open it's just when he starts to force them. In response to Uncle Buck's quote, I think Ron has finished pretty well on fast breaks this past year. If you watched Peja consistently while he was a King anything was better then his soft layuos on the break.
 
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There is a significant question whether he would accept it though, since a large part of his excuse for rebelling last year in Pacersland was to escape exactly such restrictions.
Exactly. And this, to me, brings up a scary question: can a team where Ron shoots however he sees fit win a championship? I'm not so sure. Having your leading shot-taker shooting below 40% is a huge drain on an offense. And yet we've already seen with Carlisle that if a coach tries to contain Ron's offense he implodes. So how do you contain his impulses?

I think the only other option is to have an offensive alpha who controls the offense. But since Ron does not sense that he is not Kobe, it's a big question mark if that will work. How will he react to being a third option, which is really what he should be? (and really, if he can't see that Martin should be taking the most shots, then who knows)

Again, I don't want to sound anti-Ron. Without him this team is pretty terrible. But put me down as nervous. Yes, the Kings are nowhere without Ron and every player has weaknesses. Overall he's a net positive. But he's nowhere near the net positive that he could be.
 

VF21

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Again, I don't want to sound anti-Ron. Without him this team is pretty terrible. But put me down as nervous. Yes, the Kings are nowhere without Ron and every player has weaknesses. Overall he's a net positive. But he's nowhere near the net positive that he could be.
I do hear what you're saying, and I have to admit to being just a tad nervous. I want to believe, however, that the rest of the team, the coaching staff and Ron himself will find a way to make all of this work. Why? Because the alternative isn't very much fun to contemplate ... at all.
 
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Actually I would rather see Ron create for others. He is a terrific passer and should average at least 5 assists a game. His problem is taking 22-25 shots a game. He should chop 3-5 off that number and add those to his assist total.

If you really look at the games after the fact, you see how they are beginning to run plays and stuff. They just haven't figured it out yet. Hopefully they do.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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His problem is taking 22-25 shots a game
Whoa now! :D

Ron is taking 17 a game, and 5.8 FTs, so mayeb anotehr 2-3 shots there.

Mike is taking 15 a game and 6.8 FTs.

Kevin is taking 14 a game and 7.4 FTs.

Ron takes too many bad shots, but the difference between he, Mike, and Kevin is actually less than 3 attempts a game. And factor in ron playing marginally more minutes -- 39.7 to Kevin's 38.7 and Mike's 37.7, and the difference per minute is less still.
 
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Whoa now! :D

Ron is taking 17 a game, and 5.8 FTs, so mayeb anotehr 2-3 shots there.

Mike is taking 15 a game and 6.8 FTs.

Kevin is taking 14 a game and 7.4 FTs.

Ron takes too many bad shots, but the difference between he, Mike, and Kevin is actually less than 3 attempts a game. And factor in ron playing marginally more minutes -- 39.7 to Kevin's 38.7 and Mike's 37.7, and the difference per minute is less still.
That actually reminds me of another interesting stat. In wins, Ron shoots 15.6 a game. In losses he shoots 18.8. Mike actually shoots more in wins, Kevin about the same.

I'm not about to make Ron's shot totals the reason the Kings lost, but it's interesting because 15.6 is about right, 18.8 definitely too much.
 
#19
It feels like 25 a night when we lose! :D

Well in some of the losses he's gone for 20 or more. really eratic, one game he shoots the ball less than 10 times. Another he'll shoot the ball 20+ times.
 
#22
Ron isn't used to taking the hard shots he's taking now and his back is hurt. If it gets better and once he starts taking better shots and/or getting used to the shots he's taking he'll hit more shots. You guys have to admit a lot of Kevin's shots have been open looks Ron or Mike have gotten him.
 
#23
While there are some good points in this article, it almost seems as if it was written to stir up some trouble, to make some people upset and see what happens.....
 
#24
Ron isn't used to taking the hard shots he's taking now and his back is hurt. If it gets better and once he starts taking better shots and/or getting used to the shots he's taking he'll hit more shots. You guys have to admit a lot of Kevin's shots have been open looks Ron or Mike have gotten him.
According to an Amick story in the Bee, Ron's back is hurting because he has had to drive his wife's car - and it's too small (Mercedes SL 500). You'd think that Ron could afford to have at least a few cars around that fit him?

It seems strange, but then again, maybe he liked the car and didn't realize that it was cramping him too much? Those sorts of things can creep up on you.

Glad to hear his back problem isn't game related.
 
#25
I'm sure that's why Ron's getting into his little side business of rapping. Gotta make some spare change to buy himself a more spacious car. :D So to fix Ron's back problems, let's all go buy copies of his album now! :eek: