Kevin Martin Ranked 14th Best Player In League.. (ahead Of Duncan And Dwade!)

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WOW... this is impressive.. Martin is now ranked among the top players in the league! he is ranked above some of the top players in the league including, Duncan, Wade, Iverson, and even nash! way to go kevin... next up... allstar write in??


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Kevin Martin
This week a national TV audience has gotten to see what we've known for a while: Martin is an efficient scorer with a creative touch and someone who won't even attempt a shot unless it has a real chance to go in. Not only is the 23-year-old guard leading the Kings in scoring with 24.1 points per game, but he's also doing it on a Sacramento team that is 25th in offensive efficiency and scores just 97 points per game despite its quicker pace. Martin is shooting 52.6 percent from the floor, 41.2 percent from three-point range and 93.4 percent from the free throw line


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/kelly_dwyer/11/17/player.rankings/1.html

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NBA Player Power Rankings
Rank LW Player
1 5 LeBron James
LeBron James
A big chunk of the credit behind Cleveland's 6-2 opening should flow toward improved play from the likes of Drew Gooden and a stout defense, but that shouldn't take away from LeBron's brilliance so far. The 21-year old wunderkind is averaging 28.6 points, 6.5 assists and 7.4 rebounds, and he's making more of an impact on the defensive end in his fourth season. The Cavs rank third in overall defensive efficiency, up from 14th last season.
2 4 Yao Ming
Yao Ming
It became obvious last season that Yao was the game's best center, and save for his last two iffy outings, he's been the NBA's best player this season. Not only has he dominated during the Rockets' 6-3 start, but he's also doing it with a supporting cast that is still finding its way. Though Yao is averaging 17.6 shots a game, Houston's inability to get the big man the ball down the stretch of its loss to San Antonio on Tuesday was a little unnerving. That said, the Rockets are playing terrific basketball despite the feeling-out stage, and Yao is averaging a monstrous 25.7 points (on 53 percent shooting), 9.8 boards and 1.78 blocks in 35 minutes a game.
3 12 Michael Redd
Michael Redd
Maybe the Milwaukee loss took away from the accomplishment, or perhaps Kobe Bryant's recent 81-point explosion made it seem like child's play. Or, more than likely, the fact that it came on a Saturday night deep in football season, following an afternoon of college football upsets, led to a collective yawn from the sporting fandom at large. In any case, Redd's 57-point performance against Utah was a sight to behold, and the league's leading scorer seems eminently capable of hanging onto his crown for the duration of the season.
4 14 Dirk Nowitzki
Dirk Nowitzki
Don't look now, but Nowitzki's averages (26 points, 9.3 rebounds, just 2.14 turnovers) are on par with his last two seasons, when he was as good an MVP candidate as anyone. It's early, of course, but he's also on pace to make more than half his shots from the field, 40 percent from behind the arc and 90 percent from the free throw line. Following through on those marks would put him in select NBA company that includes his good friend Steve Nash and Larry Bird.
5 1 Zach Randolph
Zach Randolph
On one hand, it's a bit improbable that Randolph is playing the way he is. He's never been able to keep it together for long -- a pout or poor defensive rotation have always seemed as likely as a 30-and-15 night -- so it's nice to see him contribute so much to Portland's strong first few weeks. That said, Randolph has oozed nothing but talent since high school and he worked his tail off to come back from microfracture knee surgery, so it's probably time to stop with the slack-jawed reactions and start to expect these sort of averages (27 points, 10.2 rebounds) from here on out.
6 15 Carlos Boozer
Carlos Boozer
Far and away the best player on the NBA's best team thus far, Boozer is piling up the numbers without needing the ball much. He looked pretty impressive working his way around the Clippers' Elton Brand on Tuesday. Boozer scored only 16 points, but he made 7-of-13 shots, pulled in 15 rebounds and dished seven assists. Like Yao, Boozer also plays 35 minutes a game, but he's still managed to average 21.1 points, 12.6 rebounds and 3.6 assists.
7 7 Kevin Garnett
Kevin Garnett
It nearly goes without saying that the Timberwolves would have trouble winning one game out of 10 without KG in the lineup. Though his offensive exploits often seem the most spectacular, Garnett is keeping his team in games with his superior defensive impact. Even on a team with subpar defenders like Mark Blount, Mike James, Marko Jaric and Troy Hudson receiving extended minutes, Garnett and fellow defensive stalwart Trenton Hassell have led the Timberwolves to a top-10 showing in overall defensive efficiency.
8 13 Joe Johnson
Joe Johnson
His Hawks have come back to earth, dropping two in a row after winning four of five to start the season, but Johnson continues to shine. He's averaging 28.9 points on a team that is among the slowest in the NBA (Atlanta is averaging about 89 possessions per game). Johnson is getting to the line more (6.6 attempts a game), and his touch in the paint has been spot-on.
9 11 Paul Pierce
Paul Pierce
Pierce is keeping his chin up, which is a lovely thing when you get paid millions of dollars to play a game for a living, but we wouldn't begrudge him a rant or two if things continue to go this poorly for his Celtics. Boston has opened 2-6, but a break or three could have allowed for a reversal of that record, all while Pierce chugs right along. He's leading the team in points, rebounds, steals and minutes ... but seems to have fallen short in blocks, registering just one for the season. Pity. Let's pick it up, Paul.
10 17 Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Carter is having a career year thus far, but we're not seeing the usual contract-year clichés come to the fore. For one, his Nets started the season on a defensive tear, with Carter doing yeoman's work in the paint as coach Lawrence Frank went to a smaller lineup. Secondly, though Carter is shooting the ball a bit more often (especially with Richard Jefferson on the shelf), his shooting percentages are way up across the board. Still, the Nets need all the production they can get, even with Jefferson in the lineup, though Jason Kidd's resurgence is a welcome sight.
11 3 Gilbert Arenas
Gilbert Arenas
Arenas hasn't exactly been feast or famine, but he has been inconsistent at times. It's hard to find fault in his game outside of the odd 5-of-19 shooting nights, and his assists (6.9 a game) and long-range shooting (38.3 percent) have improved.
12 6 Chris Bosh
Chris Bosh
Growing before our very eyes, Bosh is holding the fort for a Raptors team that is still trying to develop on the fly. His scoring average, shooting percentages and block totals are right in line with last season's pace, but he's made an astonishing leap in the rebounding department. Bosh is averaging nearly five more rebounds per game this season than he did in 2005-06 (from 9.2 to 13.9) while playing two fewer minutes per game. He's grabbing 20.4 percent of all rebounds available while he's playing, a mark good for seventh in the NBA.
13 10 Chris Paul
Chris Paul
Paul was impressive in his head-to-head duel with Detroit's Chauncey Billups on Wednesday night. Though Paul (20 points on just 14 shots, 13 assists to zero turnovers) didn't exactly shut down Billups (29 points on 17 shots, nine assists to one turnover), he did old his own. And holding your own against Billups, as a second-year guard, is quite the accomplishment. Leading your Hornets over the Pistons in Detroit is yet another.
14 - Kevin Martin
Kevin Martin
This week a national TV audience has gotten to see what we've known for a while: Martin is an efficient scorer with a creative touch and someone who won't even attempt a shot unless it has a real chance to go in. Not only is the 23-year-old guard leading the Kings in scoring with 24.1 points per game, but he's also doing it on a Sacramento team that is 25th in offensive efficiency and scores just 97 points per game despite its quicker pace. Martin is shooting 52.6 percent from the floor, 41.2 percent from three-point range and 93.4 percent from the free throw line.
15 16 Tim Duncan
Tim Duncan
Duncan's superb defense and attention to detail are allowing his Spurs to play just well enough to win in a 6-2 start. The perimeter looks aren't falling as much for San Antonio, and though Duncan should take some of the blame for this mini-swoon, he's still offering some sound statistics: 21.5 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and 1.5 blocks.
16 18 Dwyane Wade
Dwyane Wade
As predicted, Wade is carrying this veteran group of underachievers. The defending champs have won just three of seven, and Shaquille O'Neal has played miserably when healthy (he's shown up for four games thus far). Wade is leading the Heat in points (26.9), assists (7.1) and steals (1.6). Miami's schedule isn't getting any easier; it plays four of its next six on the road, though only one game (against San Antonio on Nov. 22) comes against a 2005-06 playoff team.
17 8 Steve Nash
Steve Nash
Nash's statistics have leveled off since last week's Rankings, merely to around his averages during his MVP season of 2005-06. His Suns have won only two of seven games to start the season, but good news awaits: Phoenix enjoyed five days off after its win over the Grizzlies last Saturday, and seven of its next eight opponents missed the playoffs last season.
18 2 Allen Iverson
Allen Iverson
He's shot 12-of-42 (29 percent) in his last two games, but this hasn't gotten in the way of his ability to get to the line and keep the scoring average in place. Iverson made 23-of-25 free throws against Denver and Seattle.
19 - Tony Parker
Tony Parker
His defense is suspect and his shot selection can be called into question, but Parker's efficiency and scoring touch have improved in his sixth season. The 24-year old is averaging 22.3 points for the Southwest Division-leading Spurs, his turnovers are down (just 2.4 in 35 minutes a night) and he continues to make more than half his shots from the floor. Also, you can tell he enjoys playing with the NBA's new official ball, which has a funny way of clinging to the rim on floaters in the lane.
20 - Carmelo Anthony
Carmelo Anthony
Anthony's Nuggets may look a disappointment on paper thanks to a 3-4 start, but this is about a .500 team, with or without the injured Kenyon Martin. Some of Anthony's statistics are a disappointment, especially his 4.3 rebounds and 4.1 turnovers, but his 30.6-point scoring average in only 35 minutes a game is an impressive clip.
 
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#2
Ok this is getting out of hand... First of all, how are Duncan, Wade, Iverson, and Nash ranked below 14? Second of all, how has Kevin been better than ANY of those players. Those players are superstars and the face of their franchise. Especially Duncan who's team is at 8-2. Kevin has been playing awesome, and more importantly extremely efficient. But doesn't have to carry even CLOSE to the load that those guys do. Regaurdless, I'm glad Kevin is getting the recognition he deserves after all his hard work. Keep it up Kev, the Kings need you more than you probably understand.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#4
Ok, this article is almost embarrassing. Really now. Was trying to figure out exactly what he was trying to do with weekly player power rankings, and failing. Maybe its just who had the best week?
 

Spike

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Staff member
#5
It's not like he's saying that Martin's a better player than the others mentioned, but that he's currently playing better than the others are. That's all. FWIW, he's right. Martin's playing wonderfully.
 
#6
That's wonderful to see... I think Kevin deserves it, right now he's playing like a superstar, better than Duncan and Wade. So hey, what the heck, it's nice.:cool:
 
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Ok, this article is almost embarrassing. Really now. Was trying to figure out exactly what he was trying to do with weekly player power rankings, and failing. Maybe its just who had the best week?
alright brick, how are you going to try to take away credit where credit is due?? you may say Kevin does not deserve this but he most deffiantly does. lets compare martin to wade for example.

Kevin: 23.7 pts, shooting 52%, only taking on average 14.1 shots a game, and shooting 94 percent from the line, grabbing 5.1 rebs, and averaging 1.9 steals.

Wade: 27.2 pts, shooting 44.8 percent, talking 20.3 shots a game, shooting 83 percent from the line, grabing 4.8 rebs a game and averaging 1.7 steals a game.

Summary: Kevin is only averaging 3.5 less points a game but taking 6 less shots, kevin is shooting about 8% better then wade and grabbing more rebounds and creating more steals a game. GIVE KEVIN SOME CREDIT.. based on what has happened since the start of the season kevin DESERVES to be ranked 14!
 
#8
Numbers don't say everything... There are certain intangibles that make Wade, Duncan, Iverson etc. better. Because they have to create for their team, they are the main focus. They are the leaders, they are the superstars. Kevin is not. Bottom line. I think it's unfortunate, I think many people will feel the same way that many of us do. People may begin to underrate him, as he becomes overrated in the media.
 
#9
Numbers don't say everything... There are certain intangibles that make Wade, Duncan, Iverson etc. better. Because they have to create for their team, they are the main focus. They are the leaders, they are the superstars. Kevin is not. Bottom line. I think it's unfortunate, I think many people will feel the same way that many of us do. People may begin to underrate him, as he becomes overrated in the media.
yes they are superstars but you say they should be rated higher because of that? NO.. kevins numbers are high because he is playing at an incredible level... he is playin just as good as the superstars at this moment in the season.... why is everyone such pessimists when it comes to giving kevin credit???
 
#10
Kevin Martin has turned out to be a legitimate scorer. I'll even admit he has become a consistent shooter. Don't know that he has the kind of all around game or body (yet) to be considered a great all around player.

I still don't believe he has been the focus of other teams and time will tell if he continues to score 20+. I am surprised by his emergence and happy about it. The longer the Kings go with an inadequate roster though the sooner his high ranking will disintegrate. We are truly undermanned and Kevin needs help.

Kenny Thomas guarding Tim Duncan. Duncan is not still the greatest, he was guarded by Thomas and Williamson. These are two guys that should be 10-11 players (and would be) for any other team in the league. NO wonder we can't trade them.
 
#12
kevin is playing at such a higher level than most of the players in the league right now. At this point he's playing better than the players below him. It doesn't make him a better player than them, it just means he's playing better.
 
#15
alright brick, how are you going to try to take away credit where credit is due?? you may say Kevin does not deserve this but he most deffiantly does. lets compare martin to wade for example.

Kevin: 23.7 pts, shooting 52%, only taking on average 14.1 shots a game, and shooting 94 percent from the line, grabbing 5.1 rebs, and averaging 1.9 steals.

Wade: 27.2 pts, shooting 44.8 percent, talking 20.3 shots a game, shooting 83 percent from the line, grabing 4.8 rebs a game and averaging 1.7 steals a game.

Summary: Kevin is only averaging 3.5 less points a game but taking 6 less shots, kevin is shooting about 8% better then wade and grabbing more rebounds and creating more steals a game. GIVE KEVIN SOME CREDIT.. based on what has happened since the start of the season kevin DESERVES to be ranked 14!
Maybe Wade is distracted by getting 7.2 assists a game with a 1.71 assist/TO ratio. That's 5 more per game than Kevin gets, with a ratio below 1.1, and 40% of what our entire franchise gets. I realize that they do not play the same position, but if you're going to base an argument on stats, you should include all of them, not just those that go the way you want.

I think Kevin's doing absolutely great, but, to be objective... try trading Kevin for Wade in your fantasy league and let me know how it works out for you.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#16
I think this is all just a tad premature. As someone who has a front row seat on the Kevin Martin bandwagon, I'm very proud of what he's doing but let's see how he does for a little longer than the first couple of weeks of the season.

I would much rather the national media just leave him alone ... at least for now.
 
#17
I would much rather the national media just leave him alone ... at least for now.
I have to agree. I'd prefer if we could have kept Kevin a secret at least from the national media, but it's too late now. I have confidence that Kevin can do what he needs to do, however I hope that all the attention that he is getting from the media doesn't distract him. It would be a heartbreaker for him to go on a slump now, so i hope someone keeps him away from the tv and the newspaper so he isn't influenced by the media ;)
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#19
alright brick, how are you going to try to take away credit where credit is due?? you may say Kevin does not deserve this but he most deffiantly does. lets compare martin to wade for example.

Kevin: 23.7 pts, shooting 52%, only taking on average 14.1 shots a game, and shooting 94 percent from the line, grabbing 5.1 rebs, and averaging 1.9 steals.

Wade: 27.2 pts, shooting 44.8 percent, talking 20.3 shots a game, shooting 83 percent from the line, grabing 4.8 rebs a game and averaging 1.7 steals a game.

Summary: Kevin is only averaging 3.5 less points a game but taking 6 less shots, kevin is shooting about 8% better then wade and grabbing more rebounds and creating more steals a game. GIVE KEVIN SOME CREDIT.. based on what has happened since the start of the season kevin DESERVES to be ranked 14!

Its just a tad easier to put up numbers in the shadows than it is when you are the one given the ball, making the decisions, and having to carry the team in face of being the focus of the entire other team's offense. Kevin is doing his job very very well -- but his job, like Peja's, currently exists at a fundamentally lesser level than Dwayne Wade's job.

And for the 50th time since the start of the season I'll just mention that I've had this very same discussion dozens of times before during the Peja years. The only mitigation being that Kevin is still young, and has skills that might one day let him cross into that next class. Maybe.
 
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Maybe Wade is distracted by getting 7.2 assists a game with a 1.71 assist/TO ratio. That's 5 more per game than Kevin gets, with a ratio below 1.1, and 40% of what our entire franchise gets. I realize that they do not play the same position, but if you're going to base an argument on stats, you should include all of them, not just those that go the way you want.

I think Kevin's doing absolutely great, but, to be objective... try trading Kevin for Wade in your fantasy league and let me know how it works out for you.

awesome... wade is beating kevin in that one stat category, but martin is beating wade in almost every other... the main reason wade is beating martin in assists is because wade is the focal point of the heats offence and touches the ball just about everytime down the floor.. see kevin is a DIFFERENT type of player... he does not need to touch the ball every trip down court, he just lets the game come to him and about every game u look up at the score board and see he put up 25 or so... the rankings are what is currently going on in the league, and currently martin has been "ON FIRE". does this mean kevin is a better player then wade and the rest? no, its just saying RIGHT NOW martin is playing better then those other players. and you talk about trading kevin for wade in a fantasy league, but no one would do it because often times people will make trades based off names, not the stats a player puts up. wake up and realize kevin is playing awesome. it seems to me kings fans always want to complain and don't realize the talent we have...just like the fans did with webber, peja, bibby.. the list goes on....
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#21
awesome brick... wade is beating kevin in that one stat category, but martin is beating wade in almost every other... the main reason wade is beating martin in assists is because wade is the focal point of the heats offence and touches the ball just about everytime down the floor.. see kevin is a DIFFERENT type of player... he does not need to touch the ball every trip down court, he just lets the game come to him and about every game u look up at the score board and see he put up 25 or so... the rankings are what is currently going on in the league, and currently martin has been "ON FIRE". does this mean kevin is a better player then wade and the rest? no, its just saying RIGHT NOW martin is playing better then those other players. and you talk about trading kevin for wade in a fantasy league, but no one would do it because often times people will make trades based off names, not the stats a player puts up. wake up and realize kevin is playing awesome. it seems to me kings fans always want to complain and don't realize the talent we have...just like the fans did with webber, peja, bibby.. the list goes on....

screw fantasy league -- try pulling that trade off in real life. See what happens. Good for a giggle I am sure.

And sorry my friend, the "agenda" problem with any fanbase, including this one, is exactly the opposite of "not realizing the talent we have".
 
#22
Martin in the same discussion as Wade? Are you kidding me? Martin has had 3 weeks of playing at an all star level....Wade was an MVP candidate last year, oh and he also won the NBA title.

Martin is putting up great numbers, and I think he'll be a great player, but putting him in the same level as Wade is completely obsurd. Kevin hasn't shown the explosivenes or hunger to carry a team like Wade, Duncan, AI, and Kobe have.

If you want to compare Wade and Martin, ask yourself out of all the GMs in the league, how many of them would pick Wade over Martin. If your answer is below 30, then you simply don't belong in this discussion as much as Martin doesn't.
 
#26
K-Mart

Count me as a huge Kevin Martin fan as well. I agree it's a bit early to proclaim him league MVP. But I enjoy seeing a possible star in the making for once who's on my team. It reminds me a little of the hype for J-Will. Except in K-Mart's case, he may be for real. It's fun to watch him gain confidence slowly. Now he needs to get more plays in the offense and take more shots.
 
#27
Martin in the same discussion as Wade? Are you kidding me? Martin has had 3 weeks of playing at an all star level....Wade was an MVP candidate last year, oh and he also won the NBA title.
how come no one understands.... i (and the article) am talking about martin up to this point in the season... not if wade was an mvp canidate or not last season, strictly this season and you even admit martin has had 3 weekts of playing like an all star.... thats all we are talking about is the 3 weeks 9 games that have been played THIS SEASON!
 
#28
how come no one understands.... i (and the article) am talking about martin up to this point in the season... not if wade was an mvp canidate or not last season, strictly this season and you even admit martin has had 3 weekts of playing like an all star.... thats all we are talking about is the 3 weeks 9 games that have been played THIS SEASON!
I know what you're saying, and I agree. If it's "what have you done for me lately" then Kobe Bryant isn't an all-star so far this season.

Just because someone was an all-star last year, it's a new season. Time to see who's bringing it so far. And yeah, it's only November, but it's still a discussion we can have.
 
#29
Let Kevin have a chance to lead his team and see what he does...He probably has the best shot selection out of everyone that is ahead of him in the league and he never forces the issue. He always finds the open person and knows how to get to the line with the best of them...I really feel that his college days is coming back which is a good thing for all kings fans :) ...
 
#30
Kevin does not deserve to be up there. The Kings do not play the "Kevin Martin offense" where we give him the ball and let him work. The Heat and the Spurs, however, do play the "Wade" and "Duncan" offense respectively where they let their superstars work and create for their teams.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Martin right now is somewhat of a "Mega Role Player," and that's fine for the team that we have right now.

Wait until he develops his one-on-one game, and then we'll talk about placing him on top of superstars. With all the God-given tools to do it, and with the way he's been improving over the last two years plus the fact that he's only 23, it'll be intriguing to see where Kevin Martin ends up in his prime.