All things Woods ...updated (merged)

[Bricklayer]

Good lord guys, that was 6 years ago at an entirely different level of basketball during a spotty college career that scared teams off because of his soft passionless play. If anything, his college career just about perfectly predicted what he's been in the NBA. Minimum contract guy who's bounced around.

 

[TheJoker]

Good lord guys, that was 6 years ago at an entirely different level of basketball during a spotty college career that scared teams off because of his soft passionless play. If anything, his college career just about perfectly predicted what he's been in the NBA. Minimum contract guy who's bounced around.

No Kidding. Brick are you waiting like others on the Wait & see approach on Wood's play next season or do you think he will be the same bum like he has been his whole career?

 

[HndsmCelt]

There is no wait and see on Woods. IT"S ALL been seen. He has played, he has been weighted and measured and found wanting. This is NOT a guy who will ever make any ripples much less waves in the NBA.

 

[SacTownKid]

Look at his last 8 games of last year. 3 double digit rebounding games (10,11,14), a 5 block game, and the most time he got in any game was 24 minutes. That was also the only month he got any consistent minutes.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/loren_woods/game_by_game_stats.html

 

[Starting Five]

I only hope that Musselman and Artest can light a fire under him. ANY minutes he gets can only be a good thing.

 

[Rome]

14 blocks in a game is very impressing. I'm looking forward to seeing how Woods plays under coach Muss. I hope playing for Sacramento will be a good change of scenario and will produce like ppl predicted.

 

[AriesMar27]

12pts 14rbs against the pacers in 24 minutes....

not bad, not bad at all...

 

[Rome]

12pts 14rbs against the pacers in 24 minutes....

not bad, not bad at all...

yepk, he's had couple of good games last season in the begining of the season and end of the season.

 

[6th]

yepk, he's had couple of good games last season in the begining of the season and end of the season.

So, if we use him for games 1, 2, 81 & 82.....we should be good to go.

 

[Rome]

So, if we use him for games 1, 2, 81 & 82.....we should be good to go.

Well I was looking forward to getting that same kind of production every game from Woods next season.

 

[ParniValjak]

Look at his last 8 games of last year. 3 double digit rebounding games (10,11,14), a 5 block game, and the most time he got in any game was 24 minutes. That was also the only month he got any consistent minutes.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/loren_woods/game_by_game_stats.html

And of those 5 games raptors won 1 and got blown out in 2. He is nothing more that a roster filler 12th/13th player.

I wish people would stop making him into something he is not. He has never been a major rotation player despite the fact that every team he has been on have been crying out for a center that could rebound and block shots. The only time he gets minutes is when his sides are savaged by injuries or when the game is a blow out.

Sure, nice signing as a 12th/13th sort of player but he has shown nothing to date that suggests things will change. Never before has he had an all-star center in front of him in the rotation. Anyone expecting Woods to suddenly turn into this valuable reserve is kidding themselves. He will not play any more than Jamal Simpson did last season.

The fact that some people have mentioned him in the same sentence as Ben Wallace and Keon Clark is disrespectful to say the least. Did people get this excited about Jabari Smith?

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Did people get this excited about Jabari Smith?

Jabari has the potential to become a big-time player. He's quite athletic, is 6'11" or so, moves around the floor well, and displays a good mid-range jumpshot on both baselines. Best of all, he's left-handed. I think he, Loren Woods and many other *10th-11th men* will have a chance to succeed in this league.

P.S. I think that Jabari is actually better than Woods. So if Woods gets this much hype, I wonder how much hype Jabari will actually get?

 

[SacTownKid]

And of those 5 games raptors won 1 and got blown out in 2. He is nothing more that a roster filler 12th/13th player.

I wish people would stop making him into something he is not. He has never been a major rotation player despite the fact that every team he has been on have been crying out for a center that could rebound and block shots. The only time he gets minutes is when his sides are savaged by injuries or when the game is a blow out.

Sure, nice signing as a 12th/13th sort of player but he has shown nothing to date that suggests things will change. Never before has he had an all-star center in front of him in the rotation. Anyone expecting Woods to suddenly turn into this valuable reserve is kidding themselves. He will not play any more than Jamal Simpson did last season.

The fact that some people have mentioned him in the same sentence as Ben Wallace and Keon Clark is disrespectful to say the least. Did people get this excited about Jabari Smith?

Well all I have heard is he IS the new backup C. I don't think Jamal Sampson was ever in the same position on this team or held in that regard.

And the Raptors got blown out because they suck. I would be surprised if they sucked as a result of Loren Woods being on their team.

IMO I see the need for a guy to play a role. Somebody who will come in and at least show some resistance in the paint. Woods has been known to do this on occasion. 12 man? I don't know what his role will be or what kind of minutes he is expected to get. We will find out when the signing is official and Muss and Co. tell us what they have in mind. For all I know, Musselman may be thinking of Loren as our 6th man! Time will tell.

Loren is excited and I am excited for him. He is coming into a situation where he can become a valuable asset. He has the tools and with our backing hopefully he uses them to their full potential.

 

[Kings113]

Well all I have heard is he IS the new backup C. I don't think Jamal Sampson was ever in the same position on this team or held in that regard.

And the Raptors got blown out because they suck. I would be surprised if they sucked as a result of Loren Woods being on their team.

IMO I see the need for a guy to play a role. Somebody who will come in and at least show some resistance in the paint. Woods has been known to do this on occasion. 12 man? I don't know what his role will be or what kind of minutes he is expected to get. We will find out when the signing is official and Muss and Co. tell us what they have in mind. For all I know, Musselman may be thinking of Loren as our 6th man! Time will tell.

Loren is excited and I am excited for him. He is coming into a situation where he can become a valuable asset. He has the tools and with our backing hopefully he uses them to their full potential.

Gotta agree there.

 

[SacTownKid]

I hate the per48 stat but when you look at the numbers they are pretty impressive.

Per48 in blocks he is 16th in the league. Above guys like Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Yao Ming, Tyson Chandler, Elton Brand, etc.

Per48 in rebounds he is 9th in the league. Now I know that Jamal Sampson is #1 but Lorens numbers are a bit more legit considering he averaged more significant minutes.

Average his numbers out to about 24 minutes a game and they are quite similar to Tyson Chandler's.

 

[SDKing]

I hate the per48 stat but when you look at the numbers they are pretty impressive.

Per48 in blocks he is 16th in the league. Above guys like Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Yao Ming, Tyson Chandler, Elton Brand, etc.

Per48 in rebounds he is 9th in the league. Now I know that Jamal Sampson is #1 but Lorens numbers are a bit more legit considering he averaged more significant minutes.

Average his numbers out to about 24 minutes a game and they are quite similar to Tyson Chandler's.

Did Jamal Sampson even play 48 minutes last year It's a lot easier to grab rebounds in garbage time too when people arren't trying as hard.

 

[Arkitect]

I only hope that Musselman and Artest can light a fire under him. ANY minutes he gets can only be a good thing.

At some point they are going to run out of fuel to light fires under people. Bringing in one or two guys that may be better than they have shown is understandable. But as it stands, half the team is this way. We are at a precarious point where we might have one to many crappy players and the veterans wont have enough energy to try and push them to get better.

 

[BLH]

Petrie BETTER not be done yet...woods is an ok player but we need more than that

 

[chelle]

I think many people are working so hard to prove he can be good because so many are working hard to prove that he is going to be a bust. My opinion: wait and let him prove it one way or another in a King's uniform.

One of the things that I have liked about most Kings' fans is that we have generally given new players on our team the benefit of the doubt and actually let them play a game or two with us BEFORE we were ready to pronounce him worthless. Maybe that has seemed to changed because the past two off seasons have gotten longer than we had grown accustomed. Oh well, a few more weeks and these new guys can show us what they have.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Woods has allready proven everything he will ever have to "proove." We are NOT talking about a rookie, or a sophmore or even an underplayed 3rd year player here. This is a guy entering his 6th NBA season who has had plenty of opertunity to show what he can do ESPCIALLY given where he has been playing. Bottom line with a guy like this is you get what you pay for. You want a 3rd string center who can pick up a few min here and there and do the deal during garbage time this is your guy. But please don't try to convince me that he is a legitamate man in the 8 or even 10 man rotation who can paly big min in important games and contribute. As much as folks would like to think he is much discussed shtblocking rebounding big man that will patch some of the holes in the line up... he never has beena nd I don't see any reason to belive that things will be differnt just beceause he is in Sac.

Let us all pray that he is a camp invite and that the search for a legitamate big man continues.

 

[chelle]

I honestly have not watched him play enough one way or antoer to be encouraged or discouraged about his signing. Stat numbers, while fun to look at and know, really don't mean a whole lot to me because circumstances are different everywhere. I just prefer to wait and see how he performs for us before I pronouce him a waste of bench space. Who knows, he could suprise us all. Either way, I do hope they are continuing to seach for some help in the front court.

 

[uolj]

Has anybody actually said that this was a bad signing?

 

[TheJoker]

I did about 500 times, but people want the lets see and wait approach which won't matter because Loren Woods is what he REALLY is nothing but a player who gets bounced around and never delivers when he gets opportunitys.

 

[Kings113]

I did about 500 times, but people want the lets see and wait approach which won't matter because Loren Woods is what he REALLY is nothing but a player who gets bounced around and never delivers when he gets opportunitys.

Because it's a fair view. Based on him coming into a much different situation than the last two seasons in Toronto, with competitive figures like Artest/Musselman/Bibby around. Along with Arco crowd around everyone.

Predicting he'll suck with the Kings and saying that the "waiting and seeing" view is irrelveant is another view. But not that fair.

 

[uolj]

But not that fair.

It's not fair to expect him to do exactly what he's done his entire career? Of course it is.

 

[Bricklayer]

Because it's a fair view. Based on him coming into a much different situation than the last two seasons in Toronto, with competitive figures like Artest/Musselman/Bibby around. Along with Arco crowd around everyone.

Predicting he'll suck with the Kings and saying that the "waiting and seeing" view is irrelveant is another view. But not that fair.

No its pretty clearly a view based purely on hopes. Very little evidence to support it, and we certainly wouldn't be reacting this way if the Lakers has signed him.

Its still not necessarily a bad signing -- got him as cheap as you can get him, and he's the sort of guy who could easily populate the tail end of a good team's bench as the 3rd/emergency center. If that's where he ends up for us, then Loren Woods is a perfectly acceptable 3rd/emergency center with some low level skill at the sorts of things good teams normally value in a big. The problem/question really comes in when we reach the question of intent. Because if the intention is to rely on him for significant, regular rotation minutes, well, he's never shown that before, and our situation here is hardly as unique as people are suddenly making it out to be. I'm sure that KG, Flip Saunders, Dwayne Wade, Stan Van Gundy, Pat Riley, Chris Bosh etc. are terrible competitors and motivators, and our nutty leader and sub .500 coach are the greatest in the league, but really now -- depending on random and completely speculative turnarounds in rotation players is just asking for disaster. 28 yr old guys who've been playing competitive basketball for the last 15 years, and in the NBA the last five, normally just are what they are.

 

[NoBonus]

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Kings_Sign_Loren_Woods.html

KINGS SIGN LOREN WOODS TO A CONTRACT​

SACRAMENTO, CALIF. – The Sacramento Kings today signed center Loren Woods to a contract, it was announced by Kings’ President of Basketball Operations Geoff Petrie. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not disclosed.
“Signing Loren gives us some additional depth, length and athleticism at center,” explained Petrie. “He’s a younger, experienced player who will rebound the ball and block shots. Loren is still growing as a player. We look forward to having him on the team.”
At 7-2, 260 pounds, Woods is a five-year NBA veteran who spent the past two seasons playing for the Toronto Raptors. He averaged 2.3 points and 4.1 rebounds per game last season in 27 contests, while shooting .475 percent from the field and .429 percent from the free throw line. Woods’ best statistical season occurred during the 2004-05 campaign when he averaged 3.9 points (.433 FGs, .576 FTs) and 4.9 rebounds per game in 45 outings.
Woods, who was selected by the Minnesota Timberwolves in the second round (46th overall) of the 2001 NBA Draft, played his first two seasons for Minnesota before signing with the Miami Heat as a free agent prior to the 2003-04 season. He has amassed career averages of 2.6 points (.418 FGs, .642 FTs) and 3.3 rebounds per game in 208 contests. Woods recorded career highs in points (18) versus Orlando (11/01/02) and rebounds (14) on two separate occasions.
Averaging 11.1 points, 6.5 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 107 games over his four-year collegiate career, Woods played two seasons at Arizona (1999-2001) and two at Wake Forest (1996-98). He averaged 14.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 1.8 assists in 55 games for the Wildcats and was named Honorable Mention All-America by the Associated Press as a senior and junior. As a freshman at Wake Forest, Woods played alongside current NBA player Tim Duncan.

 

[VF21]

I did about 500 times, but people want the lets see and wait approach which won't matter because Loren Woods is what he REALLY is nothing but a player who gets bounced around and never delivers when he gets opportunitys.

And that's the problem right there, IMHO. We get it. You don't think Loren Woods will be any good, you think it's a horrible signing and you're not happy...

As I said, we get it.

 

[Kings113]

No its pretty clearly a view based purely on hopes. Very little evidence to support it, and we certainly wouldn't be reacting this way if the Lakers has signed him.



Its still not necessarily a bad signing -- got him as cheap as you can get him, and he's the sort of guy who could easily populate the tail end of a good team's bench as the 3rd/emergency center. If that's where he ends up for us, then Loren Woods is a perfectly acceptable 3rd/emergency center with some low level skill at the sorts of things good teams normally value in a big. The problem/question really comes in when we reach the question of intent. Because if the intention is to rely on him for significant, regular rotation minutes, well, he's never shown that before, and our situation here is hardly as unique as people are suddenly making it out to be. I'm sure that KG, Flip Saunders, Dwayne Wade, Stan Van Gundy, Pat Riley, Chris Bosh etc. are terrible competitors and motivators, and our nutty leader and sub .500 coach are the greatest in the league, but really now -- depending on random and completely speculative turnarounds in rotation players is just asking for disaster. 28 yr old guys who've been playing competitive basketball for the last 15 years, and in the NBA the last five, normally just are what they are.

I haven't really hoped for him to be anything for us, I'm simply keeping an open mind about him. I've said possibility-intented (could/can, etc.) things about him, indeed. An example of that being the stuff w/ Musselman/Artest/Bibby/Arco crowd.

If the Lakers signed him? Well Brick, he'd be a third center there. So, obviously that wouldn't be significant. If he was gonna be the back-up center? Then that's completely different.

 

[TheJoker]

I'm just interested to see if Woods will work on his offensive game this summer, hes always been a lackluster offensive player he sometimes shows inside the paint but that happens every 10 games.