Is Kenny Thomas untradable?
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I think that Kenny could in theory help a few teams out there. If there is a team willing to start him and play him 35 minutes a night he could put up 15 and 10 for them- he did it for us when he got the chance. That isn't too shabby. His lack of size could be lessened if he played alongside a larger shot blocking center (again, Houston sounds pretty good).
AND- if the team is willing to start him, the attitude becomes less of a problem. Suddenly, you have a starting power forward (albeit undersized) who is putting up decent numbers. If he isn't grouchy and he is contributing, his contract becomes somewhat easier to swallow.
Teams swap contracts that are as bad as , if not worse than Kenny's all the time. Malcontents also seem to get traded all the time. The fact is, if you can put up numbers, there is always someone willing to take a chance on you. There are actually teams out there that Kenny can help and would not torpedo with his attitude. To them, his contract will not be as bad. We might not get much for him, but I could see a scenario where we get a backup PG and some cap filler to match contracts. I think Geoff will find a way to unload him before the start of the season.
At least I try and convince myself that all of this is true every night before I go to bed...
AND- if the team is willing to start him, the attitude becomes less of a problem. Suddenly, you have a starting power forward (albeit undersized) who is putting up decent numbers. If he isn't grouchy and he is contributing, his contract becomes somewhat easier to swallow.
Teams swap contracts that are as bad as , if not worse than Kenny's all the time. Malcontents also seem to get traded all the time. The fact is, if you can put up numbers, there is always someone willing to take a chance on you. There are actually teams out there that Kenny can help and would not torpedo with his attitude. To them, his contract will not be as bad. We might not get much for him, but I could see a scenario where we get a backup PG and some cap filler to match contracts. I think Geoff will find a way to unload him before the start of the season.
At least I try and convince myself that all of this is true every night before I go to bed...
VF21- so would I! In fact, I have him in the Fantasy Sim league and could let him go to you for the low low price of those garlic fries and beer 
No, about this granddaughter of your's. You might need to throw her in the deal as well- if she can bang down low, she might be able to replace the Candy Man and Potapenko
That said- it might be that the best move Geoff makes this offseason is to unload KT, even if the guy we get back is nothing special.
No, about this granddaughter of your's. You might need to throw her in the deal as well- if she can bang down low, she might be able to replace the Candy Man and Potapenko
That said- it might be that the best move Geoff makes this offseason is to unload KT, even if the guy we get back is nothing special.
KT definitely stinks. We can all agree on that.... He just "doesn't get it", in terms of putting winning ahead of his personal agenda. And as far as his playoff performance, can anyone say total non-factor?
But let's not forget with the acquisition of Ron Artest...our playsets are more effective at taking the ball out of his hands....which is where it should be...out of his hands.
Now we just ask him to finish down low...take the ball up strong....which he is pretty good at doing....drawing contact and finishing ....clear the boards...
No more KT on the wing looking to create....YIKES!!!
KT initiating the offense would be somewhere between the 8th and 9th option on Mussellmans play chart after Mike Bibby shoots a rolling fade hook shot from the corner.
Everyone knows KT as a pouting turnover machine with an erratic jumper...but with Mussellmans anticipated playsets, Ron Artest controlling the offense along with Bibby, KT just needs to hang out around the hoop and do his thing....however underwhelming that thing may be.
If he gives us 10 points and 7 boards, and a disappearing act in the playoffs, that won't justify his 7 million dollar salary....but it is much less of poison pill to swallow than paying C-Webb 21 million dollars to watch him hobble, monopolize, shoot unconsciously, whine to the refs, and lead a team into the lottery....oh yeah, a force the exodus of your franchise player.
How quickly we forget the dire situation we could be in?!
C-Webb is owed 42 million over the next 2 years, and to extricate ourselves from that obligation, Kenny Thomas is what we are stuck with, for now, barring a little Petrie hocus-pocus trickery.
Think of it this way, and KT is a mere underachieving nuisance, and not a guy who will hold your franchise hostage for the next two seasons.
But let's not forget with the acquisition of Ron Artest...our playsets are more effective at taking the ball out of his hands....which is where it should be...out of his hands.
Now we just ask him to finish down low...take the ball up strong....which he is pretty good at doing....drawing contact and finishing ....clear the boards...
No more KT on the wing looking to create....YIKES!!!
KT initiating the offense would be somewhere between the 8th and 9th option on Mussellmans play chart after Mike Bibby shoots a rolling fade hook shot from the corner.
Everyone knows KT as a pouting turnover machine with an erratic jumper...but with Mussellmans anticipated playsets, Ron Artest controlling the offense along with Bibby, KT just needs to hang out around the hoop and do his thing....however underwhelming that thing may be.
If he gives us 10 points and 7 boards, and a disappearing act in the playoffs, that won't justify his 7 million dollar salary....but it is much less of poison pill to swallow than paying C-Webb 21 million dollars to watch him hobble, monopolize, shoot unconsciously, whine to the refs, and lead a team into the lottery....oh yeah, a force the exodus of your franchise player.
How quickly we forget the dire situation we could be in?!
C-Webb is owed 42 million over the next 2 years, and to extricate ourselves from that obligation, Kenny Thomas is what we are stuck with, for now, barring a little Petrie hocus-pocus trickery.
Think of it this way, and KT is a mere underachieving nuisance, and not a guy who will hold your franchise hostage for the next two seasons.
Yes, that was a pretty dire 34-20 record we had when Webb got traded. Life sucked. Right back into the lottery.
Luckily we took decisive action to stop those 5 straight 50 win seasons and 7 straight playoff appearances before things really got out of control. And for our efforts we now Have Kenny Williampenko to put up half the numbers at the exact same salary while taking up 1/4 of our roster. Good deal. Great even.
Luckily we took decisive action to stop those 5 straight 50 win seasons and 7 straight playoff appearances before things really got out of control.
And for our efforts we now Have Kenny Williampenko to put up half the numbers at the exact same salary while taking up 1/4 of our roster. Good deal. Great even.I'd be absolutely shocked if we have SAR/Songaila/Brad/back-up C or Potapenko...
As our new front-court. If Songaila's coming here (which has died down lately), it's as a third man or a lite-replacement for Brad. Anything else is just ridiculous, and does not fit.
Wiz/Bulls/Heat/Cavs are all interested in him, not sure if we still are.
As our new front-court. If Songaila's coming here (which has died down lately), it's as a third man or a lite-replacement for Brad. Anything else is just ridiculous, and does not fit.
Wiz/Bulls/Heat/Cavs are all interested in him, not sure if we still are.
Yes, that was a pretty dire 34-20 record we had when Webb got traded. Life sucked. Right back into the lottery.
Luckily we took decisive action to stop those 5 straight 50 win seasons and 7 straight playoff appearances before things really got out of control. And for our efforts we now Have Kenny Williampenko to put up half the numbers at the exact same salary while taking up 1/4 of our roster. Good deal. Great even.
Luckily we took decisive action to stop those 5 straight 50 win seasons and 7 straight playoff appearances before things really got out of control.
And for our efforts we now Have Kenny Williampenko to put up half the numbers at the exact same salary while taking up 1/4 of our roster. Good deal. Great even.
Don't forget that Webber and Allen Iverson somehow managed to miss the playoffs in a conference where they could have lost more games than they won and STILL made it.
The point is, NewMonkey, that the Maloofs panicked and made a trade out of fear of what MIGHT happen. And, unfortunately for them, it DIDN'T happen.
That's what some of us objected to at the time and, as more time passes, it appears we were right. Webber was still able to put up close to his career averages, meaning he would have been a big help had, as I said earlier, the trades made AFTER his still occurred.
And comparing the Sixers performances is totally irrelevant to the scenario, IMHO. Had the Webber trade not happened, the Sixers wouldn't have even been in the hunt for the playoffs IMHO, so the fact they still didn't make it can't really be put at Webber's feet.
P.S. And I will still never be completely convinced the Webber trade wasn't because of a certain prima dona SF as much as anything else.
That's what some of us objected to at the time and, as more time passes, it appears we were right. Webber was still able to put up close to his career averages, meaning he would have been a big help had, as I said earlier, the trades made AFTER his still occurred.
And comparing the Sixers performances is totally irrelevant to the scenario, IMHO. Had the Webber trade not happened, the Sixers wouldn't have even been in the hunt for the playoffs IMHO, so the fact they still didn't make it can't really be put at Webber's feet.
P.S. And I will still never be completely convinced the Webber trade wasn't because of a certain prima dona SF as much as anything else.
It wasn't just a bet against Webber having a career ending injury, it was about not paying someone making $20 million on your roster who was not justifying that amount of money with his level of pay. Philadelphia is now paralyzed because of the amount of money they're paying Webber and AI, and their team is not any better with Webber than it was with KT and Skinner. Webber is eminently untradeable. The Kings got out while they could and moved on. Now the Kings have $10 million in expiring contracts and one bad apple and things are getting better, while the Sixers are completely screwed for the next several years.
On topic, Kenny Thomas is tradeable, it just depends on what you're going to get in return. Just because he's not a great fit doesn't mean the Kings should trade him for two cents on the dollar.
On topic, Kenny Thomas is tradeable, it just depends on what you're going to get in return. Just because he's not a great fit doesn't mean the Kings should trade him for two cents on the dollar.
Not justifying his salary because of his level of play?
How dare Chris Webber, after coming back from what could have been a career-ending injury, not fully meet his career averages? Geez. The guy put up something close to 20/9/4 if I recall. (That's off the top of my head so it might be off by a little.)
If the Sixers aren't any better, the idea it's Webber's fault is, in a word, laughable.
How dare Chris Webber, after coming back from what could have been a career-ending injury, not fully meet his career averages? Geez. The guy put up something close to 20/9/4 if I recall. (That's off the top of my head so it might be off by a little.)
If the Sixers aren't any better, the idea it's Webber's fault is, in a word, laughable.
Can you blame them?????? Its all well and good to say it but I am pretty sure all of us here would have been nervous if we were the Maloofs if you had an aging star with questionable knee and you had to pay him over $60 million over the next 3 years. I am pretty sure if you or I or anyone else were in their place we would have done EXACTLY the same thing.
At the end of next season we would have more than half of that salary off the books. Yes KT is the bad apple in that deal but you had to get something dodgy back to get theat huge chain off your neck. I still think KT is tradeable. You won't get a huge deal in return for him but his salary can be dumped.
As much as I love Webb and what he did for this franchise, he is not half the player he was and certainly isn't worth $20 million per year.
At the end of next season we would have more than half of that salary off the books. Yes KT is the bad apple in that deal but you had to get something dodgy back to get theat huge chain off your neck. I still think KT is tradeable. You won't get a huge deal in return for him but his salary can be dumped.
As much as I love Webb and what he did for this franchise, he is not half the player he was and certainly isn't worth $20 million per year.
Er, the Sixers have not improved at all since Webber arrived, and he was their last major personnel change. They didn't get better with Webber... but that's not his fault? They were awful on defense even though they had Iguodala and Dalembert, not slouches on defense.
But not even taking defense into account (which, if you've noticed, is not Webber's forte since the injury), here's the production Philadelphia got out of the PF spot (82games.com):
11.0 reb, 3.3 asissts, 2.6 TOs, 0.8 blocks, 20.1 points, 16.2 PER
Here's what the Kings horrible mismatched spare parts platoon averaged:
11.5 reb, 3.4 assists, 2.7 TOs, 0.9 blocks, 17.9 points, 17.1 PER
Philadelphia is paying a whole heckuva lot for 2.2 points and terrible defense.
But not even taking defense into account (which, if you've noticed, is not Webber's forte since the injury), here's the production Philadelphia got out of the PF spot (82games.com):
11.0 reb, 3.3 asissts, 2.6 TOs, 0.8 blocks, 20.1 points, 16.2 PER
Here's what the Kings horrible mismatched spare parts platoon averaged:
11.5 reb, 3.4 assists, 2.7 TOs, 0.9 blocks, 17.9 points, 17.1 PER
Philadelphia is paying a whole heckuva lot for 2.2 points and terrible defense.
We could well have addressed that via our bench. You're grasping at straws, nbrans. It was that same front court that was getting the job done just before the day in Dallas...
I'm not going to beat the dead horse. You and I will NEVER agree on this.
Have a nice afternoon. I suppose you have the nice breeze coming in off the ocean?
I'm not going to beat the dead horse. You and I will NEVER agree on this.
Have a nice afternoon. I suppose you have the nice breeze coming in off the ocean?