Tyson Chandler...

[Kings113]

Man, if that's the kind of asking price (JR Smith/PJ Brown), we really REALLY need to get in on that action.

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Still don't see how this solves our 'scoring big' hole, though.

I agree this trade does nothing for us unless it is a three way with someone else? We would be giving up potential defense for proven getting old defense. Then a young respectable backup for potential with athleticism, which on most teams would be great, but I agree, would ride the bench for us 'cause Ben does what he can do only better minus the dunks.

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sonny wrote:What do we want/do with JR Smith


Eh, he's a taller guard who can score a little if Thabo doesn't adjust quickly.

I've followed this board for a while, but have just started posting. I am wondering. Has Zach Randolph ever been discussed? I know we are all about high character, but at some point I think we are going to have to take a calculated risk. Why not just flip Chandler to Portland if they were really are starting over?

I'm worried about offensive production from the front court if even we have a great defense. I'd rather have Murphy or Randolph than Brown, who I like quite a bit and gives us flexibility.

Does anyone else think this could be part of a three way trade? Cause if not, I don't really get it. J.R. Smith? He'll be what, our 6th guard? And he doesn't like to play defense or pass. He would be inactive all season. And P.J. Brown is nice in a Antonio Davis kinda way but who's gonna score on our front line? I don't get it. I guess we'll see though.

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For us, I think we could get Chandler for Brad and Hart, coming back would be Chandler/Duhon. Bulls seem postive to both given what's been talked about, both from the organization and media and fans. Skiles wanting Hart last summer because of his size and tenacity. Maybe thrown in Potapenko or Corliss.. be that Antonio Davis veteran guy.

Bibby/Duhon/Douby
Wells/Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia (?)/Wells
Etan Thomas (KT trade)/SAR/Justin Williams
Tyson Chandler/Elson or Voshkul (can rebound, shoot the j, play defense, Elson can block some shots. LLE/part of MLE)/Nicholson? SAR?

Or, if we can't get Duhon from them, just have Douby or someone else (FA) back up Bibby. Who would play less minutes because he actually has a back-up.

 

[DaMan]

For us, I think we could get Chandler for Brad and Hart, coming back would be Chandler/Duhon. Bulls seem postive to both given what's been talked about, both from the organization and media and fans. Skiles wanting Hart last summer because of his size and tenacity. Maybe thrown in Potapenko or Corliss.. be that Antonio Davis veteran guy.

Bibby/Duhon/Douby
Wells/Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia (?)/Wells
Etan Thomas (KT trade)/SAR/Justin Williams
Tyson Chandler/Elson or Voshkul (can rebound, shoot the j, play defense, Elson can block some shots. LLE/part of MLE)/Nicholson? SAR?

Or, if we can't get Duhon from them, just have Douby or someone else (FA) back up Bibby.

I really love the trade but there is a few things, Brads contract is to big and to long and might enable them to resgin their younger players. And also they want a big with a post up game which is not Brad. With that being said I think they would want Sar and pieces for Chandler. Sar fits what they want to a T.

 

[loopymitch]

I would love to see Tyson in Sac. What do the Bulls want?

 

[ParniValjak]

I would love to see Tyson in Sac. What do the Bulls want?

Apparently PJ Brown and JR Smith for Tyson Chandler and Malik Allen

 

[Bricklayer]

Apparently PJ Brown and JR Smith for Tyson Chandler and Malik Allen

Which makes an offer of Brad Miller & Cisco distinctly overpriced I think, although it would seem to be the sort of combo they are looking for -- true OG and vet big. They might have to send us some extra candy.

 

[Seldom Seen]

I'd be real careful for what you asked for with Tyson. I know he's young, tall and athetlic (not to mention the allure of an elite lottery pick), but if he's so great why is he apparently being shopped so hard?

I followed him a bit last year and while I know he was dealing with asthma issues, he was VERY inconsistent and his abiliity to score is much to be desired.

I would imagine his motor doesn't run as fast (or often) as Scott Skiles would like with his players, and I'm not sure that's the type of player we want.

Always very dangerous when a team brings in a new player with the attitude of "we can fix him".

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd be real careful for what you asked for with Tyson. I know he's young, tall and athetlic (not to mention the allure of an elite lottery pick), but if he's so great why is he apparently being shopped so hard?

I followed him a bit last year and while I know he was dealing with asthma issues, he was VERY inconsistent and his abiliity to score is much to be desired.

I would imagine his motor doesn't run as fast (or often) as Scott Skiles would like with his players, and I'm not sure that's the type of player we want.

Always very dangerous when a team brings in a new player with the attitude of "we can fix him".

We've fixed a lot of players over the years, including both Ron and the guy we are trying to bring back as a FA. I'm certainly not worried about Chandler, who comparatively is a sweetheart.

But more than that, given our needs, what's to fix? All the guy did was lead the league in rebs/per 48, while remaining a 7'1" athletic shotblocking presence. I do think there has to be soem realization that he is NOT a center, despite the height, and does better at PF. Other than that though, you would be very hard pressed to find a better player in the areas where we need to get better. Title teams ALWAYS have roleplayers. Not everybody has to score. Indeed they can't.

 

[Kings113]

Chandler is being shopped because of them likely getting a veteran C, and drafted Tyrus Thomas - a smaller version of Chandler.

I followed him a bit last year and while I know he was dealing with asthma issues, he was VERY inconsistent and his abiliity to score is much to be desired.

Yes, he had a couple illnesses, and was inconsistent from December to mid-January. Yet, you fail to mention his consistency and good form from mid-January all the way into the playoffs. Where vs. the Heat he didn't put up good numbers, but played good defense and brought intangibles and energy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3512 - mid-January on stuff, starts on 1/21. He actually didn't have a bad November at all, it was pretty good.

Offense? He wouldn't be out there for his offense, we'd be getting him for his athleticism, youth, defense.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Chandler would come to Sac for his defense and intensity he brings to the court. Offense with him is not a problem, we have other players for that.

 

[Farms Block]

Bibby/Duhon/Douby
Wells/Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia (?)/Wells
Etan Thomas (KT trade)/SAR/Justin Williams
Tyson Chandler/Elson or Voshkul (can rebound, shoot the j, play defense, Elson can block some shots. LLE/part of MLE)/Nicholson? SAR?

How come Shareef always gets put in the backup PF slot in a lot of scenarios? Before his jaw injury I think he was averaging something like 16 and 8 a night as a starter. It aint 20 and 10 but cmon, those numbers are too good to be coming off the bench for a guy like Etan Thomas, a guy who is a role player and a true "come off the bench" guy. Look at his career stats.

I think SAR was really starting to mesh well with the Kings in the 30 games he started and if the injury never happened, could he have done better?

 

[Bricklayer]

Bibby/Duhon/Douby
Wells/Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia (?)/Wells
Etan Thomas (KT trade)/SAR/Justin Williams
Tyson Chandler/Elson or Voshkul (can rebound, shoot the j, play defense, Elson can block some shots. LLE/part of MLE)/Nicholson? SAR?

How come Shareef always gets put in the backup PF slot in a lot of scenarios? Before his jaw injury I think he was averaging something like 16 and 8 a night as a starter. It aint 20 and 10 but cmon, those numbers are too good to be coming off the bench for a guy like Etan Thomas, a guy who is a role player and a true "come off the bench" guy. Look at his career stats.

I think SAR was really starting to mesh well with the Kings in the 30 games he started and if the injury never happened, could he have done better?

16.0ppg and 6.2reb.

And no, those are no longer high level starter numbers. KTs 10.7pts 9.4rebs as a starter is in the same range.

He did his best work off the bench last year. As a 6th man type I am intrigued -- his one dimensional game last season was tailor made for punch off the bench. Come in firing. That's the ONLY place I am intrigued with him unless he is paired with one hell of a manly man boardmashing monster up front to cover for his softness.

 

[Kings113]

Farms Block:

Because of his offensive punch off the bench. Also creates more room down in the post. Along with having the better defensive player start. I'd be fine and cool with having SAR start, but NEEDS a defensive center next to him... SAR's team attitude is good as well, and just wants to win. Surely it doesn't change after one season.

I believe he could of had a better season without the jaw injury. But for the team? Who knows.

Certainly can't have SAR/Brad as our starting FC. It's not solid defensively, little rebounding, not shotblocking, little athleticism.

 

[Rome]

I hated how Adelman would play SAR as a center off the bench.

 

[Kings113]

Especially when he had Skinner and Sampson over there... who are rebounders/blockers.

 

[ForlornKing]

I think Chicago would want Shareef instead of Brad.

Shareef has a smaller contract, and is an offensive-minded post up player.

That's what Chicago said they want.

 

[Rome]

I think Chicago would want Shareef instead of Brad.

Shareef has a smaller contract, and is an offensive-minded post up player.

That's what Chicago said they want.

actually if they get rid of Chandler i think they want a center. I just don't know if Reef would play center for them.

 

[DaMan]

Well, they need offense. Brad fits the bill. If they wanted a post-up-player, they should of drafted Aldridge and kept him - they didn't.

Ben Wallace isn't a post-up guy either. KG's not a post-up player too, aside from 1 or 2 left block moves (that's it), the rest of his offense is jumpers and hustle points (dunks, lobs, offensive put backs).

SAR and peices? Not sure they'd do that.

True Brad has offense but the bulls are missing a post player, they have been missing that the whole season. As we all know Brad is an perimeter player and the bulls have alot of those already. And also by an article posted by you about a month ago, they had a list of players that the bulls may look to trade for, they had sar as number 1 and brad as 6 if i remember correctly.

And i am confused about the bulls not drafting Aldrigde when they have a big need for a post up player. And with that need i am wondering why they are going after Big Ben. And also considering his age and they already have Chandler, who may not be as good but sill younger, makes me question that move.

None the less if the bulls do sign Ben they would have 2 players with big contracts that basicly do the same thing in Chandler and Ben. I would think that they would either deal Chandler in 2 deals. The first deal is where they go for broke and trade Chandler and some of their young players for KG, who in my opinion is a pretty good post player and does every thing well, thats what makes him so great. The second deal is where they trade Chandler for a proven post scocer and expiring or lesser contracts which ables them to resign there younger players. To me the kings have the pieces to get chandler, they have sar the proven post scorer and expiring to near expiring contracts in Williamson, hart, and Vita.

 

[DaMan]

actually if they get rid of Chandler i think they want a center. I just don't know if Reef would play center for them.

If they do sign ben i think he would be the center, he was the Starting center in Det. And i think sar would be the power forward were ben could cover sar rebounding problems.

 

[DaMan]

I think Chicago would want Shareef instead of Brad.

Shareef has a smaller contract, and is an offensive-minded post up player.

That's what Chicago said they want.

I totally agree.

 

[Rome]

There's no way to get Chandler if we trade SAR by him self. Maybe a re-signed bonzi + SAR but thats too much to give for just Chandler. I would totally do Brad straight up for Chandler if they Bulls are interested.

 

[SacTownKid]

Apparently BoJax is going to the Hornets as well! Wow they are putting together a heck of a team!

 

[DaMan]

There's no way to get Chandler if we trade SAR by him self. Maybe a re-signed bonzi + SAR but thats too much to give for just Chandler. I would totally do Brad straight up for Chandler if they Bulls are interested.

Yea there is no way we get the deal done with sar by him self. But i think if we give them sar and also add some expiring to near expiring contracts to sar, which makes them able to sign their young guys. I think that would get the deal done.

 

[BigSong]

Apparently BoJax is going to the Hornets as well! Wow they are putting together a heck of a team!

uh...kinda off topic.

 

[Kings113]

I wouldn't say the Hornets are gonna storm the league, but yes, the Hornets are looking to be on another level now.

But on the bulls wanting a post-up-guy...

They need offense. Brad fits the bill. If they wanted a post-up-player, they should of drafted Aldridge and kept him - they didn't.

Ben Wallace isn't a post-up guy either. KG's not a post-up player too, aside from 1 or 2 left block moves (that's it), the rest of his offense is jumpers and hustle points (dunks, lobs, offensive put backs).

SAR and peices? Not sure they'd do that.

 

[BigSong]

how bout chandler and nocioni for SAR POT HART + 1st rnd pick

 

[Kings113]

Why Nocioni? We are loaded at the wings. That'd only make sense if we gave up Garcia. How about Duhon, since were losing a PG.

 

[DaMan]

how bout chandler and nocioni for SAR POT HART + 1st rnd pick

I think its a good deal but i don't think they would add nocioni to it after they way he played in the playoffs. And like king113 said Ithink u should but Duhon in there instead of Nocioni and that would get the deal done.

 

[DaMan]

But on the bulls wanting a post-up-guy...

They need offense. Brad fits the bill. If they wanted a post-up-player, they should of drafted Aldridge and kept him - they didn't.

Like I said before i don't understand why they past him up I think they are really in love with Thomas.

 

[BigSong]

Why Nocioni? We are loaded at the wings. That'd only make sense if we gave up Garcia. How about Duhon, since were losing a PG.

why because id rather have him come off the bench than martin or garcia, atleast at the 3 spot. hes a great defender + rebounder, both what we need, and just tough.

 

[Kings113]

Then Garcia and/or Martin lose minutes. If we did get Nocioni, Garcia would be going to the Bulls.