[KINGS] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (Redux)

pdxKingsFan

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hrdboild said:
Personally, I think he got fired because he was unable to motivate the team to keep playing hard despite the bad officiating. For whatever reason his motivational techniques which had worked in the previous two seasons were now being tuned out. It also appears to me that the more immediate cause came after the Detroit game when, in the midst of a losing streak, rather than saying "this is on me" Coach Brown tried to call Fox out publicly in order to motivate him to take more ownership of the team and Fox did the exact opposite. This put the front office in a position where they felt they had to choose one or the other.

But if you want to trace this all back to bad officiating, I wouldn't argue with you. Winning breeds good chemistry and losing has the opposite effect. Expectations are high for this team because of the job Mike Brown did in that 2022-2023 season. As a coach in any major sports league you're expected to show improvement year to year so in a way he's also guilty of accelerating his own demise. I do think the team overall was showing signs of improvement this season with the notable exception of the end of game execution but whether the blame for that lies more on the players, the coach, or the officials is an eye of the beholder thing and clearly we all have our own biases about each.
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I think this team has been officiated atrociously under Brown. Especially a young exciting team like we saw Y1 in the Dubs series and when Domas was the victim of what surely could have been charged as a felony assault the refs chose to clamp down on ... the Kings.

I don't think this is Brown's fault in any way, but something should have been done to meet with the NBA and get officials to ref us fairly, especially in home games where you have to assume a baked in home court edge of sorts. Who knows what anyone did behind the scenes but we all saw Brown's laptop presser. That didn't do us any favors. If you go out of your way to humiliate game officials they aren't going to respond in kind.

Beyond that, really seems like the practice schedule didn't help. Seems like he may have run hard practices and added practices as punishment after a loss (really I question why they were running an AM practice before a flight when he got fired). And the favoring of slumping/ineffective players while benching young players, not playing Sasha, etc. We sort of look stupid for letting Neemi go though I'd argue he didn't have much role on what the team was trying to do, basically letting him walk for McGee and then having him contribute in the NBA Finals and win a ring with the Celtics certainly makes our FO look bad.

Detroit game was final straw and that really was on the players. Fox obviously on the penultimate play (and lazy heave on the final play) but the whole team quit and the fact nobody has done more than shrug since the firing while praising Doug has certainly been telling.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
I think this team has been officiated atrociously under Brown. Especially a young exciting team like we saw Y1 in the Dubs series and when Domas was the victim of what surely could have been charged as a felony assault the refs chose to clamp down on ... the Kings.

I don't think this is Brown's fault in any way, but something should have been done to meet with the NBA and get officials to ref us fairly, especially in home games where you have to assume a baked in home court edge of sorts. Who knows what anyone did behind the scenes but we all saw Brown's laptop presser. That didn't do us any favors. If you go out of your way to humiliate game officials they aren't going to respond in kind.

Beyond that, really seems like the practice schedule didn't help. Seems like he may have run hard practices and added practices as punishment after a loss (really I question why they were running an AM practice before a flight when he got fired). And the favoring of slumping/ineffective players while benching young players, not playing Sasha, etc. We sort of look stupid for letting Neemi go though I'd argue he didn't have much role on what the team was trying to do, basically letting him walk for McGee and then having him contribute in the NBA Finals and win a ring with the Celtics certainly makes our FO look bad.

Detroit game was final straw and that really was on the players. Fox obviously on the penultimate play (and lazy heave on the final play) but the whole team quit and the fact nobody has done more than shrug since the firing while praising Doug has certainly been telling.
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All that being said, at some point the players themselves have to take some of the blame for quitting or at least playing with diminished effort. I also don't think we've put any of this behind us. The next time this team goes through a losing streak and the same bad behavior rises to the surface, are we going to blame Doug Christie now for failing to thread the needle of friend and mentor that these players seem to want? The good vibes probably aren't going to last forever.

Or more to the point: Was it wrong of Mike Brown to demand excellence? I don't doubt it was easier to be a Sacramento King when expectations were low but where we've arrived now I think there's a growing cognitive dissonance between fan expectations (50+ wins, playoff success) and player expectations (a loose, fun atmosphere where coming to work doesn't feel like a drag) and post Mike Brown firing with no obvious scapegoats left to shoulder the blame, these two competing methodologies are heading for a collision course which might get pretty ugly.
 
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It's always been the players and it will always be the players. The only time it is not the players is when a coach messes up the lineup. Otherwise it's always the players 95%

Browns downfall was not playing the best players. He didn't play Ellis, he over played Huerter and he lost his job. Simple.

All this extra practice crap, and being to hard on players is for the birds. Your not supposed to like your coach your suppost to respect your coach and they all respected brown. Doesn't mean they liked him and doesn't mean they are sad to see him leave. But he never lost respect.

Christie is easy to like, easy to respect but raw as far as experience. Almost reminds me of last years Raiders under pierce. Right before we came crashing down to earth. Only this time I feel kings actually have talent and are not over achieving. They are actually good, where as the Raiders where clearly over achieving last season and suck this season.

This is my thoughts on situation
 
pdxKingsFan

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hrdboild said:
All that being said, at some point the players themselves have to take some of the blame for quitting or at least playing with diminished effort. I also don't think we've put any of this behind us. The next time this team goes through a losing streak and the same bad behavior rises to the surface, are we going to blame Doug Christie now for failing to thread the needle of friend and mentor that these players seem to want? The good vibes probably aren't going to last forever.

Or more to the point: Was it wrong of Mike Brown to demand excellence? I don't doubt it was easier to be a Sacramento King when expectations were low but where we've arrived now I think there's a growing cognitive dissonance between fan expectations (50+ wins, playoff success) and player expectations (a loose, fun atmosphere where coming to work doesn't feel like a drag) and post Mike Brown firing with no obvious scapegoats left to shoulder the blame, these two competing methodologies are heading for a collision course which might get pretty ugly.
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I don't think it was wrong to demand excellence but the odd rotations and freezing players the team was otherwise invested in out of them is all Brown.

Of course the danger in firing a coach is sending the signal that "ok players, you win" on the flip side it sure seemed Brown was tinkering too much with what worked rather than trying to patch what didn't.

I like Coach Brown but WTH was he doing the last year or so, it was clearly ineffective and delivering diminishing returns.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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Counterfactual time!

In the alternate timeline where the Kings draft Alperen Şengün instead of Davion Mitchell, and they decide not to trade for Domantas Sabonis because "they have Domantas Sabonis At Home™," do the Fox/Haliburton/Şengün Kings look better or worse than the Kings that currently exist on the Sacred Timeline?
 
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ESPN 1320 the last two days have talked about how Fox doesn’t look healthy since coming back which I also believe. Hopefully the week off for the all star game gets him close to 100% cause we need a healthy Fox to go far in the playoffs, he has to be our best player
 
coolhandluke

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Monte press conference ended just now.

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- Says Rich Paul was talking about Fox even before the start of season. Once it became obvious that he is not re-signing no matter who we were adding, they had to move Fox.
- Mike Brown losing streak at home led to his firing especially the way they lost. Monte says it was his call to fire MB.
- He didn't have convincing answers for not adding players with length and athleticism.
 
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coolhandluke said:
Monte press conference ended just now.

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- Says Rich Paul was talking about Fox even before the start of season. Once it became obvious that he is not re-signing no matter who we were adding, they had to move Fox.
- Mike Brown losing streak at home led to his firing especially the way they lost. Monte says it was his call to fire MB.
- He didn't have convincing answers for not adding players with length and athleticism.
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Looked very uncomfortable... Some pretty short answers in there
 
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coolhandluke said:
Monte press conference ended just now.

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- Says Rich Paul was talking about Fox even before the start of season. Once it became obvious that he is not re-signing no matter who we were adding, they had to move Fox.
- Mike Brown losing streak at home led to his firing especially the way they lost. Monte says it was his call to fire MB.
- He didn't have convincing answers for not adding players with length and athleticism.
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The first point is interesting. Fox was upset at the end of last season. Did we not get a gauge of how he felt then? Did we know Fox most likely wouldn't resign when we brought in DeRozan? If Rich Paul was talking about Fox before the start of the season I have a hard time believing they didn't inform the Kings earlier that Fox wanted a trade. I'm not sure if it would've made much difference in the long run, but I do think Monte knew Fox wanted a trade before this season started and I do think he knew bringing in DeRozan wouldn't change his mind. At the very least we might've been able to work out a slightly better 3 team deal if we had started this summer. Once Fox had quit on the team a few weeks ago it just turned into a rush to get something done.
 
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coolhandluke said:
Monte press conference ended just now.

Link

- Says Rich Paul was talking about Fox even before the start of season. Once it became obvious that he is not re-signing no matter who we were adding, they had to move Fox.
- Mike Brown losing streak at home led to his firing especially the way they lost. Monte says it was his call to fire MB.
- He didn't have convincing answers for not adding players with length and athleticism.
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That was effing horrific. My god.
 
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