A year wasted thanks to Monte.

I absolutely love this thread. It is a flavor of sports commentary that I like to call the You've Forgotten How Bad it Can Really Get™. Fans have such alarmingly short memories. Vlade Divac. Pete D'Allesandro. Jerry Reynolds. Bill Russell. There are some stark differences between the names listed here and Monte McNair, who is a competent executive and strong talent evaluator. Get over yourselves.
 
I absolutely love this thread. It is a flavor of sports commentary that I like to call the You've Forgotten How Bad it Can Really Get™. Fans have such alarmingly short memories. Vlade Divac. Pete D'Allesandro. Jerry Reynolds. Bill Russell. There are some stark differences between the names listed here and Monte McNair, who is a competent executive and strong talent evaluator. Get over yourselves.
You're just wrong.
 
I will eat crow, shout out to the Sac media, they did a good job asking the right/tough questions, specifically the Fox and Brown stuff. Monte felt very uncomfortable there.
Honestly, I felt uncomfortable watching it. Part of his job as a gm is being one of the key external faces for the org. Obviously, Vivek is well trained in that regard. He needs to assign his own PR people to him and give him some serious help communicating. The dude had trouble articulating coherent answers.
 
so you should have made the trade around the draft then.
Yeah, it's not like all this sports agent crap and wanting to leave to SA should have been a last minute surprise, leaving him with an excuse for being caught flat-footed. Until I hear of a date for a particular meeting with Fox and his agents giving McNair their demands, I'll continue to believe this goes back to the middle of last season, at least.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
I find it interesting that McNair knew of Fox's interest in leaving before this season. Just how many months before this season? Seems like a long time to prepare.
Fox was interested in leaving but he was also interested in getting the super max. When it became apparent that he didn’t have the best chance at getting that (somewhere around the middle of Mike Brown’s losing streak) he became very interested in leaving.
 
Fox was interested in leaving but he was also interested in getting the super max. When it became apparent that he didn’t have the best chance at getting that (somewhere around the middle of Mike Brown’s losing streak) he became very interested in leaving.
Ya, this 100%

He wanted to win, but he wanted money more. I don't blame him. We all would be in that position. I just hate that this is the way sports are now. Fox used the leverage he had to get where he wanted to be...for more money. It also happens to line up with his wife's home town area.
 
Fox was interested in leaving but he was also interested in getting the super max. When it became apparent that he didn’t have the best chance at getting that (somewhere around the middle of Mike Brown’s losing streak) he became very interested in leaving.
And taking your thought process one step further, McNair should have known that if the super max wasn't probable then goodbye Fox. Seems like a long time to prepare for such an eventuality. It's not like you're dealing with a legit superstar where you could count on the super max.
 

Tetsujin

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And taking your thought process one step further, McNair should have known that if the super max wasn't probable then goodbye Fox. Seems like a long time to prepare for such an eventuality. It's not like you're dealing with a legit superstar where you could count on the super max.
Considering Fox’s start to the year (60 point game followed by another 40 point monster/player of the week), I feel like Monte had reason to be optimistic about Fox potentially getting that super max and signing an extension.
 
I got the sense that they were prepared, but not for it to go public. He made some comment that indicated he was annoyed how the process played out in public.

And that goes back to how I feel about Fox moving forward. Paul George showed it was possible to go to your team and get moved to your desired destination quickly and quietly in a way that works out for everyone. Sure, part of the difference is that Monte is not Sam Presti, but unless there’s some indication that the Kings were leaking, the way Fox and his representatives handled his exit will unfortunately tarnish his legacy as a King.
 

Tetsujin

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I got the sense that they were prepared, but not for it to go public. He made some comment that indicated he was annoyed how the process played out in public.

And that goes back to how I feel about Fox moving forward. Paul George showed it was possible to go to your team and get moved to your desired destination quickly and quietly in a way that works out for everyone. Sure, part of the difference is that Monte is not Sam Presti, but unless there’s some indication that the Kings were leaking, the way Fox and his representatives handled his exit will unfortunately tarnish his legacy as a King.
Yeah. It feels pretty clear from that presser that Monte and co were looking at Fox deals for a while then had someone in Fox’s camp leak that there were offers *coughReceecough* and immediately blow up his market (the Luka trade also didn’t help)
 
Considering Fox’s start to the year (60 point game followed by another 40 point monster/player of the week), I feel like Monte had reason to be optimistic about Fox potentially getting that super max and signing an extension.
Then he's truly an idiot. A scoring outburst here or there is inconsequential in an 82 game season and he should absolutely know that.
 
Fox was interested in leaving but he was also interested in getting the super max. When it became apparent that he didn’t have the best chance at getting that (somewhere around the middle of Mike Brown’s losing streak) he became very interested in leaving.
Gee, and I wonder if once he signed that deal he'd have asked for a trade in short order...hmmm... I wonder.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
My point is we are watching players that could help this team be moved and no deals are getting done for the Kings.
Most trade deadline deals don’t happen up until deadline day. Also not sure which player you’re upset the Kings didn’t go grab. Kuzma? Expensive and brittle Khris Middleton? Caleb Martin (in a trade that made the team trading for him actively worse)?
 
Most trade deadline deals don’t happen up until deadline day. Also not sure which player you’re upset the Kings didn’t go grab. Kuzma? Expensive and brittle Khris Middleton? Caleb Martin (in a trade that made the team trading for him actively worse)?
I think once the bigger dominos fall (Butler, Durant, Ingram) we’ll see an influx of deals.
 
My point is we are watching players that could help this team be moved and no deals are getting done for the Kings.
Yeah, but even moreso than before, players and agents are calling their own shots. Look, when someone like Trayce Jackson-Davis' agent can call his own shot in the 2nd round things are legit off. My goodness look at Bronny. We don't know all else that's in play every single time.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Yeah. It feels pretty clear from that presser that Monte and co were looking at Fox deals for a while then had someone in Fox’s camp leak that there were offers *coughReceecough* and immediately blow up his market (the Luka trade also didn’t help)
It was 100% her we can agree on this now? I don't even think this is the Klutch playbook because I am sure AD isn't 100% happy about how the NOP situation damaged his image around the league outside of the Lakers fanbase. Probably double now that he's banished to Dallas.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
It was 100% her we can agree on this now? I don't even think this is the Klutch playbook because I am sure AD isn't 100% happy about how the NOP situation damaged his image around the league outside of the Lakers fanbase. Probably double now that he's banished to Dallas.
In hindsight I wonder if all the trades that “Monte told the players were done deals” were actually all deals that Monte brought to Fox’s team with the caveat that he’d only pull the trigger if Fox signed an extension only for them all to blow up because Fox didn’t do so and said deals wound up continually passed around to the usual media suspects.