Domas SNUBBED

[Turgenev]

Also, agreeing with everyone that the All Star game is dumb.

In Australian rugby league, the equivalent is the state of origin, which is a 3 game series where players represent the state they grew up in, rather than where they are contracted to play. The games are extremely intense and physical.

It's a bit easier for rugby league, which is mostly only played in 2 Australian states, than for basketball in the US. But I imagine if players were representing where they grew up, there might be a bit more pride involved.

 

[NewArena]

Last year when Domas missed out Fox commented that missing the game cost him 1.3 million (if we need more evidence re Fox's concern re money).

This year Hollinger has pointed out that the 1.3 million bonus Sabonis won't get gives us more flexibility when trying to move Fox.

For Fox to comment on that … yea, that kinda bothers me. Oh well

 

[hrdboild]

For Fox to comment on that … yea, that kinda bothers me. Oh well

Fox lamenting that his teammate and friend should have been an All-Star last year and that because he was snubbed he (meaning Sabonis) did not get an extra $1.3 million dollar incentive that was in his contract bothers you? Why?

Here's the quote:

“(Sabonis is) a guy who’s losing out on money who should one-thousand percent be there”

https://sactownsports.com/sabonis-fox-react-to-zero-sacramento-kings-being-named-all-stars/#:~:text=Last season, due to making,assists on 46.1/41.2/90.8

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

You've been around Kings long enough. Disrespect is expected.

You're right. It's very believable.

The sheer audacity still does catch me off guard sometimes.

Someone in the media better eat them alive for this. Chuck and Shaq we need you.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Now Sabonis will want out.

Not even close. If anything it will motivate him more. You see, Domas actually has character. Something we cannot say for Snake.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Fox lamenting that his teammate and friend should have been an All-Star last year and that because he was snubbed he (meaning Sabonis) did not get an extra $1.3 million dollar incentive that was in his contract bothers you? Why?

Here's the quote:


https://sactownsports.com/sabonis-fox-react-to-zero-sacramento-kings-being-named-all-stars/#:~:text=Last season, due to making,assists on 46.1/41.2/90.8

What an insanely small way to think. At Sabonis' level, you will finish your career with $150M in the bank. Bringing up the money as the issue reveals Fox's extremely petty mindset. This is about pride and legacy, not the extra $1.5M. Snake was never a leader.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Let me see....the second-leading 3-point percentage shooter in the NBA is a center, who also happens to lead in rebounding, has more double-doubles than anyone else, and is not considered an All-Star. They should kick Wilt Chamberlain from the Hall of Fame.

Not just leading in rebounding, he's completely dominating the entire league on the boards. He's what, a good .8 above second place, and another .8 above the next guy. He's over 1.5 boards ahead of the entire league except for KAT. And the fact that he added a 3 point shot in one offseason and becomes one of the best in the league. Sengun lol... my goodness.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Absolutely outrageous

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

conspiracy theory this is the coaches "sticking up" for Brown's firing and punishing Domas for it

This makes the most sense to me. It's widely known Domas and Brown butted heads. I am disgusted by every head coach in the NBA except Doug Christie.

 

[bball_nomad]

This makes the most sense to me. It's widely known Domas and Brown butted heads. I am disgusted by every head coach in the NBA except Doug Christie.

Funny thing. When NBA teams face each other they play against certain players thus prepare accordingly. There is not much you can do as a team to try to neutralize Jokic. Dude has it. The second big in the league that causes opposing head coaches biggest headache is Domas.
In the NBA of 1980's best teams had best players. But in every conference were teams that due different circumstances were not performing well, but had an exceptional guy on the squad. Those days for that player not to be selected to the ASG game was impossible. ASG was about best players coming together and representing the game of basketball. Sengun over Domas? Explain that to Lithuanian/European/International basketball fans
As some pointed out, Domas just dominates boards. What I like about him this season, he gets plenty of offensive rebounds. Plenty of extra points for the Kings.
I don't care about him being not selected. Thus one thing is a bit of a downer. if Domas were labeled as an "All-Star", the whistle would change a bit. A very tiny bit.
I remember after first Domas selection to the ASG game, after the break reffs were blowing the whistle differently. It lasted for about 2 weeks max. though

 

[hrdboild]

What an insanely small way to think. At Sabonis' level, you will finish your career with $150M in the bank. Bringing up the money as the issue reveals Fox's extremely petty mindset. This is about pride and legacy, not the extra $1.5M. Snake was never a leader.

A month ago you were all-in on Mike Brown being the problem. Now Fox is petty for wanting his teammate to get what he's earned? I think you just need there to be a villain.

 

[Padrino]

A month ago you were all-in on Mike Brown being the problem. Now Fox is petty for wanting his teammate to get what he's earned? I think you just need there to be a villain.

Yeah, there's not really any villains in this story. There's just interested parties who are looking out for their own, with everybody trying to save a little face in a process that's uncomfortable for all. Seeing the term "snake" thrown around here so frequently is disheartening. I understand Kings fans are upset right now, but it's a rather immature defense mechanism. And it's not as if there's an unavailable contemporary analog to illustrate what an actual disruptive party looks like in this kind of a situation! One need only glance Jimmy Butler's way to see the height of locker room damaging selfishness. The Fox drama is a low simmer by comparison. It's business as usual in the NBA.

 

[NewArena]

Fox lamenting that his teammate and friend should have been an All-Star last year and that because he was snubbed he (meaning Sabonis) did not get an extra $1.3 million dollar incentive that was in his contract bothers you? Why?

Here's the quote:


https://sactownsports.com/sabonis-fox-react-to-zero-sacramento-kings-being-named-all-stars/#:~:text=Last season, due to making,assists on 46.1/41.2/90.8

Ah, i see! That’s my bad.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

A month ago you were all-in on Mike Brown being the problem. Now Fox is petty for wanting his teammate to get what he's earned? I think you just need there to be a villain.

I hate to nit pick but I identified Mike Brown as the problem 10 months ago, the day after we lost the play-in in a now famous "FIRE MIKE BROWN" thread. Pretty clear I was right.

I now dislike Fox for a more nuanced reason about character. I lament what the game has become, largely driven by agents, reflected in the petty mindset of Fox with his (shocking to me) newly revealed me-first attitude. This one caught me off guard. But it's clear as day. Now, in retrospect, I can see that same petty mindset in his past comments. While it's true that Domas missed out on some money, and it is, on paper, commendable that Fox stood up for Domas, in the larger context of Fox's recent actions, that same action appears petty, because making the All Start team should primarily be about honor, not money, which is a language apparently unintelligible to Fox.

Fox could have this team and this town at his fingertips if he had honor, there is clear momentum and a real possibility of making a run in the next few years. If he was chasing honor, and wanted to be part of righting a great wrong and bringing glory to a much-deserving fan base, Sacramento is the choice. If he's interested in squeezing a few million more on top of a quarter billion in career earnings, he's welcome to leave.

I'll remind you that Domas took a small haircut on his extension because he wants to win and has loyalty. That's what honor looks like. In the long run, it's worth more.

 

[Padrino]

I hate to nit pick but I identified Mike Brown as the problem 10 months ago, the day after we lost the play-in in a now famous "FIRE MIKE BROWN" thread. Pretty clear I was right.

I now dislike Fox for a more nuanced reason about character. I lament what the game has become, largely driven by agents, reflected in the petty mindset of Fox with his (shocking to me) newly revealed me-first attitude. This one caught me off guard. But it's clear as day. Now, in retrospect, I can see that same petty mindset in his past comments. While it's true that Domas missed out on some money, and it is, on paper, commendable that Fox stood up for Domas, in the larger context of Fox's recent actions, that same action appears petty, because making the All Start team should primarily be about honor, not money, which is a language apparently unintelligible to Fox.

Fox could have this team and this town at his fingertips if he had honor, there is clear momentum and a real possibility of making a run in the next few years. If he was chasing honor, and wanted to be part of righting a great wrong and bringing glory to a much-deserving fan base, Sacramento is the choice. If he's interested in squeezing a few million more on top of a quarter billion in career earnings, he's welcome to leave.

I'll remind you that Domas took a small haircut on his extension because he wants to win and has loyalty. That's what honor looks like. In the long run, it's worth more.

Honor? Oh god, give me a break. The All-Star game is a popularity contest; it's marketing; it's politics. And it's marketing and politics that can earn or cost players money, as with other official "honors" bestowed upon players across the NBA. Some guys are awarded in this league based on nothing more than past performance. Some guys are awarded because of the market size in which they play. Some guys are awarded because of personality and marketability. And many others are snubbed because they're on the short ends of those particular sticks. Often it has nothing to do with who's most deserving. And plenty of media members who vote on these awards ballots have stated that they're pretty uncomfortable being part of an equation where their vote can ultimately cost players money.

More to the point, if money was all that mattered to Fox, he would be angling to remain in Sacramento! The Kings are in the position to offer him the most money! And if money was all that mattered to Fox, I imagine he would be playing much more selfishly to this point in the season, chasing individual glory so he can make an All-NBA team and earn the supermax. As of now, that's likely well out of reach.

As for "this town" being at "his fingertips", people make professional decisions all the time based on where they and their family want to be located. Fox is a family man. He has a wife and kids. They're all from Texas originally. I know fans like to pretend that earning NBA money means that NBA players should simply swallow any situation they find themselves in and should maintain no preferences of their own, but even DDR signed with the Kings in part because it brought him back to his native California. Home matters. It matters more to some than to others, but in this case, it's pretty clear that the Fox's are a TX family that would prefer to be in TX.

That said, Fox doesn't get to outright dictate where he goes. And the league no longer makes allowances for players to "request trades". So these conversations are meant to be handled between front offices and agents. It's business. It's handled this way all across the NBA. Does it feel good for the average fan when a star decides they want to move on? No, it doesn't. But too many Kings fans are leasing far too much space in their heads for all of the rumors and hearsay and clickbait in this era of outrage-driven "engagement". You don't know what you don't know. Fox himself has never said an unkind word about this city or its fans. This business is being handled by agents and front offices.

 

[megapoxy]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1885373382545268881

 

[megapoxy]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1885374071854293483

 

[hrdboild]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1885374071854293483

What more needs to be said?

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1885374071854293483

I'd be shocked, but then we watch how Domas is reffed game in and game out. League does not care about this guy one iota. The fact he still puts up monster games without the benefit of a star whistle is pretty incredible.

 

[hrdboild]

I hate to nit pick but I identified Mike Brown as the problem 10 months ago, the day after we lost the play-in in a now famous "FIRE MIKE BROWN" thread. Pretty clear I was right.

We all know. You were not subtle about it.

And it's no surprise that you're convinced you were right. But compare the quotes in that article I linked to from a year ago to the situation now and tell me this team is in a better place. What's the difference? Mike Brown is gone. Stability counts for something. And Mike Brown always went to bat for his players.

I now dislike Fox for a more nuanced reason about character. I lament what the game has become, largely driven by agents, reflected in the petty mindset of Fox with his (shocking to me) newly revealed me-first attitude. This one caught me off guard. But it's clear as day. Now, in retrospect, I can see that same petty mindset in his past comments. While it's true that Domas missed out on some money, and it is, on paper, commendable that Fox stood up for Domas, in the larger context of Fox's recent actions, that same action appears petty, because making the All Start team should primarily be about honor, not money, which is a language apparently unintelligible to Fox.

Fox could have this team and this town at his fingertips if he had honor, there is clear momentum and a real possibility of making a run in the next few years. If he was chasing honor, and wanted to be part of righting a great wrong and bringing glory to a much-deserving fan base, Sacramento is the choice. If he's interested in squeezing a few million more on top of a quarter billion in career earnings, he's welcome to leave.

Pettiness is a defining trait of many very successful professional athletes. You may find it distasteful now based on all sorts of (unproven) accusations but you didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was directed at our opponents. Some have reported that Fox demanded a trade but it's equally easy for me to believe Fox is just hesitant to re-up with an organization which continues to be highly dysfunctional. You don't want to hear this but the firing of Mike Brown is one more reminder that entangling his basketball future with this franchise might not be a good idea. And nobody has any concrete evidence of a trade demand that I know of. I see a whole lot of people believing what they want to believe.

 

[Srzly]

It feels like the NBA tries as hard as it can to prove it is a joke.

If Sabonis played for the Lakers would there be any doubt about him being an all-star? Nope.

The good news is that most of the players and fans know these things are dumb and rigged so I doubt Sabonis is overly surprised by it.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

It feels like the NBA tries as hard as it can to prove it is a joke.

If Sabonis played for the Lakers would there be any doubt about him being an all-star? Nope.

The good news is that most of the players and fans know these things are dumb and rigged so I doubt Sabonis is overly surprised by it.

Yeah, until the league (or any of the major professional sports leagues for that matter) sees the All-Star festivities as being something other than a glorified pick-up game in/on the neighborhood park/gym/ice rink, the method by which the rosters are constructed will always be a joke.

 

[Jdbraver137]

It feels like the NBA tries as hard as it can to prove it is a joke.

If Sabonis played for the Lakers would there be any doubt about him being an all-star? Nope.

The good news is that most of the players and fans know these things are dumb and rigged so I doubt Sabonis is overly surprised by it.

Except there contracts are tied to bonuses for ASG. It just another way the nba ensures large market are the only ones that can compete for a championship.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

We all know. You were not subtle about it.

And it's no surprise that you're convinced you were right. But compare the quotes in that article I linked to from a year ago to the situation now and tell me this team is in a better place. What's the difference? Mike Brown is gone. Stability counts for something. And Mike Brown always went to bat for his players.



Pettiness is a defining trait of many very successful professional athletes. You may find it distasteful now based on all sorts of (unproven) accusations but you didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was directed at our opponents. Some have reported that Fox demanded a trade but it's equally easy for me to believe Fox is just hesitant to re-up with an organization which continues to be highly dysfunctional. You don't want to hear this but the firing of Mike Brown is one more reminder that entangling his basketball future with this franchise might not be a good idea. And nobody has any concrete evidence of a trade demand that I know of. I see a whole lot of people believing what they want to believe.

If you're talking about the Jordan-esque "And I took that personally" pettiness, that is a wholly different thing than "I'm skating out of town because my wife likes San Antonio and my agent says I can get a few million more."

To your other comments, it's clear you are now part of the minority that is still opposed the the Brown firing. Whereas I was the lone voice in the wilderness (with a small number of others) when I first called for it. And I was deliberately not subtle, because I had conviction.

Let's not re-litigate that, would derail the thread, thanks.

 

[Remi]

I think, the best response would be if Kings would win next game - against OKC.

 

[dude12]

We all know. You were not subtle about it.

And it's no surprise that you're convinced you were right. But compare the quotes in that article I linked to from a year ago to the situation now and tell me this team is in a better place. What's the difference? Mike Brown is gone. Stability counts for something. And Mike Brown always went to bat for his players.



Pettiness is a defining trait of many very successful professional athletes. You may find it distasteful now based on all sorts of (unproven) accusations but you didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was directed at our opponents. Some have reported that Fox demanded a trade but it's equally easy for me to believe Fox is just hesitant to re-up with an organization which continues to be highly dysfunctional. You don't want to hear this but the firing of Mike Brown is one more reminder that entangling his basketball future with this franchise might not be a good idea. And nobody has any concrete evidence of a trade demand that I know of. I see a whole lot of people believing what they want to believe.

No matter what people on the forum think in regards to the Brown firing, and I’m firmly in the court that players quitting on him/or owner quitting is a player issue of character, the general View from the national talking heads and of course fellow coaches, is at a minimum eye brow raising. Really has nothing to do with Doug Christie. More so how it ended and how quick it ended this year for Brown. That, followed by this Fox thing is just continuing to paint the franchise in a bad light and really, it’s probably deserved.

Now I still want Fox and his family gone though. The franchise chose him over Haliburton, not funny how it couldn’t work with Haliburton and Fox in retrospect, gave him another top player in Domas, signed a Derozan, re-signed Monk who gave this franchise a discount. And Fox is unable to muster up enough cajones to make this work here…..because he’s just not that quality of star player. Good player but not good enough to put up with this kind of crap.

He probably needs to be dealt before the next home game as long as an acceptable deal is in place.

 

[TaxMan]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1885373382545268881

"empty stats"

For some reason I was listening to the KOC podcast this morning. While he did say Domas was a snub, generally agreed with some guy he had on from Houston about Sengun over Domas. It was a lot of "qualitative" analysis, clearly. Apparently Sengun is more impactful because he gets a lot of assists when he's double teamed on the block vs. Domas gets a fair amount of easy assists from the elbow. A lot of junk about how Sengun gets the edge as a better defender... as if he's really known as a great defender.

I actually like Sengun as a player so not trying to put him down, but if Domas is Joker-light, then Sengun is Joker-extra light (or domas light? Not sure...)

 

[hrdboild]

If you're talking about the Jordan-esque "And I took that personally" pettiness, that is a wholly different thing than "I'm skating out of town because my wife likes San Antonio and my agent says I can get a few million more."

To your other comments, it's clear you are now part of the minority that is still opposed the the Brown firing. Whereas I was the lone voice in the wilderness (with a small number of others) when I first called for it. And I was deliberately not subtle, because I had conviction.

Let's not re-litigate that, would derail the thread, thanks.

As long as we're showing receipts, my initial response to the Brown firing is that it was a half measure and needed to be followed up by trading both Fox and Monk. My preference was to see how far the Brown, Sabonis, Fox partnership could go with better role-players around them... Not even a star mind you, just more size, more wing defenders, and bench players who can make smarter decisions in their limited minutes. I felt this core group earned that level of trust over the past two seasons. And I watched patiently while you danced on Brown's grave and proclaimed that the future was going to be bright now that he's out of the way.

So no, I'm not really surprised that you've landed upon another overly simplistic view of a complicated situation and chosen a new enemy to saddle with all of the blame. I've been watching Fox for a long time too. I don't think he's all-in on winning, his behavior this season has already demonstrated that. But I also don't think that makes him a huge outlier among NBA players. He's extremely talented and also temperamental which made him and Mike Brown a good match. Mike Brown likes to push people to be their best. Christie is more of a self-motivated "they have to want it themselves" type of guy and that works better for some players but not all of them. I didn't particularly care that Fox wasn't all-in on winning because he was a part of the puzzle not the whole thing. The math on that has been irrevocably altered in the past month though.

And as I've said elsewhere, this doesn't need to be a messy divorce. The front office didn't like what they saw in November and December and chose to head in a different direction. I think it's obvious now if it wasn't then that this is a direction which will not include De'Aaron Fox. In addition to believing that the Brown firing was a mistake, I also believe the urgency in accelerating trade talks involving Fox came from our front office not from him, his wife, or his agent. Just trying to read the tea leaves, that's the most believable version of events that I can put together. When he chose not to sign the extension it may have been 75% about money and 25% about keeping his options open but the Brown firing changed things, the front office knew it, and here we are all arguing this in public like we actually know the details.

I know I'm not going to change your mind about any of this, which is fine. That's not my intention anyway. I just see things differently (like the gray stained court and lasagna) and want to put it out there that there are alternative ways to think about this situation which don't involve villainizing anyone and painting all of their actions past and present as part of some grand plan to screw us over.

Except the inexcusable Domas snubs. That is because Adam Silver hates us. He must be from Seattle.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

As long as we're showing receipts, my initial response to the Brown firing is that it was a half measure and needed to be followed up by trading both Fox and Monk. My preference was to see how far the Brown, Sabonis, Fox partnership could go with better role-players around them... Not even a star mind you, just more size, more wing defenders, and bench players who can make smarter decisions in their limited minutes. I felt this core group earned that level of trust over the past two seasons. And I watched patiently while you danced on Brown's grave and proclaimed that the future was going to be bright now that he's out of the way.

So no, I'm not really surprised that you've landed upon another overly simplistic view of a complicated situation and chosen a new enemy to saddle with all of the blame. I've been watching Fox for a long time too. I don't think he's all-in on winning, his behavior this season has already demonstrated that. But I also don't think that makes him a huge outlier among NBA players. He's extremely talented and also temperamental which made him and Mike Brown a good match. Mike Brown likes to push people to be their best. Christie is more of a self-motivated "they have to want it themselves" type of guy and that works better for some players but not all of them. I didn't particularly care that Fox wasn't all-in on winning because he was a part of the puzzle not the whole thing. The math on that has been irrevocably altered in the past month though.

And as I've said elsewhere, this doesn't need to be a messy divorce. The front office didn't like what they saw in November and December and chose to head in a different direction. I think it's obvious now if it wasn't then that this is a direction which will not include De'Aaron Fox. In addition to believing that the Brown firing was a mistake, I also believe the urgency in accelerating trade talks involving Fox came from our front office not from him, his wife, or his agent. Just trying to read the tea leaves, that's the most believable version of events that I can put together. When he chose not to sign the extension it may have been 75% about money and 25% about keeping his options open but the Brown firing changed things, the front office knew it, and here we are all arguing this in public like we actually know the details.

I know I'm not going to change your mind about any of this, which is fine. That's not my intention anyway. I just see things differently (like the gray stained court and lasagna) and want to put it out there that there are alternative ways to think about this situation which don't involve villainizing anyone and painting all of their actions past and present as part of some grand plan to screw us over.

Except the inexcusable Domas snubs. That is because Adam Silver hates us. He must be from Seattle.

THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS.
If I could like this comment for each day I've been alive, and continue to like it for each day I will remain alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[NewArena]

I think, the best response would be if Kings would win next game - against OKC.

I just don’t see how we beat that team unless they come with the same energy they had against teams like Boston. It’s just a bad matchup and SGA always ends up with 20 FTA smh