Amick: De’Aaron Fox requests trade

[SacTownKid]

It's not cutting your nose off to spite your face if there is legitimate competition for your asset. Even Siakam was already 30 when the Pacers acquired him, knowing they'd have to spend a bunch of money to re-sign a third-tier star without assurance that he was their "one-player-away" from reaching the Finals. Fox is just entering his prime, having turned 27 in December. There's a reason half the league has already called the Kings to inquire about his availability. 25 ppg scorers with a talent for bending defenses at the rim and a finishing ability like few others in the league is not something you sell for less than its value. You certainly don't take a crummy deal today that you can also get in the off-season when other interested franchises will come to the table knowing they can beat that crummy deal. Rental or not for some future trade partner, Fox is the kind of talent at this stage of his career that quite a few teams would surely think of as their "one-player-away". Kings fans need to shake off the hangover of Vlade "better deal yesterday" Divac. Monte absolutely should not be moving De'Aaron Fox for pennies on the dollar.

I was talking about Riley's punishment method where you get a player to loosen up by making his life miserable in the meantime. LIke they're doing with Butler. And the Suns are doing with Beal for that matter.

What's crummy though? Like I said, taking a decent deal should be the goal if there aren't any great deals. If a team is willing to gamble, great, but with half the league calling there's already a robust market it would seem.

 

[Hoovtrain]

No probably just some Huerter, Lyles maybe a pick combo.

Guessing that maybe Kings told folks internally and they asked Klutch/Fox if that would be enough for Fox to commit to an extension, they said no, and Kings backed out and so maybe Utah offered for Fox?

That's sheer speculation.

gonna be real pissed if we are backing out of deals because of him and klutch

 

[pdxKingsFan]

gonna be real pissed if we are backing out of deals because of him and klutch

The backing out part here would be we wouldn't send an unprotected 27 FRP out unless Fox commits to extend.

I agree with that decision if it happened. We wouldn't be chasing Collins if not to save Fox. Team just changed coaches and is chugging along nicely, get to the offseason and make a real deal. But Fox's will-he-or-won't-he contract situation is forcing us to pushing half our chips in on a pair of 7s.

 

[funkykingston]

I was talking about Riley's punishment method where you get a player to loosen up by making his life miserable in the meantime. LIke they're doing with Butler. And the Suns are doing with Beal for that matter.

Woah. Like the Heat are doing with Butler? I don't have any inside info, but given that Jimmy is the one with the track record of being a complete disruption when he wants out I find it hard to believe that the Heat are the ones that raised the temperature in the room. I think the Heat are just being forced to react.

Beal is a very different matter. Clearly having Durant/Booker/Beal on the court at the same time wasn't working. So something had to give. And I think the Suns are more committed to Booker & Durant, but Beal's no trade clause complicates things, in addition to his albatross of a contract and his drop in production.

I don't think either of those situations is anything like what is currently going on with Fox.

 

[SacTownKid]

gonna be real pissed if we are backing out of deals because of him and klutch

You'd be more pissed if they made panic deals and then watched Fox bail anyway. Getting ahead of this is waaaay better than being behind.

 

[sactowndog]

Right now this is my preference:

Trade Fox for 3 firsts and that swap back, Sochan and salary (trying to be conservative but wanting more.

I ride out the season with Monk and Ellis as starters and Carter getting big minutes. See what those guys do with a balanced offense/defense approach.

Sochan rebounds, defends, passes, plays gritty and is only 21. Nice wing flyer, if he shoots he is a super stud.

worse case scenerio we end in the top 12 and we have our pick this year. Now you have a ton of draft picks to swing a big trade in the offseason.

What I think will happen:

Lavine, 2 picks and the swap back. Maybe one young player and a couple seconds.

I would rather trade Ingram and a couple picks for Fox. Yes we might lose Ingram but he feels a need of a wing who can space the floor.

 

[Hoovtrain]

You'd be more pissed if they made panic deals and then watched Fox bail anyway. Getting ahead of this is waaaay better than being behind.

I’m pretty pissed about this situation regardless lol

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Then give us a fair deal otherwise go fu yourself and wait until 2026 and not get your extra dough

Why some of y’all think this is beyond me if fox and klutch want a deal to happen then it’s happening and he’s going where he wants this isn’t the first time this has happened. The players have all the leverage

 

[SacTownKid]

Woah. Like the Heat are doing with Butler? I don't have any inside info, but given that Jimmy is the one with the track record of being a complete disruption when he wants out I find it hard to believe that the Heat are the ones that raised the temperature in the room. I think the Heat are just being forced to react.

Beal is a very different matter. Clearly having Durant/Booker/Beal on the court at the same time wasn't working. So something had to give. And I think the Suns are more committed to Booker & Durant, but Beal's no trade clause complicates things, in addition to his albatross of a contract and his drop in production.

I don't think either of those situations is anything like what is currently going on with Fox.

Sure they are, and anyone who knows Pat Riley knows exactly how he's going to react. He's going to poke you around publicly and then bring matches and gas to the BBQ.

I didn't say this was going on with Fox, I'm saying that it's a method teams, as mentioned above sometimes go with. If you don't think that the Suns are passive aggressively trying to get Beal to eventually beg to waive that clause then I definitely disagree.

 

[sactowndog]

Ham saying we didn’t get Fox the help he needs, seriously?
Look at this team and it’s 10 fold what Demarcus had to work with. Fox has tools to work with. Maybe we have just really overvalued him?

we don’t and have not had the forwards we needed and Monte had plenty of opportunities to do so. Instead he repeatedly (3 times) drafted guys at Fox’s position.

if you think those facts had no impact …

 

[pdxKingsFan]

We may not get 8 picks for Fox but I am alarmed at the amount of people in other spaces that will take a single rookie deal, one horrible contract, and two picks for Fox. That's basically trading 2 dimes, a nickel and a penny for a dollar.

 

[captain bill]

This is truly ridiculous. LOL. Clearly that's what happened because we were watching it in real time. Then the REAL insiders quickly reported that the Kings weren't trading that pick. Like IMMEDIATELY. Man, all this Fox stuff has the "Ham and eggers" in the local media struggling with their position in the pecking order.

“Ham and eggs” is the perfect nickname for him with all the eggs (zeros) he drops

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Ham says it was a Collins deal that players were told was "done" that initiated all of this. I wonder if Utah offered for Fox?

If they went to fox with a you’re going to Utah to deal than blow the FO up right now

 

[Padrino]

I would rather trade Ingram and a couple picks for Fox. Yes we might lose Ingram but he feels a need of a wing who can space the floor.

Really? The upcoming unrestricted free agent who averages, like, 60 games a season because of injury, doesn't really space the floor all that well, and has underachieved more frequently than Fox ever has? You are that desperate for the Kings to acquire a wing that you ship the team's best asset out for a guy like that? I'll take the Pelicans picks, but Ingram is as depreciated an asset as you can find in the NBA. That's some awful armchair GM'ing.

 

[funkykingston]

I would rather trade Ingram and a couple picks for Fox. Yes we might lose Ingram but he feels a need of a wing who can space the floor.

Ingram isn't really a floor spacer. He shot 36% from three last season on decent volume, but really he's VERY similar to DeRozan on offense. He likes to get the ball, size up the floor and go to work in the midrange. The offense definitely doesn't need two of those players.

Less than 25% of Ingram's attempts came from long range last season. Here's his shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/brandon-ingram-shot-chart-2024

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If they went to fox with a you’re going to Utah to deal than blow the FO up right now

I think they asked Fox to commit to an extension if they moved their 27 FRP for Collins and he said no. So deal fell through and Utah probably said well how about Collins, Kessler, Sexton, Flip and a bunch of picks for Fox? Basically the reverse Ainge deal.

Something like that, the intention there would be that is your base offer and you tell Paul to go beat it elsewhere where Fox wants to go. And you can bet Klutch is doing that but they also went public so they could make our FO look bad and drive down the asking price.

My imagination of what could have happened here.

 

[SacTownKid]

We may not get 8 picks for Fox but I am alarmed at the amount of people in other spaces that will take a single rookie deal, one horrible contract, and two picks for Fox. That's basically trading 2 dimes, a nickel and a penny for a dollar.

If the Spurs came to the table with Keldon Johnson/filler/3-4 picks including the Hawks pick and maybe undoing the 2031 pick swap that would be great haul to move forward with. The Kings then have all the tools to sit and wait with a stack of goods to get in on when it's a buyers market.

 

[funkykingston]

If the Spurs came to the table with Keldon Johnson/filler/3-4 picks including the Hawks pick and maybe undoing the 2031 pick swap that would be great haul to move forward with. The Kings then have all the tools to sit and wait with a stack of goods to get in on when it's a buyers market.

I'd still ask for Castle, even if it's just to send him elsewhere in a separate deal.

The Spurs have picks, but no "win-now" players that I have any interest in.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If the Spurs came to the table with Keldon Johnson/filler/3-4 picks including the Hawks pick and maybe undoing the 2031 pick swap that would be great haul to move forward with. The Kings then have all the tools to sit and wait with a stack of goods to get in on when it's a buyers market.

I can live with that if best we can get but needs Sochan or Castle, I think all 3 gets you into salary match territory. There is almost no way Kings come out ahead in that deal but we do balance the roster quite a bit and we also stop the madness that Fox has sent us into. Which has been going on ever since Domas signed his extension (or maybe when Monk re-signed). I think Kings have reasonably been scared to push too many chips in if he won't extend. And every team that is angling for a 27 or 28 FRP from us wants it unprotected thinking Fox will leave and we will fall to pieces.

 

[Sam0ah]

I can live with that if best we can get but needs Sochan or Castle, I think all 3 gets you into salary match territory. There is almost no way Kings come out ahead in that deal but we do balance the roster quite a bit and we also stop the madness that Fox has sent us into. Which has been going on ever since Domas signed his extension (or maybe when Monk re-signed). I think Kings have reasonably been scared to push too many chips in if he won't extend. And every team that is angling for a 27 or 28 FRP from us wants it unprotected thinking Fox will leave and we will fall to pieces.

I wasn't to impressed with Castle in the preseason. I haven't watched him since, but He must of got a lot better. I really like the idea of Sochan and picks myself.

 

[gunks]

Sochan and unprotected 1st rounders wouldn't be the end of the world. Good place to start the bidding anyways!

 

[SacTownKid]

I'd still ask for Castle, even if it's just to send him elsewhere in a separate deal.

The Spurs have picks, but no "win-now" players that I have any interest in.

Yeah, you ask for the moon, and yeah, even some of their young talent is in a rough spot contractually. I like Vassell but I'm not sure about paying someone 25 million per on a long term deal right out of the gate like that. Keldon fills a position of need, probably improves statistically with more time, and has a very affordable and short deal. The Kings could then potentially set themselves up for a seamless re-tooling in a few years.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I wasn't to impressed with Castle in the preseason. I haven't watched him since, but He must of got a lot better. I really like the idea of Sochan and picks myself.

He's not. That's why it shouldn't be an issue to get him included.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1884675621868990485

Recee’s dad talking about beating the crap out of guys in parking lots. What the hell are we doing here?

 

[Tetsujin]

He's not. That's why it shouldn't be an issue to get him included.

Untouchable. Better than Fox already, I’ve been told.

 

[SacTownKid]

I can live with that if best we can get but needs Sochan or Castle, I think all 3 gets you into salary match territory. There is almost no way Kings come out ahead in that deal but we do balance the roster quite a bit and we also stop the madness that Fox has sent us into. Which has been going on ever since Domas signed his extension (or maybe when Monk re-signed). I think Kings have reasonably been scared to push too many chips in if he won't extend. And every team that is angling for a 27 or 28 FRP from us wants it unprotected thinking Fox will leave and we will fall to pieces.

If Sochan didn't leech value from the rest of the package sure, but if it came down to another pick vs. Sochan Monte might want to take the pick. If Sochan didn't have his contract up at the same time as Murray it would make things easier. Sochan could very easily be just as much a rental as Fox is for another team.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1884675621868990485

Recee’s dad talking about beating the crap out of guys in parking lots. What the hell are we doing here?

We have to get a good deal but please, let's just be done with this family.

 

[funkykingston]

Yeah, you ask for the moon, and yeah, even some of their young talent is in a rough spot contractually. I like Vassell but I'm not sure about paying someone 25 million per on a long term deal right out of the gate like that. Keldon fills a position of need, probably improves statistically with more time, and has a very affordable and short deal. The Kings could then potentially set themselves up for a seamless re-tooling in a few years.

They'll obviously need a DDR replacement in a couple seasons, but I'm assuming you're talking about re-tooling around Domas, Monk, and Murray and possibly Ellis and/or Carter. If so, I can squint and see the logic. But I don't see a full rebuild being something Vivek would accept, so the Kings are locked into trying to also win now.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1884675621868990485

Recee’s dad talking about beating the crap out of guys in parking lots. What the hell are we doing here?

Bagley's dad ain't got nothin' on this guy, lol.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If Sochan didn't leech value from the rest of the package sure, but if it came down to another pick vs. Sochan Monte might want to take the pick. If Sochan didn't have his contract up at the same time as Murray it would make things easier. Sochan could very easily be just as much a rental as Fox is for another team.

I think if you can trade this extra pick with Huerter and Lyles for a better than Sochan right now guy you do. I am not sure I wouldn't take Sochan today as defensive reinforcement up front over a pick 3-4 years from now though.