Amick: De’Aaron Fox requests trade
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I can't seem them doing both Ware and Herro in particular for this year's Fox where Herro has been a better player this year and Ware looks like poor man's Wemby at times. I wonder if the Heat can turn the Butler trade into a LaVine/something to replace Herro and get some assets if they would be more inclined.
Is asking for a bunch of picks the best strategy right now? We're not really in a great position to rebuild with Sabonis making max money and turning 29 soon and 35 year old DeMar DeRozan inheriting the mantle of leading scorer in Fox's absence. Maybe it would be better to move forward right away by adding players around Monk, Ellis, Carter, DeRozan, Murray, and Sabonis who might help us to maintain our current momentum?
It's hard to find potential trade partners who actually have players who fit our current needs and also can match salaries and don't already have the PG position blocked. The only two I could find are:
Fox to Detroit for Jaden Ivey, Ron Holland, and Isaiah Stewart
or
Fox and Huerter to Utah for Collin Sexton, Brice Sensabough, John Collins, and Walker Kessler
It's hard to find potential trade partners who actually have players who fit our current needs and also can match salaries and don't already have the PG position blocked. The only two I could find are:
Fox to Detroit for Jaden Ivey, Ron Holland, and Isaiah Stewart
or
Fox and Huerter to Utah for Collin Sexton, Brice Sensabough, John Collins, and Walker Kessler
I think if we dealt with San Antonio we'd repackage some of those picks to the Nets or Utah for players we are already linked to where picks were the hold up. And still potentially grab a boom/bust prospect in Castle and a defensive stopper in Sochan (if Spurs do that).
A Heat deal would be for two useful prospects and maybe a pick or two. Ware would give us something we don't have. I'm kind of laughing about the suggestion that the #15 pick in the worst draft in recent memory for Fox, a top 20 player entering his prime is off the table in some people's estimation but whatever.
Almost any Houston deal pitched is for guys that fill immediate needs and have been contributors for the last 2-3 years on that team and a pick or two.
I don't see any of them as kick the can moves, they are moves for now and the future.
A Heat deal would be for two useful prospects and maybe a pick or two. Ware would give us something we don't have. I'm kind of laughing about the suggestion that the #15 pick in the worst draft in recent memory for Fox, a top 20 player entering his prime is off the table in some people's estimation but whatever.
Almost any Houston deal pitched is for guys that fill immediate needs and have been contributors for the last 2-3 years on that team and a pick or two.
I don't see any of them as kick the can moves, they are moves for now and the future.
Houston has already said they're not making a deal though. They're #2 in the West so there's no reason for them to break up a good thing.
Miami has bigger problems to solve with Jimmy Butler. Has there ever been any indication that Miami wants Fox? He is buddies with Bam but he also seems a little redundant with Herro. And you should know that players aren't evaluated based on their past draft position -- they're evaluated based on how well they're performing and their age and supposed growth curve. Kal'el Ware seems to be trending in a direction where Miami might just want to wait and see what they have. And I don't think they can afford to make any big moves until they figure out what to do with Jimmy Butler.
With San Antonio I'm not that impressed with either Sochan or Castle right now. I was high on both of those guys in their respective drafts but that came with the caveat that they needed to prove they can shoot once they got into the NBA. Sochan is in year 3 and has a career 3pt % of .287. Castle is near the top of a historically bad rookie class but that's not saying much. His shooting splits are .400/.259/.716. Do we actually get better by giving rotation minutes to these two? Probably not.
Honestly confused why Recee walking this back when Paul seems to be DLo and Shams source. If you want to stay in Sac then fire that clown. From my view I see a guy saying one thing and doing another. Recee seems to be playing the Kings FO is clueless bit to try to keep fans on their side. Dame got a hero's welcome in Portland tonight, no need to gaslight the fans what is happening, many fans will cheer Fox when he comes back.
Yes Miami had expressed interest in Fox before. I'm not suggest Houston is going to make a deal. All I am saying is most of the "pick heavy" deals come with players. You may not be impressed with Sochan or Castle but they would get guys playing 38 mins per game down to 32 while we have more time to develop Devin and Keon. Sochan gives us a defensive oriented big you're probably limited with who he'll ever go with but we could use that skill set for bad matchups and Castle really hasn't been in the league long enough to decide anything. Those Hawks picks could turn into something.
The point is that the deals all have a little bit of everything sprinkled in and shy of finding a legit all-star right now talent to come straight back I think that might be the best approach.
The point is that the deals all have a little bit of everything sprinkled in and shy of finding a legit all-star right now talent to come straight back I think that might be the best approach.
If you're okay with Sochan and Castle then why not Holland and Ivey? Holland is barely playing but his shooting splits are better than Castle and he's just as good of a defender as Sochan. And unlike Castle, Ivey is already a proven scorer. If the reason you'd prefer to make a deal with San Antonio is more picks I just don't see that as much added value. Most first round picks wind up being wasted assets. And we can't afford to burn through Domas' prime waiting to develop more rookies taken in the next 6 drafts. Fans are already losing patience with Keegan and he was an older rookie.
My suggestion was to use some of those picks in a Huerter/Lyles for Cam and Sharpe deal and keep ATL's picks. And then either sell those for immediate talent as needed or draft to replace guys we can't afford to keep long term.
I'm not opposed to the Detroit package but I am not sure why Detroit does it especially if Fox doesn't view that as a place he can win in the next 2-3 years so he bails. Is Fox going to put Detroit over?
I'm not opposed to the Detroit package but I am not sure why Detroit does it especially if Fox doesn't view that as a place he can win in the next 2-3 years so he bails. Is Fox going to put Detroit over?
Somebody was watching G League, it was against Stockton in Carter's debut that he scored 30_ ?
So... Fox has one good game the past 2 weeks or so and suddenly the whole trade scenario rises to the surface again now that his value went up? And the thread in the first 1-2 hours has way more comments than any game thread this season at least.
The irony is that Greek sites present the news as "Kings have put Fox on sale and seeing what they can get" as if it's the front office making the move. No mention to Klutch, Rich Paul or whatever, and naive people make fun of the front office for doing so in comments in social media.
Hopefully the team will not lose focus in the match at Philly later today, cause it's the "easiest' of matches that follow after (at Oklahoma and Minnesota) and a possible 3 defeats in a row might influence the team mentally despite the schedule getting normal afterwards.
So... Fox has one good game the past 2 weeks or so and suddenly the whole trade scenario rises to the surface again now that his value went up? And the thread in the first 1-2 hours has way more comments than any game thread this season at least.
The irony is that Greek sites present the news as "Kings have put Fox on sale and seeing what they can get" as if it's the front office making the move. No mention to Klutch, Rich Paul or whatever, and naive people make fun of the front office for doing so in comments in social media.
Hopefully the team will not lose focus in the match at Philly later today, cause it's the "easiest' of matches that follow after (at Oklahoma and Minnesota) and a possible 3 defeats in a row might influence the team mentally despite the schedule getting normal afterwards.