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Who was the worst Top 10 pick in the Sacramento era?


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Mr. S£im Citrus

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Washington Wizards 6-34 (1-16 Away) @ Sacramento Kings 21-20 (11-12 Home)
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Capt. Factorial

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Washington is playing the second game of a back-to-back and they are, to put it charitably, not very good... Which is exactly why the Kings need to be locked in, because these have historically been exactly the sort of games that the Kings **** around and lose.
This game will be a good test for whether real changes have taken root under Christie.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Cast my vote for Stauskas.

One because the rumor that Petrie out the door advised them to take Giannis, and two because I truly never had the dude on my draft radar for us.
whoops, I got this one wrong

On the surface I didn't hate it anywhere near as much as I hated Elison, Hurley, or MBIII and yet those all seemed sensical for basketball reasons even if I hated them or had a player I really wanted. There are more than a few there I was excited about. The "I can't believe they drafted Kleine instead of Karl Malone" has been tempered by Karl Malone being Karl Malone. Hawes who is maybe my most hated Kings player ever did that off the court.

So yeah, Stauskas just strikes me as a special level of bad.
 
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Losing this game just throws out the BOS/HOU wins out the window. Think we've lost to the Wizards at home the last 2 years and last year I'm fairly certain was without like 3 of their best players.

The 6-11 seed in the West right now is clumped together within 2 games. Spurs are 3.5 back on the 6 seed. Put a lot of good work to getting fully back into this race the last 3 weeks, have to take advantage of games like this where we're clearly the superior team. There's not many on the schedule.
 
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Cast my vote for Stauskas.

One because the rumor that Petrie out the door advised them to take Giannis, and two because I truly never had the dude on my draft radar for us.

On the surface I didn't hate it anywhere near as much as I hated Elison, Hurley, or MBIII and yet those all seemed sensical for basketball reasons even if I hated them or had a player I really wanted. There are more than a few there I was excited about. The "I can't believe they drafted Kleine instead of Karl Malone" has been tempered by Karl Malone being Karl Malone. Hawes who is maybe my most hated Kings player ever did that off the court.

So yeah, Stauskas just strikes me as a special level of bad.
I think Giannis was the year before when we drafted BMac ‍:eek:
 

pdxKingsFan

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I think Giannis was the year before when we drafted BMac ‍:eek:
I stand corrected. McElmore seemed highly regarded (but he was also the guy other teams were going to let fall like a rock). Much like Thomas Robinson he seemed like a "oh wow can't believe we are getting this guy!" I was kind of excited.

Anyways, something to note for the "of course Monte picked Haliburton!" crowd.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#13
I still hate the Stauskas pick. It's not as bad in retrospect if it was the year after Petrie left, but still a guy I think everyone saw as a reach. Zach LaVine went a few picks later. Other notable guys still around are Nurkic, Capella, Bogdan. Plenty of guys who had longer careers but were just average as well.

Oh also - Jimmer. Jimmer. That's the worst pick in Sac Kings history. Not on the poll but Final answer.
 

Capt. Factorial

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On the poll:

For me to consider a pick to be bad, we need two criteria: The player needs to stink, and there had to be an obvious should-have-known better choice, and the more of those, the worse it looks.

Some of the players on the list just are not competitive for "worst" top-ten Sacramento pick:

Hurley is out of consideration - there is no "should have known he would get in a near-fatal car wreck and ruin his career".

Cauley-Stein just wasn't that bad. Should have been better, would have been better if he appropriately prioritzed basketball relative to weed. But the guys immediately after Cauley-Stein stunk a lot worse. There's no real buyer's remorse here.

Hawes has a similar argument to WCS, minus the weed (as far as I know). As a #10 pick there wasn't a lot on the board. Sure, Thaddeus Young had a pretty good career, but nobody's looking back over that and crying over it.

McLemore was pretty bad, but that draft was pretty slim pickings. Yes, there was Giannis, and yes, Petrie gave him a nod on his way out, but Giannis was such a wildcard that he didn't go for another 8 picks. Not enough "shoulda known" to win this prize.

Stauskas was very bad, and seems to have been a Vivek Special - everybody remembers that video from the draft room where the entire draft staff looked to be deferring to Vivek. But there was really *nothing* on the board there. The only player you can really even consider is LaVine, and he didn't break out until his 7th season, it's not like he would have broken out with us anyway.

That leaves four guys really in consideration.

Pervis gets a pretty name as our only ever #1 overall pick...but man, 1989 was a dud of a draft. I guess Glen Rice would have been nice, but Pervis doesn't quite make the cut.

Joe Kleine was actually pretty bad, and he had Mullin, Schrempf, and Oakley coming right in a row after him. Yuck. But on the other hand, he managed to scrape out a 15-year career and gave the Kings almost four years of backup production, so he's safe.

Marvin Bagley will be the board's pick, I'm quite sure. He has been bad (though clearly not the worst player on this list overall), and there was the super-obvious pick of Luka on the board, as well as JJJ and Trae Young. He did give the Kings almost four years before being shown the door, and that's something.

Bagley's only real competition is Thomas Robinson. Robinson was the "What if the Maloofs won't pay for a PF?" pick where Petrie took him instead of his actual target Lillard. Oops. So there's an obvious "shoulda" there. And Robinson gave the Kings nothing. Really, less than nothing, as he was traded during his rookie year while being worth negative Win Shares. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Kings FRPs that got traded away during their rookie seasons, and certainly nobody that was picked at 5 with Lillard on the board.

This is really close to a tie for me. So which team was hurt more by not getting their guy, the Fox-Buddy-Barnes-Bogdan team, or the Tyreke-Cousins-IT-Salmons team? Coulda had Fox-Luka, or coulda had Cousins-Lillard. I think I have to go with the latter for fit. Thomas Robinson, you are the weakest link!
 

pdxKingsFan

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On the poll:

For me to consider a pick to be bad, we need two criteria: The player needs to stink, and there had to be an obvious should-have-known better choice, and the more of those, the worse it looks.

Some of the players on the list just are not competitive for "worst" top-ten Sacramento pick:

Hurley is out of consideration - there is no "should have known he would get in a near-fatal car wreck and ruin his career".

Cauley-Stein just wasn't that bad. Should have been better, would have been better if he appropriately prioritzed basketball relative to weed. But the guys immediately after Cauley-Stein stunk a lot worse. There's no real buyer's remorse here.

Hawes has a similar argument to WCS, minus the weed (as far as I know). As a #10 pick there wasn't a lot on the board. Sure, Thaddeus Young had a pretty good career, but nobody's looking back over that and crying over it.

McLemore was pretty bad, but that draft was pretty slim pickings. Yes, there was Giannis, and yes, Petrie gave him a nod on his way out, but Giannis was such a wildcard that he didn't go for another 8 picks. Not enough "shoulda known" to win this prize.

Stauskas was very bad, and seems to have been a Vivek Special - everybody remembers that video from the draft room where the entire draft staff looked to be deferring to Vivek. But there was really *nothing* on the board there. The only player you can really even consider is LaVine, and he didn't break out until his 7th season, it's not like he would have broken out with us anyway.

That leaves four guys really in consideration.

Pervis gets a pretty name as our only ever #1 overall pick...but man, 1989 was a dud of a draft. I guess Glen Rice would have been nice, but Pervis doesn't quite make the cut.

Joe Kleine was actually pretty bad, and he had Mullin, Schrempf, and Oakley coming right in a row after him. Yuck. But on the other hand, he managed to scrape out a 15-year career and gave the Kings almost four years of backup production, so he's safe.

Marvin Bagley will be the board's pick, I'm quite sure. He has been bad (though clearly not the worst player on this list overall), and there was the super-obvious pick of Luka on the board, as well as JJJ and Trae Young. He did give the Kings almost four years before being shown the door, and that's something.

Bagley's only real competition is Thomas Robinson. Robinson was the "What if the Maloofs won't pay for a PF?" pick where Petrie took him instead of his actual target Lillard. Oops. So there's an obvious "shoulda" there. And Robinson gave the Kings nothing. Really, less than nothing, as he was traded during his rookie year while being worth negative Win Shares. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Kings FRPs that got traded away during their rookie seasons, and certainly nobody that was picked at 5 with Lillard on the board.

This is really close to a tie for me. So which team was hurt more by not getting their guy, the Fox-Buddy-Barnes-Bogdan team, or the Tyreke-Cousins-IT-Salmons team? Coulda had Fox-Luka, or coulda had Cousins-Lillard. I think I have to go with the latter for fit. Thomas Robinson, you are the weakest link!
This is entirely a reasonable assessment but I really did think TRob was someone folks were excited about. Honestly I didn't watch him play much but he was mocked as high as #2 and I guess some folks thought that meant we got a steal. To say disappointment that's an understatement but I guess I consider draft night vibes as well as crap career in all of this. Bagley is going to run away with this and yet you wonder if it could have been a different story had things not gone so sour with our coaching staff and FO midway through the year and his dad being a horror show.

If Stauskas was the Vivek special (he was, which is part of why he got my vote), Jimmer was the Maloof cynical "let's draft a fan-base" move. Honestly can't believe he got left off!

also: I think my sheer hatred for Duke has never been disguised on this board and I hated Hurley in college but it really is hard for me to reconcile him being on the list, and not just for the accident. But damn, and I know this might be victim blaming, but what a waste just for not wearing a seat belt.
 
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Capt. Factorial

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The year Stauskas came out so did Jokic. Picked in the second round.
In hindsight, seems there was someone besides LaVine worth picking.
Even if we're playing "hindsight is 20/20" we still have to live in the real world. Had we not taken Stauskas, there is a 0% chance we would have pivoted to Jokic. Jokic was not on our radar. Jokic was not on anybody's radar in the first round, as evidenced by the fact that every single team passed on him. Even Denver passed on him twice, at both #16 and #19.
 

pdxKingsFan

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The answer is always Spencer Hawes. He actively supported moving the team that makes him a level of evil. No other player can achieve
I agree with him being the crappiest Kings player in Sac history for this reason but I can't really say he was the worst pick when we've made so many terrible ones.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Even if we're playing "hindsight is 20/20" we still have to live in the real world. Had we not taken Stauskas, there is a 0% chance we would have pivoted to Jokic. Jokic was not on our radar. Jokic was not on anybody's radar in the first round, as evidenced by the fact that every single team passed on him. Even Denver passed on him twice, at both #16 and #19.
Stauskas was not on my radar. Where was he mocked? I went back and looked and anywhere from 11-19 it seems.

What's crazy (sad for my Arizona fan) was multiple sites had Aaron Gordon falling to us.
 

Capt. Factorial

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This is entirely a reasonable assessment but I really did think TRob was someone folks were excited about. Honestly I didn't watch him play much but he was mocked as high as #2 and I guess some folks thought that meant we got a steal. To say disappointment that's an understatement but I guess I consider draft night vibes as well as crap career in all of this.
Yeah, I was one of the people really excited about TRob. I thought he'd vacuum up every rebound like he did in college, I thought he'd score 20 points a game in the post and with a little midrange. I have no idea what happened, but his college game translated worse than any I can remember. But for my part, I'm not considering draft night vibes. If you did, wouldn't Peja be the worst pick of all time? ;)

If Stauskas was the Vivek special (he was, which is part of why he got my vote), Jimmer was the Maloof cynical "let's draft a fan-base" move. Honestly can't believe he got left off!
Yeah, he was bad. Picked at #10, so eligible for the poll, and with Klay and Kawhi on his heels...he'd have gotten real consideration if he had been on the list.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Stauskas was not on my radar. Where was he mocked? I went back and looked and anywhere from 11-19 it seems.

What's crazy (sad for my Arizona fan) was multiple sites had Aaron Gordon falling to us.
Stauskas wasn't really a shock. Even if the mocks had him a bit lower, there were a lot of guys there that I wasn't real excited about (Vonleh and LaVine included - BTW that's coming from a UCLA fan, I thought he was a big dud). Stauskas really was one of those picks where with who was left on the board, it was just a question of what mistake we were going to make. "Oh, you reached a couple of picks for Stauskas. OK."
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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I believe it bears acknowledgement that the only reason this poll question exists is because Bagley is on the Wizards. I do not consider myself to be in the habit of creating poll questions with such transparently "bait" answers. But the engagement on this topic fascinates me: it is certainly more interesting to observe now that the Kings are no longer horrible.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Yeah, I was one of the people really excited about TRob. I thought he'd vacuum up every rebound like he did in college, I thought he'd score 20 points a game in the post and with a little midrange. I have no idea what happened, but his college game translated worse than any I can remember. But for my part, I'm not considering draft night vibes. If you did, wouldn't Peja be the worst pick of all time? ;)
From what I had heard about Peja (usenet maybe?) I was genuinely excited about that pick. Also we sucked so who cared? lol

I'm blaming you for getting me hyped on TRob :D Really the only thing I remember about that draft was following it on this forum from my old office.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Stauskas wasn't really a shock. Even if the mocks had him a bit lower, there were a lot of guys there that I wasn't real excited about (Vonleh and LaVine included - BTW that's coming from a UCLA fan, I thought he was a big dud). Stauskas really was one of those picks where with who was left on the board, it was just a question of what mistake we were going to make. "Oh, you reached a couple of picks for Stauskas. OK."
I will grant you that I really didn't have a wishlist beyond Aaron Gordon in that draft, and I honestly didn't think there'd be any way he fell to us. Scrolling through the list not a lot of other names jump out to me as guys I would have picked, although there's obviously about 5-6 guys that worked out.
 
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Even if we're playing "hindsight is 20/20" we still have to live in the real world. Had we not taken Stauskas, there is a 0% chance we would have pivoted to Jokic. Jokic was not on our radar. Jokic was not on anybody's radar in the first round, as evidenced by the fact that every single team passed on him. Even Denver passed on him twice, at both #16 and #19.
It was just a fun fact. Yes, everybody missed that one and it did take Jokic some time to develop.
I wanted Elfred Payton with that 8th pick.
 
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On the poll:

For me to consider a pick to be bad, we need two criteria: The player needs to stink, and there had to be an obvious should-have-known better choice, and the more of those, the worse it looks.

Some of the players on the list just are not competitive for "worst" top-ten Sacramento pick:

Hurley is out of consideration - there is no "should have known he would get in a near-fatal car wreck and ruin his career".

Cauley-Stein just wasn't that bad. Should have been better, would have been better if he appropriately prioritzed basketball relative to weed. But the guys immediately after Cauley-Stein stunk a lot worse. There's no real buyer's remorse here.

Hawes has a similar argument to WCS, minus the weed (as far as I know). As a #10 pick there wasn't a lot on the board. Sure, Thaddeus Young had a pretty good career, but nobody's looking back over that and crying over it.

McLemore was pretty bad, but that draft was pretty slim pickings. Yes, there was Giannis, and yes, Petrie gave him a nod on his way out, but Giannis was such a wildcard that he didn't go for another 8 picks. Not enough "shoulda known" to win this prize.

Stauskas was very bad, and seems to have been a Vivek Special - everybody remembers that video from the draft room where the entire draft staff looked to be deferring to Vivek. But there was really *nothing* on the board there. The only player you can really even consider is LaVine, and he didn't break out until his 7th season, it's not like he would have broken out with us anyway.

That leaves four guys really in consideration.

Pervis gets a pretty name as our only ever #1 overall pick...but man, 1989 was a dud of a draft. I guess Glen Rice would have been nice, but Pervis doesn't quite make the cut.

Joe Kleine was actually pretty bad, and he had Mullin, Schrempf, and Oakley coming right in a row after him. Yuck. But on the other hand, he managed to scrape out a 15-year career and gave the Kings almost four years of backup production, so he's safe.

Marvin Bagley will be the board's pick, I'm quite sure. He has been bad (though clearly not the worst player on this list overall), and there was the super-obvious pick of Luka on the board, as well as JJJ and Trae Young. He did give the Kings almost four years before being shown the door, and that's something.

Bagley's only real competition is Thomas Robinson. Robinson was the "What if the Maloofs won't pay for a PF?" pick where Petrie took him instead of his actual target Lillard. Oops. So there's an obvious "shoulda" there. And Robinson gave the Kings nothing. Really, less than nothing, as he was traded during his rookie year while being worth negative Win Shares. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Kings FRPs that got traded away during their rookie seasons, and certainly nobody that was picked at 5 with Lillard on the board.

This is really close to a tie for me. So which team was hurt more by not getting their guy, the Fox-Buddy-Barnes-Bogdan team, or the Tyreke-Cousins-IT-Salmons team? Coulda had Fox-Luka, or coulda had Cousins-Lillard. I think I have to go with the latter for fit. Thomas Robinson, you are the weakest link!
nice analysis. It is pretty much the same methodology I would use. That being said hard to leave out the Davion pick using your Methodology. On the board at that time was: Moses Moody, Alpheren Sengun (remember we still had Hali), Trae Murphy, Jalen Johnson, Herb Jones. How much was the Fox, Buddy, Hali, Barnes team hurt not getting front court help? Had Monte picked differently we could still have Hali also.

To me the Bagley, Robinson, Davion and Jimmer picks are all top 5.
 
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Losing this game just throws out the BOS/HOU wins out the window. Think we've lost to the Wizards at home the last 2 years and last year I'm fairly certain was without like 3 of their best players.

The 6-11 seed in the West right now is clumped together within 2 games. Spurs are 3.5 back on the 6 seed. Put a lot of good work to getting fully back into this race the last 3 weeks, have to take advantage of games like this where we're clearly the superior team. There's not many on the schedule.
on top of it I gave my tickets (this is the game he wanted) to my pastor who said going to a Kings game was a bucket list item. I really really want him to be there when they light the beam!!!
 
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