I hear great things about the Thunder lead assistant. But if we were to move off Brown, I would only do it if we could get Dan Hurley. I think him rejecting Lakers’ offer is due to being in LeBron’s shadow. Total pipe dream but he is a proven winner, great motivator, and runs an amazing motion offense
FIRE MIKE BROWN
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No way do the Kings make a huge move like that now unless someone has been chomping for failure and a reason. Look the season has been disappointing but this isn't so far out of hand yet. Rip off 5 wins in a row and according to these same fans Brown is COY again, Fox is MVP, Domas is the best big in the league, and so on lol. Now nobody should bet on that happening but people act like the Kings and the Pels swapped records here. The issues are strategic and perhaps fit. We know the defensive system is trash. Has been for 3 years now.
The idiot braintrust of this franchise couldn't wait to fire Malone though. I think Brown is something that if it happens it's just because we're resigned to doing it. And if it happens it's still Monte's fault for giving him a broken roster and failing to fix shortcomings that were apparent in the Warriors series.
There's a reason they have a coach who is head of the offense and the defense or "coordinators". There's no excuse for how often 3pt shooters are open against this team, with this roster. It's an ineffective defensive strategy.
Everyone has always said that if they could just be "average" or middle of the pack on defense, they'd have a good chance to be dangerous
Everyone has always said that if they could just be "average" or middle of the pack on defense, they'd have a good chance to be dangerous
"Real PF" What's that? Anyone who would classify under the old definition of a "power foward" is a 4/5 flex. Randle is probably the last true PF that can't flex down to the 5.
Also Keegan was the best player in the country at the "4". So why wouldn't he be able to play it in the NBA? It's great he has the flexibility to play both wing slots, that's a benefit.
Also Keegan was the best player in the country at the "4". So why wouldn't he be able to play it in the NBA? It's great he has the flexibility to play both wing slots, that's a benefit.
It's not that simple otherwise Keegan would have looked much better at the 3 this season. I mean, it's not like Brown doesn't play Keegan minutes next to Lyles and Domas or even Jones and Domas. It's always been part of the scheme and it's not as effective because athletically and defensively the Kings usually suffer. The fact is Brown has thrown almost every combo he has, big, small, or otherwise. Actually, the truth is when Brown has gone small with the guards the team has looked far more dangerous. He hasn't gone back to that after seeing some success so that's on him.
I go back to the Warriors series where even a "small" team completely smashed our front court. Yeah the stomp had an impact on Domas but it went beyond that and in the aftermath we shipped out almost all of the bigger guys for smaller skilled guys and proceeded to get bullied by any team with any sort of "nastiness" last year.
There is a certain amount of positional flexibility that didn't exist before but the issue is we actually DON'T have flexibility. We're playing small at every position and the roster is set up where in order to put any size on the court we have to take a huge talent hit to adjust.
And with Keegan the issue is he's the only guy that even remotely resembles a PF but he's a "big wing". Sometimes you need a PF.
There is a certain amount of positional flexibility that didn't exist before but the issue is we actually DON'T have flexibility. We're playing small at every position and the roster is set up where in order to put any size on the court we have to take a huge talent hit to adjust.
And with Keegan the issue is he's the only guy that even remotely resembles a PF but he's a "big wing". Sometimes you need a PF.
The talent drop with Lyles or Jones vs. the concentration at players who traditionally would be "2" is the issue. We are just loaded up with guards. We all know this. I don't think it is controversial. I'm excited about Carter but nobody wanted to draft another guard and not address front court depth.
This is Monte's mess.
This is Monte's mess.
I don't watch some of the recent Kings games. But in my opinion, Malik Monk should never be a starter. His defense suck. There are players that you ONLY put him in there if he is surrounded by good defenders. So if you start him, it means the overall team defense is going to be bad. Giving the fact the DeRozan ain't a good defender anyway, you're asking for trouble to start Monk. Huerter ain't any better either. But with Monk coming off the bench, at least you get offensive fire power to play with...otherwise, you're burned up and don't know where the offense is going to come from off the bench.
It's not the answer to all the bad shooting, but a starting lineup that includes Keon Ellis and someone who has the size to matchup with 4's would allow Murray to move back to the 3, which I think is his best spot, where he isn't asked to guard the best 1-4 opponent as often as he has this season.
It would take a lot of pressure off Murray, as well as allow him to conserve some energy....and perhaps allow someone to feel comfortable enough to implement a defensive scheme that doesn't help and collapse as often
It would take a lot of pressure off Murray, as well as allow him to conserve some energy....and perhaps allow someone to feel comfortable enough to implement a defensive scheme that doesn't help and collapse as often
the best basketball is always five guys playing on a string and we haven’t seen that on either side of the court all year. Standing and watching on defense as guys waltz to the rim has become all too common. no amount of individual talent can overcome lack of an effective scheme, and I doubt the guys in this roster, especially at the top, are the types to tune out instructions and not buy in to a system
And anyone that thinks drafting potentially a rock solid prospect that doesn't get in the way of Fox was in anyway shape or form the teams issue is mind boggling to me. The Kings shouldn't really have even had that pick to begin with. The Kings lack physicality and athletic ability, we'll see if they landed that at the 2, or maybe even the 1 long term. Ideally, Carter is one half of the best offensive/defensive combo backcourts in the league. Front court wise, what were the options? He went with DeRozan who is a 3 for the last number of years for that needed talent upgrade. If that was a mistake, it was a mistake, but rolling out Barnes and Keegan was the only other realistic option. And the other options discussed for the last few seasons represented likely only a marginal upgrade. This is a Fox/Domas issue, not size at the 4 even if it would help. They aren't super far away from being about what they were, but your stars are taking you 90% of the way or should.
This is all based on moving DeRozan out or around and I can't see that happening with Brown. Murray's been guarding the best guard for 2 seasons now. That's where his energy issues would be. He did a great job against Siakam and didn't have to run around nearly as much off the pick and roll screens. He's a moving target as a POA defender since Brown wants them getting skinny over screens. Hard to get skinny when you're that big. Bigger forwards might be an issue, but there aren't many of them regardless. The Kings like all teams do eventually change it up though.