“The List”

[iowamcnabb]

Let’s discuss the players the Athletic says we are interested in. I believe them more than the Sidery types.

Cam Johnson
Jerami Grant
Kuzma and Jonas (the pair)
John Collins

I’m leaving off DFS because the interest is allegedly minimum.

All 4 options have flaws. Cam could cost us Devin if you believe the reports. Grant is a bit older and a bit longer contract. Kuzma/Jonas is only interesting to me as a package. Kuzma is a talent upgrade but will he accept a role player situation or would he still rather be a number one or two on a bad team? Collins produces but does he help you win?

if I was a betting man I’d bet that one of those deals gets done before the deadline to appease Lord Fox.

Which one do you prefer?

 

[LPKingsFan]

To me, it ultimately depends on the price the other team is willing to accept. All of these would presumably start with Huerter and Lyles, the question is what sweetner is needed?

Utah got Collins for nothing, doesn’t really want to win now, and would save several million by splitting his deal for a package that includes Lyles expiring contract. Does that mean they’d settle for something less than a first? If so, I’d prefer that route, even if Collins is potentially the least impactful of the bunch. I am wary of trading Carter or multiple firsts to save this core at this point.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

What does Collins cost knowing it's Ainge we're dealing with? God f that dude. He probably wants 3 firsts. lol.

I like the idea of Collins, Keegan sliding back to 3 and DDR coming off the bench. Assuming he doesn't cost us much.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

To me, it ultimately depends on the price the other team is willing to accept. All of these would presumably start with Huerter and Lyles, the question is what sweetner is needed?

Utah got Collins for nothing, doesn’t really want to win now, and would save several million by splitting his deal for a package that includes Lyles expiring contract. Does that mean they’d settle for something less than a first? If so, I’d prefer that route, even if Collins is potentially the least impactful of the bunch. I am wary of trading Carter or multiple firsts to save this core at this point.

Couple kings people on Twitter made a good point you should come close to emptying the barrow to improve this year you’ll get everything back in a fox trade anyways

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I like Kuzma it’s a buy low and our frontcourt depth is pretty much set especially the bench with Kuzma/lyles. With grant we get a good defender and shooter probably only have to give up a first but we’d lose both Huerter and Lyle’s.

 

[twslam07]

I’m leaving off DFS because the interest is allegedly minimum.

Boooooooo

 

[jiimbob]

I don’t want to part with Devin Carter if that’s what getting Cam entails. Otherwise yes please.

Im intrigued most by adding Jonas because Brown doesn’t seem to trust any of the current bigs that should be decreasing Domas’s work load. If that means a package that includes Kuzma, im not opposed. I seem to like him more than most.

I’d welcome any of the mentioned . Something needs to change and really want to see Huerter moved.

 

[twslam07]

@iowamcnabb on a more serious note….

Cam Johnson has average size/length as a SF. In fact, his measurements are very similar to DeRozan. He’s not the right target as we need to add a player with more size, length, and defense to help address our glaring weakness.

Kuzma just makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth at this point. He’s not a good shooter from 3, he hasn’t been a good defender, and he’s not an efficient scorer. What are we even considering here? Valanciunas is solid as a backup C, but I have other backup C targets I would prefer (especially if WAS is demanding a 1st).

John Collins has the size for PF but he’s not the defender that I would hope for at that spot. I also don’t think he’s very versatile defensively in that he’s always seemed a little heavier on his feet vs. some of these other guys that are listed. I wouldn’t be overly outraged if Monte decided to trade for Collins (as long as he didn’t give up any significant assets) but it’s far from my 1st choice considering he’s not a good defender, he doesn’t seem like hat versatile defensively, and his current contract value would require us to send out two rotation players (Huerter + Lyles) which would hurt our depth.

It probably comes as no surprise to anyone that Jerami Grant would be my preferred choice out of this list. Yes, he would also require two rotation players to make the deal work (Huerter & Lyles) but unlike Collins, he has a much higher defensive ceiling, is much more versatile defensively, and can be a go-to scoring option. In fact, I think a Jerami Grant trade that would be solid for us would be…

Jerami Grant
Jabari Walker
Duop Reath

for

Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Colby Jones
Future 1st

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

@iowamcnabb on a more serious note….

Cam Johnson has average size/length as a SF. In fact, his measurements are very similar to DeRozan. He’s not the right target as we need to add a player with more size, length, and defense to help address our glaring weakness.

Kuzma just makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth at this point. He’s not a good shooter from 3, he hasn’t been a good defender, and he’s not an efficient scorer. What are we even considering here? Valanciunas is solid as a backup C, but I have other backup C targets I would prefer (especially if WAS is demanding a 1st).

John Collins has the size for PF but he’s not the defender that I would hope for at that spot. I also don’t think he’s very versatile defensively in that he’s always seemed a little heavier on his feet vs. some of these other guys that are listed. I wouldn’t be overly outraged if Monte decided to trade for Collins (as long as he didn’t give up any significant assets) but it’s far from my 1st choice considering he’s not a good defender, he doesn’t seem like hat versatile defensively, and his current contract value would require us to send out two rotation players (Huerter + Lyles) which would hurt our depth.

It probably comes as no surprise to anyone that Jerami Grant would be my preferred choice out of this list. Yes, he would also require two rotation players to make the deal work (Huerter & Lyles) but unlike Collins, he has a much higher defensive ceiling, is much more versatile defensively, and can be a go-to scoring option. In fact, I think a Jerami Grant trade that would be solid for us would be…

Jerami Grant
Jabari Walker
Duop Reath

for

Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Colby Jones
Future 1st

You gotta get Keegan his brother in a multi player trade with the Blazers

 

[iowamcnabb]

@iowamcnabb on a more serious note….

Cam Johnson has average size/length as a SF. In fact, his measurements are very similar to DeRozan. He’s not the right target as we need to add a player with more size, length, and defense to help address our glaring weakness.

Kuzma just makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth at this point. He’s not a good shooter from 3, he hasn’t been a good defender, and he’s not an efficient scorer. What are we even considering here? Valanciunas is solid as a backup C, but I have other backup C targets I would prefer (especially if WAS is demanding a 1st).

John Collins has the size for PF but he’s not the defender that I would hope for at that spot. I also don’t think he’s very versatile defensively in that he’s always seemed a little heavier on his feet vs. some of these other guys that are listed. I wouldn’t be overly outraged if Monte decided to trade for Collins (as long as he didn’t give up any significant assets) but it’s far from my 1st choice considering he’s not a good defender, he doesn’t seem like hat versatile defensively, and his current contract value would require us to send out two rotation players (Huerter + Lyles) which would hurt our depth.

It probably comes as no surprise to anyone that Jerami Grant would be my preferred choice out of this list. Yes, he would also require two rotation players to make the deal work (Huerter & Lyles) but unlike Collins, he has a much higher defensive ceiling, is much more versatile defensively, and can be a go-to scoring option. In fact, I think a Jerami Grant trade that would be solid for us would be…

Jerami Grant
Jabari Walker
Duop Reath

for

Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Colby Jones
Future 1st

if you add any of those guys you are banking on them being better in lesser roles. My concern is no one on that list plays with fire and intensity. If I’m Monte I want guys that play with force on both sides. Can migt be the guy that does it the best on the list but the price is too high. I’m a bit less concerned with size than you, I just want dawgs.

 

[Tetsujin]

if you add any of those guys you are banking on them being better in lesser roles. My concern is no one on that list plays with fire and intensity. If I’m Monte I want guys that play with force on both sides. Can migt be the guy that does it the best on the list but the price is too high. I’m a bit less concerned with size than you, I just want dawgs.

Gotta go get Bobby Portis, who is reportedly being singled in trade talks for some reason, then

 

[iowamcnabb]

Gotta go get Bobby Portis, who is reportedly being singled in trade talks for some reason, then

you would probably have to give up Lyles and Keon to get him. They need a perimeter defender next to Dame although Iowa boy AJ Green has elevated his game this year

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Portis can’t defend a cone

 

[iowamcnabb]

After sleeping on the list I’m still struggling to figure out the best course of action. Jerami Grant shot 38 percent from the field in November and 34 percent from 3. It’s been a bit better in December but that production worries me a bit. Cam Johnson has had ten teams call about him. Not willing to outbid that many teams.

Right now I think I’ve moved Collins to the top of the list. I know I’m getting shooting, rebounding and a lob threat. He is just 27 and under team control for 2 more years. I wish I trusted his defense more but who knows.

Still leaves us without a back up center that I’m comfortable with. We might not have enough matching salary for that.

 

[国王德罗赞]

No one is a good fit for us.

 

[iowamcnabb]

How about Monk and filler for Jaden Mcdaniels? They need a point guard and more offense and we need defense. Jaden isn’t shooting super awesome but is great defensively. We would probably have the best defending wing duo in the league. Trade Kev for a back up center that can log real minute and run a bench of Devin, Keon, Lyles and say Jonas

 

[国王德罗赞]

He'll compress our shooting space and we'll be a worse Timberwolves

 

[Joshyjosh31]

How about Monk and filler for Jaden Mcdaniels? They need a point guard and more offense and we need defense. Jaden isn’t shooting super awesome but is great defensively. We would probably have the best defending wing duo in the league. Trade Kev for a back up center that can log real minute and run a bench of Devin, Keon, Lyles and say Jonas

McDaniels and Derozan man would have a camp out in the paint watching them go 1-15 shooting

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871202295297507335

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871227642088698172

If Kuzma can be had for Huerter, C.Jones, Len, and a single first you have to take the chance. Balances out the roster for cheap and out bench would be decent

 

[twslam07]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871202295297507335

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871227642088698172

If Kuzma can be had for Huerter, C.Jones, Len, and a single first you have to take the chance. Balances out the roster for cheap and out bench would be decent

Have to? I'm not giving up a 1st for a losing player who's not even a good fit on paper with this roster. There are better options out there to pursue.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah, enough of trying to trade for all these bad players like Grant and Kuzma. They don't impact winning

 

[iowamcnabb]

He'll compress our shooting space and we'll be a worse Timberwolves

hes been a floor spacer prior to this year. Close to 40 percent

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah, enough of trying to trade for all these bad players like Grant and Kuzma. They don't impact winning

Grant has a better history of impact but yeah, you don't go from thinking this is a disaster to now title hopes are alive because you traded for Kyle Kuzma. Sure looks like no team ever offered that first rounder to me. The Kings especially shouldn't considering that pick will have too many strings at this point.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

lol alright we’re not trading for Kuzma or grant and we don’t wanna trade for Cam cause he’s gonna go for a lot so I ask again who do you guys want to trade for

 

[The_Jamal]

Grant has a better history of impact but yeah, you don't go from thinking this is a disaster to now title hopes are alive because you traded for Kyle Kuzma. Sure looks like no team ever offered that first rounder to me. The Kings especially shouldn't considering that pick will have too many strings at this point.

Sorry, Grant being an elite role player 5 years ago just doesn't fly that he could just magically fall right back into that again on a good team. He gave that up to go be the "man" and he's floundered away since. His scoring stats aren't encouraging either:

TS% down 5% from last year
Ast rate down 3% from last year
FTr down 11% from last year

And the Blazers on/off splits with him are horrendous. -9.3 for Grant this year. In contrast, DDR's basically net neutral right now at -0.3.

I don't like Kuzma either but if we just said "Hey, Huerter for Kuzma swap", that's at least something that doesn't cripple your franchise and you don't give up future assets.

Grant has another 3 seasons! At 32, 34 and a 36 mil PO.

 

[The_Jamal]

lol alright we’re not trading for Kuzma or grant and we don’t wanna trade for Cam cause he’s gonna go for a lot so I ask again who do you guys want to trade for

I don't think we can really make a move right now. Or we shouldn't anyway. We're not totally out of this thing yet, but the Kings over the next 20 games is going to determine everything about our future. If you move future assets for someone like a Cam or Grant right now, what happens if we don't see that improvement? Uh-oh, now all of a sudden we added a huge contract, have way less future assets and aren't in contention.

Now if the Kings rip off like a 13-7 stretch and we're looking good heading to the deadline? Ok, you figured something out, that's when you try to add the other piece. But expecting one of these ancillary guys to save our current spiral is just going to bite us in the ass.

 

[SacTownKid]

Sorry, Grant being an elite role player 5 years ago just doesn't fly that he could just magically fall right back into that again on a good team. He gave that up to go be the "man" and he's floundered away since. His scoring stats aren't encouraging either:

TS% down 5% from last year
Ast rate down 3% from last year
FTr down 11% from last year

And the Blazers on/off splits with him are horrendous. -9.3 for Grant this year. In contrast, DDR's basically net neutral right now at -0.3.

I don't like Kuzma either but if we just said "Hey, Huerter for Kuzma swap", that's at least something that doesn't cripple your franchise and you don't give up future assets.

Grant has another 3 seasons! At 32, 34 and a 36 mil PO.

Grant was still putting up a + BPM on the Pistons whereas Kuz has actually NEVER been in the +, but yeah, no way do you take on that deal for Grant even to be a role player. If you could trade Huerter for Kuz straight up fine, but unlikely.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I don't think we can really make a move right now. Or we shouldn't anyway. We're not totally out of this thing yet, but the Kings over the next 20 games is going to determine everything about our future. If you move future assets for someone like a Cam or Grant right now, what happens if we don't see that improvement? Uh-oh, now all of a sudden we added a huge contract, have way less future assets and aren't in contention.

Now if the Kings rip off like a 13-7 stretch and we're looking good heading to the deadline? Ok, you figured something out, that's when you try to add the other piece. But expecting one of these ancillary guys to save our current spiral is just going to bite us in the ass.

No matter what our record is we’re making a move they’re not just gonna sit there and watch Fox leave that’s not realistic

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't think we can really make a move right now. Or we shouldn't anyway. We're not totally out of this thing yet, but the Kings over the next 20 games is going to determine everything about our future. If you move future assets for someone like a Cam or Grant right now, what happens if we don't see that improvement? Uh-oh, now all of a sudden we added a huge contract, have way less future assets and aren't in contention.

Now if the Kings rip off like a 13-7 stretch and we're looking good heading to the deadline? Ok, you figured something out, that's when you try to add the other piece. But expecting one of these ancillary guys to save our current spiral is just going to bite us in the ass.

Exactly, this crew gets it done or not. Or at least starts heading that way. Sinking anymore of the future to add, add, and add is over. DDR was a decent shot, decent get, not a great fit, but if that doesn't get it done no middling piece is going to either. I think even better than making a trade for fit could be maybe trying to cut some of Huerters deal so at least maybe you can maximize the MLE in the summer, especially since there are trade options these days. Unless you are getting something for free you always would rather fill need without subtraction if possible. Right now it could be a decent market for need fillers come summer time.

 

[SacTownKid]

No matter what our record is we’re making a move they’re not just gonna sit there and watch Fox leave that’s not realistic

That doesn't have to happen this deadline. Maybe you take offers but wait until draft night if need be. Waiting until after the summer would be a whoops though. This team should have a one year prove it window and that's this year.