[Game] 29/82: Kings vs. Lakers 21 December 2024 3 pm PT/6 pm ET

[Joshyjosh31]

he was one of the best rebounders in college last season. Get real

Ok man you get your hopes up all you want lakers would’ve just bullied him or Dlo would still pick and roll him to death but ya the 6’3 guy will help on boards

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The only way to turn anything around is to just put this team on the road for the rest of the season. Now we have to take on Haliburton tomorrow lol can’t wait for those takes

If the Kings players can't get up for that game I don't know what to say.

 

[NewArena]

I was in the building for that Denver loss. That really be the one that killed us smh certainly killed my spirit

 

[NewArena]

I feel for Mike brown. Who knew Keegan and Huerter would be this up and mostly down? Especially Keegan. Idk I’m just hurt right now

 

[iowamcnabb]

Been the story of the season. I can't help but think "The Kings played really good basketball for 40 minutes tonight...and played like a JV high school team the other 8". They consistently aren't making the plays to secure wins with clean basketball.

I don't know. I find this season wholly unenjoyable so far. This was supposed to be the year of a big pay-off from us "learning" how to win and be a successful franchise over the last 2 years. And we've just gone backwards.

Yeh, it’s really hard to not feel awful about this year. All the fan trauma we’ve had, underperformance and uncertain future for GM, coach and star player. Can’t just have 2 good years and then back to basketball hell.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

At some point it's a talent/need issue. The Kings need talent/defense and the sad fact is the only spot that can be attained is SG. Every other spot is taken.

True but I don’t wanna hear complaints when he’s taking Keon’s minuets and takes him years to be a decent shooter

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

He already ****ing proved it when he won coach of the year and lead the Kings to 2 of their most successful seasons in franchise history.

Show me one example of a team in Brown's circumstance where they let him go into a season with a lame-duck contract. I'll wait.

Also, who cares? It's vivek's money, and coach salaries aren't tied up with the salary cap. I'd rather him take of a coach who's been successful with our franchise so it shows the Kings can be a competent organization. Rather than **** around with the ONLY successful coach this team has seen since Rick Adelman. This take is so unbelievably short-sighted.

You're probably not of age to remember how things used to be

 

[SacTownKid]

Well, the only cards Brown on his own has left to play outside of waiting for this team to play better

These aren’t my preferences but’s it’s either swapping Monk for Keon in the starting lineup, or moving DeMar to the bench.

Moving Keon to the starting lineup would be a different look that could possibly yield good results. He’s also been our most consistent catch and shoot three point shooter as well as well as a reliable defender.

To be clear, I don’t think DeRozan deserves to be moved to the bench. He’s mostly been as advertised but Kings are a mess and that idea is purely in search of a fluidity(and offensive bench boost) that eludes the Kings.

I have no idea who would be an ideal fit in the starting lineup in that scenario. McBuckets doesn’t seem like a serious idea and would likely be viewed as a slap in the face. Huerter certainly hasn’t earned his way back in the starting lineup.

But I’m pretty sure Brown finally deciding to let Monk start was what he considered his break glass button. He is probably right.

The massive offensive underperformance from Keegan and Huerter and the overall team 3 pt shooting completely threw a wrench into the whole concept of what this team is supposed to be…and it’s not getting better…it’s also no longer early to have any hope that it will get meaningfully better.

I don’t see any answers in house.

Monte needs to figure something out.

Dude has been mostly watching strikes float across the plate since his active 2022 offseason.

I’ve slowly lost faith that he has any more ideas left… or even recognizes how fatal the flaws on this team are since his efforts to address them the last two years couldn’t even be described as half hearted.

I’m down on this team.

When you've sliced and diced your rotations and still come short, it's one of two things, your stars or your philosophy. The Kings are at worst clearly in the muck of the West. Yes, for those expecting more it's disappointing but not surprising. The ace in the hole is that Carter is ready from day 1 and a perfect fit next to Fox. Then he and Keegan along with Keon can close the gaping hole defensively for this team. Fair? No, but those 3 shouldn't suffer even if it fails. This is on your stars in the end.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

To be clear, I don’t think DeRozan deserves to be moved to the bench. He’s mostly been as advertised but Kings are a mess and that idea is purely in search of a fluidity(and offensive bench boost) that eludes the Kings.

I have no idea who would be an ideal fit in the starting lineup in that scenario. McBuckets doesn’t seem like a serious idea and would likely be viewed as a slap in the face. Huerter certainly hasn’t earned his way back in the starting lineup.

This is probably where getting a real PF (whatever that means in today's NBA) coupled with DDR to bench makes a lot of sense. It's like two moves in one. Just not sure any of our rumored targets or available players are what we really need.

 

[iowamcnabb]

If that's true, then great. But I suspect that it would tend to influence decisions going forward......and it's his money, not ours. So feel free to throw it around

Vivek bought the team for 500 million and could sell it today for 3 billion. I don’t think he is worried about the equivalent of a mid level exception.

 

[SacTownKid]

True but I don’t wanna hear complaints when he’s taking Keon’s minuets and takes him years to be a decent shooter

That's largely on Brown. And yes, we KNOW Brown. Unless something is different Carter will have to so far go above and beyond to even get legit minutes that we can't get disappointed otherwise. Goodness gracious, look at Keon. Even all the ratings show that defense at SG is the way.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

This is probably where getting a real PF (whatever that means in today's NBA) coupled with DDR to bench makes a lot of sense. It's like two moves in one. Just not sure any of our rumored targets or available players are what we really need.

What they need to contend for a championship, or what they need to be a competitive playoff team that if things go their way, could go on a deep run?

 

[iowamcnabb]

If the post game has happened did anyone have the balls to ask Fox about the meeting with Paul?

 

[Tetsujin]

Ok man you get your hopes up all you want lakers would’ve just bullied him or Dlo would still pick and roll him to death but ya the 6’3 guy will help on boards

Have you actually seen Carter play? He’s an amazing pick and roll defender capable of guarding up who also rebounds at a ridiculous level for a guard. He’s also Anthony Carter’s son which means he’s tough as rocks.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

If the post game has happened did anyone have the balls to ask Fox about the meeting with Paul?

No post game show. First time I recall that happening

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Have you actually seen Carter play? He’s an amazing pick and roll defender capable of guarding up who also rebounds at a ridiculous level for a guard. He’s also Anthony Carter’s son which means he’s tough as rocks.

We need to see him in the NBA.

 

[Tetsujin]

We need to see him in the NBA.

Fair enough but listing literally two of Carter’s best qualities as a prospect as things the Lakers would destroy him at seems to indicate someone having not actually paid attention to the guy at all

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Have you actually seen Carter play? He’s an amazing pick and roll defender capable of guarding up who also rebounds at a ridiculous level for a guard. He’s also Anthony Carter’s son which means he’s tough as rocks.

He’s 6’3 you’re living in fantasy land if you think he’s guarding up this isn’t Marcus Smart who’s 210 pounds

 

[pdxKingsFan]

What they need to contend for a championship, or what they need to be a competitive playoff team that if things go their way, could go on a deep run?

The latter but you're also doing that with the hope that it creates a snowball effect of sorts, taking the load off of Sabonis and Keegan and the impact that might have on Fox crossing into the next tier of stardom.

Otherwise what's the point?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Fair enough but listing literally two of Carter’s best qualities as a prospect as things the Lakers would destroy him at seems to indicate someone having not actually paid attention to the guy at all

Yeah, we've just seen a lot of amazing college players, physically and skill wise, who for whatever reason didn't translate to the NBA. It's why the draft has always been about a lot of luck, even with top picks.

Just have to see them play in the NBA a bit to form a realistic opinion

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Fair enough but listing literally two of Carter’s best qualities as a prospect as things the Lakers would destroy him at seems to indicate someone having not actually paid attention to the guy at all

Sabonis was basically screening our guards in the pick in roll which lead to Dlo layups in the fourth. They got 3 offensive boards over DD and one over Keegan by AD the other by Rui how you think Carter is boxing Rui and AD put is beyond me. Plus he isn’t playing during that run regardless

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The latter but you're also doing that with the hope that it creates a snowball effect of sorts, taking the load off of Sabonis and Keegan and the impact that might have on Fox crossing into the next tier of stardom.

Otherwise what's the point?

Yeah, it's tough to pull the trigger sometimes. Maybe waiting for the ideal move to be a contender, but then not getting anything significant done to be a real playoff threat

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, we've just seen a lot of amazing college players, physically and skill wise, who for whatever reason didn't translate to the NBA. It's the why the draft has always been about a lot of luck, even with top picks.

Just have to see them play in the NBA a bit to form a realistic opinion

Most people thought we got a real one with Carter though. As opposed to the usual "LOLKANGZ" draft. I don't know when the last time a Kings draft was celebrated but it was probably Fox. And then you would have to hit the wayback beyond that.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Most people thought we got a real one with Carter though. As opposed to the usual "LOLKANGZ" draft. I don't know when the last time a Kings draft was celebrated but it was probably Fox. And then you would have to hit the wayback beyond that.

A certain segment celebrated the Bagley pick. I wasn't one of them, among others here

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, it's tough to pull the trigger sometimes. Maybe waiting for the ideal move to be a contender, but then not getting anything significant done to be a real playoff threat

I just want one big nasty guy on this team that can contribute at a high level.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I just want one big nasty guy on this team that can contribute at a high level.

That's why I prefer "a real 4", instead of another 3 who gets plugged into the 4 slot

 

[NewArena]

I remember the Kings being 18-24 before trading for Artest, lost his first two games then somehow ended the season with 44 wins. I wish there could be another move like that on the horizon but i don’t see it

 

[SacTownKid]

Sabonis was basically screening our guards in the pick in roll which lead to Dlo layups in the fourth. They got 3 offensive boards over DD and one over Keegan by AD the other by Rui how you think Carter is boxing Rui and AD put is beyond me. Plus he isn’t playing during that run regardless

And this is the critical thing. We know Brown goes all offense at the end of games. He has for 3 seasons now. Will that change if there's an option that suits both sides at once? Let see. Brown is obviously into players that can keep a live dribble and that makes total sense. The problem is, up until perhaps Carter the Kings have had to sacrifice one side of the floor for the other. Hopefully not now. We shall see.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

A certain segment celebrated the Bagley pick. I wasn't one of them, among others here

On one hand both seem to be highly regarded for raw athleticism, but while Bagley was strictly raw I do believe Carter is regarded to actually be really good at basketball and gets a lot of praise for the angles he plays and turning up on defense where his man wasn't expecting him whereas Bagley looks really good against some chairs.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

That's why I prefer "a real 4", instead of another 3 who gets plugged into the 4 slot

correct. that's what I'm after.