When Do We Blow It Up?
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The Kings are 3 games back in the loss column from the last playoff spot. No DeMar and with the Kings early season shooting struggles this team may have actually been at the bottom for real. He's really helped the Kings keep their head above water so I consider that a success with all that's gone on. No, it's not where they want to be, but as of now the Kings aren't doomed by any stretch. They need to start getting some consistency but I think the fact that the West is so tough skews things a tad. Time will tell. That said if this team is a 48 win percentage team, no backup on the wing is saving the day even if it did help. That means the stars on the team didn't get the job done.
Fox has already indicated his thinking is one dimensional. Wins are losses are all that matters. Marginal improvement in certain areas mean nothing if it doesn’t translate into wins. Ultimately that’s going to be the determining factor whether or not he stays. An improvement at the 3 position this year means nothing if we are still barely a play in team.
Monk might be a better facilitator and slightly better 3pt shooter, but Fox is a significantly better defender.
Also, Fox is drawing the best guard defender when he is out there, allowing Monk an easier matchup when they are together. Fox is also better at beating a guy off the dribble and getting in the paint.
Monk is a really good offensive player and spark, but Fox is a star. It would be a big downgrade going from Fox to Monk overall.
Also, Fox is drawing the best guard defender when he is out there, allowing Monk an easier matchup when they are together. Fox is also better at beating a guy off the dribble and getting in the paint.
Monk is a really good offensive player and spark, but Fox is a star. It would be a big downgrade going from Fox to Monk overall.
I disagree that Fox is a significantly better defender. He has always possessed the potential to be a great defender, but it just hasn't happened. He has a slightly better defensive rating, but also a slightly worse def raptor rating than Monk. If we are being honest both of them are below average defenders and both are always getting beat.
Anyway the point of my comment wasn't to say that I think Monk is a better player than Fox (I don't think that), but I think Monk is a good enough player that if we did move him to full time pg and put a defensive player next to him in the back court that I don't think we'd be a worse team. It might even be interesting to see how our offense opens up with a point guard who is more of shooting threat than Fox.
Anyway the point of my comment wasn't to say that I think Monk is a better player than Fox (I don't think that), but I think Monk is a good enough player that if we did move him to full time pg and put a defensive player next to him in the back court that I don't think we'd be a worse team. It might even be interesting to see how our offense opens up with a point guard who is more of shooting threat than Fox.
Swipa is also the superior scorer. It's no contest. As much as I love MM, and understand that he most definitely is capable of getting hot and posting some high scoring games -- he doesn't have near the same ability to create and get any shot he wants any time he wants. TBF, neither do a lot of NBA players. That's why they need screens set, among other things.
Swipa's speed, on the other hand, allows him to pretty much get anywhere on the court he wants most any time he wants and often w/o a lot of help (although he does get help here and there like all NBA players). Therein lies a big difference.
Their career scoring numbers and arcs tell that story.
Swipa's speed, on the other hand, allows him to pretty much get anywhere on the court he wants most any time he wants and often w/o a lot of help (although he does get help here and there like all NBA players). Therein lies a big difference.
Their career scoring numbers and arcs tell that story.
People can fool themselves into believing whatever they want. Especially those with certain anti-player tendencies.
Fox may not be an all-NBA defender, and like a lot of players might not be as consistent on that end as one would hope, but he is certainly a superior on-ball defender than Monk. And his length, quickness, and speed allow him to do things defensively than Monk cannot do nearly as well, if at all.
FWIW, #77 of the Mavericks is a poor defender (as are many other offensive stars), but I'll bet you and many others here would still love to have him on this team. So there's that.
Fox may not be an all-NBA defender, and like a lot of players might not be as consistent on that end as one would hope, but he is certainly a superior on-ball defender than Monk. And his length, quickness, and speed allow him to do things defensively than Monk cannot do nearly as well, if at all.
FWIW, #77 of the Mavericks is a poor defender (as are many other offensive stars), but I'll bet you and many others here would still love to have him on this team. So there's that.
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Monk is nowhere near the talent that Fox is. We've rarely seen dominant talent and when we do, it's clear what it looks like. Since Webber, Cousins and Fox are IT. Period. That said, lets see what Carter looks like because Monk and a greater combo of talent overall and in terms of fit might be interesting.
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Fox gets steals, but aside from that there really isn’t a metric (at least I’ve seen) that’s backs up him being an above average defender. Not that stats are needed. You can watch a game and see how often he gambles on steals when he doesn’t need to. How often he complains about calls on one end so we wind up playing 4 on 5. I don’t see much point in trying to argue that a below average defender is better than another below average defender.
My point, again, wasn’t to say Monk is better than Fox. I think that went over your head. If we got rid of Fox for nothing we’d obviously be a worse team. But if Fox did demand a trade and the haul we got back plugged some of the other holes on the team, I don’t think we’d be worse with those other players and Monk at pg. But Fox is the guy here and I doubt we trade him unless we absolutely had to so there’s that.
Fox gets steals, but aside from that there really isn’t a metric (at least I’ve seen) that’s backs up him being an above average defender. Not that stats are needed. You can watch a game and see how often he gambles on steals when he doesn’t need to. How often he complains about calls on one end so we wind up playing 4 on 5. I don’t see much point in trying to argue that a below average defender is better than another below average defender.
My point, again, wasn’t to say Monk is better than Fox. I think that went over your head. If we got rid of Fox for nothing we’d obviously be a worse team. But if Fox did demand a trade and the haul we got back plugged some of the other holes on the team, I don’t think we’d be worse with those other players and Monk at pg. But Fox is the guy here and I doubt we trade him unless we absolutely had to so there’s that.