King Deebo

#6
He is such a luxury to have in a game like tonight. Last year, this feels like one of those games where we get up big and probably still win but our lead gets whittled down to 10 or so in the 4th. Tonight, even if our offensive flow bogs down or we get a bit loose in our focus, we just keep feeding Deebo and he gets buckets. No need to always rely on fox or monk to create their own shots.
 
#11
He's a lesson in good basketball common sense and how playing to your strengths creates flow and confidence. He's not going to allow the analytics nerds to change a play style that is consistently proven for him.
"analytic nerds" yet he plays offense that's very favorable among the analytics community. He draws a ton of fouls, he doesn't turn the ball over, he's super efficient and he's a willing/effective playmaker. He doesn't shoot a ton of 3's, but if you have the right pieces around him, dude is an extremely good and effective offensive hub.
 
#12
It seems the rest of the roster takes note and starts shooting pull-up midrange jumpers at high clips, despite their poor shooting from deep.
Playing against lottery teams was our Achilles' heel last season. The last two games were different, that is how you handle lottery teams, Deebo makes them easy. What a relief, but we still need a solid length at the 4 for the ultimate prize.
 

funkykingston

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It seems the rest of the roster takes note and starts shooting pull-up midrange jumpers at high clips, despite their poor shooting from deep.
Playing against lottery teams was our Achilles' heel last season. The last two games were different, that is how you handle lottery teams, Deebo makes them easy. What a relief, but we still need a solid length at the 4 for the ultimate prize.
What does the starting lineup look like, if they trade for solid length at the 4? Is he likely coming off the bench?
 

funkykingston

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#20
What does the starting lineup look like, if they trade for solid length at the 4? Is he likely coming off the bench?
The only way to add length to the starting lineup (beyond a major shakeup trade that reshapes the team) would be to replace Huerter or Murray as starters.

I don't think the Kings have the assets to trade for a PF better than Keegan, and replacing Huerter would mean playing DeRozan at the 2 which he hasn't done for years and which I firmly believe would make him more of a liability on defense. And if the PF you bring in doesn't shoot from outside at a 38% or above clip, it also makes the existing spacing worse.

Again, barring a major trade, I think the Kings don't have a lot of flexibility with their starting 5. But the bench could defintely do with more scoring and length.
 
#21
The only way to add length to the starting lineup (beyond a major shakeup trade that reshapes the team) would be to replace Huerter or Murray as starters.

I don't think the Kings have the assets to trade for a PF better than Keegan, and replacing Huerter would mean playing DeRozan at the 2 which he hasn't done for years and which I firmly believe would make him more of a liability on defense. And if the PF you bring in doesn't shoot from outside at a 38% or above clip, it also makes the existing spacing worse.

Again, barring a major trade, I think the Kings don't have a lot of flexibility with their starting 5. But the bench could defintely do with more scoring and length.
I posted a theoretical deadline target of DFS AND Bobby Portis over in Personnel (if Monte decides to make a move or two) If he decides we have to move now while we have enough salary to match those could be somewhat realistic targets

Fox Monk
Deebo Keon Carter
Keegan Mcbuckets
DFS Portis
Sabonis Len
 
#22
The only way to add length to the starting lineup (beyond a major shakeup trade that reshapes the team) would be to replace Huerter or Murray as starters.

I don't think the Kings have the assets to trade for a PF better than Keegan, and replacing Huerter would mean playing DeRozan at the 2 which he hasn't done for years and which I firmly believe would make him more of a liability on defense. And if the PF you bring in doesn't shoot from outside at a 38% or above clip, it also makes the existing spacing worse.

Again, barring a major trade, I think the Kings don't have a lot of flexibility with their starting 5. But the bench could defintely do with more scoring and length.
Do you think the starting lineup is better defensively with Huerter... vs Derozan and Murray as your 2-3 + a new defensively capable 4 ?

Murray is flexible enough to guard 2's, if the matchup seems to be a problem
 
#23
The only way to add length to the starting lineup (beyond a major shakeup trade that reshapes the team) would be to replace Huerter or Murray as starters.

I don't think the Kings have the assets to trade for a PF better than Keegan, and replacing Huerter would mean playing DeRozan at the 2 which he hasn't done for years and which I firmly believe would make him more of a liability on defense. And if the PF you bring in doesn't shoot from outside at a 38% or above clip, it also makes the existing spacing worse.

Again, barring a major trade, I think the Kings don't have a lot of flexibility with their starting 5. But the bench could defintely do with more scoring and length.
The early returns on the starting 5 are incredibly promising. Of all 5 man units with at least 50 minutes this year, our group has the best DEF Rtg at 97.7 and the 2nd best Net Rtg at 24.0, only trailing Boston at 27.2. For reference, 3rd are the Rockets at 14.5 NET.

So I'm not sure why we'd want to change anything any time soon. Starters are dominating
 
#25
The early returns on the starting 5 are incredibly promising. Of all 5 man units with at least 50 minutes this year, our group has the best DEF Rtg at 97.7 and the 2nd best Net Rtg at 24.0, only trailing Boston at 27.2. For reference, 3rd are the Rockets at 14.5 NET.

So I'm not sure why we'd want to change anything any time soon. Starters are dominating
By the dead-line, they look to make a trade if they don't believe the current roster is a contender. A very similar position to what they were in after losing the first round series two seasons ago, after having a very good offensive regular season
 
#26
By the dead-line, they look to make a trade if they don't believe the current roster is a contender. A very similar position to what they were in after losing the first round series two seasons ago, after having a very good offensive regular season
I mean, our starting 5 has the best defensive 5 man unit in basketball right now. Very unlikely that holds, but shows we can be capable of playing great defense, even without Keon on the floor
 
#28
I mean, our starting 5 has the best defensive 5 man unit in basketball right now. Very unlikely that holds, but shows we can be capable of playing great defense, even without Keon on the floor
Way too early to decide for sure, but I don't see it working to become a contender, which is what I think they're aiming for, sooner rather than later
 

funkykingston

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#29
Not sure that would be the case. Derozan dominates 2's when they end up on him and Murray has advantages against 3's that he doesn't against 4's.
But if the PF you bring in can't also space the floor well in addition to defending, the spacing is much worse. It's very, very early on in the season, but DFS is currently shooting around 25% from three.
 
#30
But if the PF you bring in can't also space the floor well in addition to defending, the spacing is much worse. It's very, very early on in the season, but DFS is currently shooting around 25% from three.
Yeah, the new player has to be a good shooter. No doubt.

Trying to figure out how this team can become a contender, because right now they're a good team, but a long shot to make a deep playoff run.

They'll likely need to trade Huerter when he is playing well and trending up, while taking a chance on somebody who may not be currently at their peak.