Kings picking 13th overall (formerly the draft lotto thread)

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Capt. Factorial said:
It would be an interesting play. At any rate his advanced stats this year were outrageous and he did a lot better athletically at the combine (lane agility, shuttle run) than I expected. I can see why teams would get scared away top 5, but at 13, you get a huge guy who rebounds, fills up the paint on D, and has ridiculous gravity in the post, which will free up a ton of open threes. The problem for us is whether he'd be relegated to the bench permanently, or whether we could find a way to play him beside Domas. Domas at the 4 could work reasonably well on offense, but on D could be a disaster.
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D could also be a zone with a massive human shutting down the key. Teams would (maybe) have to start game planning for Edey lineups and non-Edey lineups. Plus, maybe cuts in half the amount of shots to Sabonis’ face.

I’m intrigued by Edey and wouldn’t hate it if the Kings drafted him (would rather have Edey than any of the short guards).
 
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I don’t hear much about George on this board. I enjoy his interviews and he certainly plays a position of need with good size. Thoughts on if he’s a good target at 13.
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He’s a good target. Reminds me of JDub. Still growing into his body and can make plays for others off the dribble. And he has deep range. I get people are worried about his foot-speed, but high IQ guys figure it out. A legit 3rd playmaker in our lineup would really open up the offense.

He’s going to get worked on D until he gets stronger. But this is typical rookie stuff. He would give the team much needed length on D and could be pretty good off-ball relatively soon in his development.

His stats are weird because he wasn’t starting at the beginning of the year. And he takes a lot of projecting, athletically. But I think he is the type of swing that the Kings should take.
 
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midtowner said:
He’s a good target. Reminds me of JDub. Still growing into his body and can make plays for others off the dribble. And he has deep range. I get people are worried about his foot-speed, but high IQ guys figure it out. A legit 3rd playmaker in our lineup would really open up the offense.

He’s going to get worked on D until he gets stronger. But this is typical rookie stuff. He would give the team much needed length on D and could be pretty good off-ball relatively soon in his development.

His stats are weird because he wasn’t starting at the beginning of the year. And he takes a lot of projecting, athletically. But I think he is the type of swing that the Kings should take.
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Okay so any comparison to JDub pretty much ended when you got to the high IQ thing...
 
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I’m having a hard time getting invested in anyone here, because I’m certain a move has to happen.

I haven’t the slightest idea what direction the move is, but I can’t foresee us just picking at 13 business as usual. Because it shouldn’t be.
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If the reports of whom the Kings have interviewed are correct, they may be moving up in the draft, which would make the whole process a lot more interesting. I speculate that the front office has now focused on one or two players, and are working to see how they can make that happen. And it may not happen until draft night.

Calling Kevin Costner!
 
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Caccia said:
If the reports of whom the Kings have interviewed are correct, they may be moving up in the draft, which would make the whole process a lot more interesting. I speculate that the front office has now focused on one or two players, and are working to see how they can make that happen. And it may not happen until draft night.

Calling Kevin Costner!
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That or they are preparing to take BPA when someone falls. That's been Monte's MO.
 
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SLAB said:
I’m having a hard time getting invested in anyone here, because I’m certain a move has to happen.

I haven’t the slightest idea what direction the move is, but I can’t foresee us just picking at 13 business as usual. Because it shouldn’t be.
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It most definitely should be — if a right “move” doesn’t present itself, or otherwise just can’t be made happen.

Among the worst things a GM/franchise can do is make a move for the sake of making a move.

Why some foolishly believe that viable moves can just be made to happen or “willed” into existence escapes me.

While I realize that the instant gratification itch isn’t satisfied by remaining patient, it often is the most prudent course of action until a real opportunity presents itself.

I mean, what’s the worst that can happen by remaining patient, standing pat and drafting at 13? We have a team that’s still a playoff contending team (when healthy) which is far, far, far better than the 16 seasons prior to 22-23.

They would have made the postseason this season had Monk not went down for the season. And if he comes back, they’ll be a playoff team next season. Sign me up for that over effing things up and potentially going backwards into lottery oblivion.

Improvement via player acquisition isn’t always an option. So the next goal should be to maintain the level you’re at and not take steps backward.
 
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nbadraft.net latest update sure is a head scratcher. Has the Kings selecting Topic at 13, first i’ve seen him that low, and they sure seem big on Shannon.
Meanwhile they have Carter at 20, Salaun at 15, and da Silva at 27. I don’t think so, but it makes me wonder what they base their predictions on, and what mock draft writers are actually worth considering.
 
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jiimbob said:
nbadraft.net latest update sure is a head scratcher. Has the Kings selecting Topic at 13, first i’ve seen him that low, and they sure seem big on Shannon.
Meanwhile they have Carter at 20, Salaun at 15, and da Silva at 27. I don’t think so, but it makes me wonder what they base their predictions on, and what mock draft writers are actually worth considering.
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I don't really like the nbadraft.net mock most years, especially early in the season. They're good for identifying outliers - if they've got one guy way higher than other sites then it's usually worth it to check him out if I haven't already.

In general I try to restrict my take-aways from mock drafts to general ranges rather than think they have any accuracy in predicting actual events. Usually that keeps most pick on draft night from being too big of a surprise, but obviously there are exceptions.
 
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I don't really like the nbadraft.net mock most years, especially early in the season. They're good for identifying outliers - if they've got one guy way higher than other sites then it's usually worth it to check him out if I haven't already.

In general I try to restrict my take-aways from mock drafts to general ranges rather than think they have any accuracy in predicting actual events. Usually that keeps most pick on draft night from being too big of a surprise, but obviously there are exceptions.
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Where does Cash Considerations rank?
 
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BARNES THE FIRST AND FOUR FUTURE FIRSTS FOR KUZMA!!!

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Making competent trades is above my pay grade. But I darn sure know we need them, and I’m going to trust something big is coming after last season. These new rumors just confirm what we all already know about this team. I’m excited. Hopefully it works. But even if it doesn’t I’m going to be happier taking the swing than just sitting back again. Complacency isn’t getting us anywhere.
 
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The_Jamal said:
Potentially good news. As long as it's not Kuzma/lavine
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Monte targets Kuzma. He’s in the right age range to peak during the next couple of years, a proven scorer, decent defender and his contract declines in value and at a reasonable price.

He also seems to be someone that the Kings wouldn’t need to give up a ransom of picks/players to get. Plus Monte has been linked to Kuzma rumors for a while. And Monte has proven to be persistent when he targets a player.

He’s not my favorite trade target but he seems to be one of the more realistic players Monte may target and actually be able to get.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Monte targets Kuzma. He’s in the right age range to peak during the next couple of years, a proven scorer, decent defender and his contract declines in value and at a reasonable price.

He also seems to be someone that the Kings wouldn’t need to give up a ransom of picks/players to get. Plus Monte has been linked to Kuzma rumors for a while. And Monte has been proven to be persistent when he targets a player.

He’s not my favorite trade target but he seems to be one of the more realistic players Monte may target and actually be able to get.
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He's also not a guy that moves the needle and packaging up guys like Barnes or Huerter plus Mitchell and a draft pick is a lateral move at best IMO.
 
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With as much as teams seem to hate this year's draft, I can't imagine adding the #13 pick into any trade would return much value. Reports are half the teams in the lottery are shopping their picks as well and by simple math, most of those picks are higher than ours. So if there is someone on the board that a particular team really wants enough to trade up, there will likely be better opportunities to get them.

I also think there's at least 13 players in this draft whose player profile (which positions and roles they fit into) and potential wins added over the 4 years of their rookie contract exceed what we can expect to get in a trade or even in free agency this year. So unless something completely off the wall becomes available -- a hypothetical player who is relatively healthy, a perfect fit, and not obscenely expensive -- my preference would be to keep the pick or even trade up slightly and target a high-ceiling player who fits our current core.
 
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IMHO, I think Kuzma would be an upgrade to HB in the starting lineup.

He would provide a proven 20ppg scorer to help take the heat off of Fox having to get 30 pts on most nights for the Kings to get a win.
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He's a 20 ppg scorer, but he's not a good 20 ppg scorer. He's just been flat out bad the last few years. He made the Wizards worse, which is pretty hard to do

The gamble with him is could you dial him back to where he becomes our Aaron Gordon? He was excellent for the Lakers as a role player, but is he willing to do that again? Same idea with Grant
 
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funkykingston said:
He's also not a guy that moves the needle and packaging up guys like Barnes or Huerter plus Mitchell and a draft pick is a lateral move at best IMO.
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Huerter, Barnes, and 13 for Grant is a much better option IMO. Maybe even take out Barnes or Huerter and fill in the gaps with dead salary like Duarte and maybe get something out of Davion before he falls back in the rotation again possibly. I don't recall who it was who brought the Grant/Thybulle option up but a Huerter, Barnes, Davion, Duarte, and 13 for Grant and Thybulle would be a pretty sweet move that would leave the Kings very balanced.
 
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IMHO, I think Kuzma would be an upgrade to HB in the starting lineup.

He would provide a proven 20ppg scorer to help take the heat off of Fox having to get 30 pts on most nights for the Kings to get a win.
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I’m not opposed to Kuzma like some here, and i’m getting the idea he won’t cost the farm. If he’s Monte’s man I also want to see more defensive chops out there.
If Monk doesn’t return I definitely want Carter the pick, assuming we keep it, to along with Ellis make us a shut the opposition down backcourt, that should help balance things out.
 
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The_Jamal said:
He's a 20 ppg scorer, but he's not a good 20 ppg scorer. He's just been flat out bad the last few years. He made the Wizards worse, which is pretty hard to do

The gamble with him is could you dial him back to where he becomes our Aaron Gordon? He was excellent for the Lakers as a role player, but is he willing to do that again? Same idea with Grant
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I think Grant can do more with the ball which would potentially help him not be forced to revert to role guy status. Kuz is more of an in the flow, pull up and launch type. His dribbling in the open floor is pretty good, once he tries to navigate in tight space it can get wild. Grant has really good handles free throw line in and can make the defense shift to him much more effectively while controlling his dribble.
 
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Huerter, Barnes, and 13 for Grant is a much better option IMO. Maybe even take out Barnes or Huerter and fill in the gaps with dead salary like Duarte and maybe get something out of Davion before he falls back in the rotation again possibly. I don't recall who it was who brought the Grant/Thybulle option up but a Huerter, Barnes, Davion, Duarte, and 13 for Grant and Thybulle would be a pretty sweet move that would leave the Kings very balanced.
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Woof man. I'd be livid at hb huerter and 13 for Grant. That's a Vlade-esq move.
 
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Woof man. I'd be livid at hb huerter and 13 for Grant. That's a Vlade-esq move.
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Well, bring back Huerter and Barnes, stay where you are while watching both continue their decline in the rotation and how would you feel then? haha. If Monte is looking at 13 AND future picks, my guess is Grant and Kuz types are farther down the list or it's a bigger deal.

This play against our very own Kings is why Grant would be a terrific option needs wise and why he'd be a much better option than an off the catch reliant player like Kuzma. The Kings have nobody with this kind of size and ability to power through the defense like this. The only player that can reliably work with a player locked to the hip like that is Fox and to some extent Barnes.

 
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