[Game] Kings @ Chicago Bulls, 2/3/2024, 5:00p PT/8:00p ET
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I really like Jordy and think he’s going to get his opportunity to be a head coach this next coaching hiring process BUT
What was that line some coach said once upon a time? You move over 2 feet into that head coaches chair and things get a whole lot hotter. Mike Brown is going to be a potential hall of fame coach possibly. What he has put into place with this team has been nothing short of spectacular. And to be a keyboard coach watching our teams games, it’s incredibly easy to say any coach should have done this or that. The reality is our team has flaws. It’s also got more strengths than flaws I think. But at times, the shooting goes cold. The defense breaks down because, NBA players are really good. Sometimes our bench doesn’t show up. We had Huerter and HB disappear for long chunks of this season. Mentally, our FT shooting has suffered, even for guys like Monk. Yet, we are 29-19.
I think Mike Brown has been masterful this season. Name me a coach that is always spot on with every decision in game. There isn’t one. The head coach is going to get criticized for good decisions that don’t work because the players couldn’t execute the plan. There is NO right way to stop another teams hot streak of play. Sometimes the decision works in one game and then doesn’t in another.
I’d advise some people to enjoy this season more. Stop looking for negative things and enjoy the process and the winning.
What was that line some coach said once upon a time? You move over 2 feet into that head coaches chair and things get a whole lot hotter. Mike Brown is going to be a potential hall of fame coach possibly. What he has put into place with this team has been nothing short of spectacular. And to be a keyboard coach watching our teams games, it’s incredibly easy to say any coach should have done this or that. The reality is our team has flaws. It’s also got more strengths than flaws I think. But at times, the shooting goes cold. The defense breaks down because, NBA players are really good. Sometimes our bench doesn’t show up. We had Huerter and HB disappear for long chunks of this season. Mentally, our FT shooting has suffered, even for guys like Monk. Yet, we are 29-19.
I think Mike Brown has been masterful this season. Name me a coach that is always spot on with every decision in game. There isn’t one. The head coach is going to get criticized for good decisions that don’t work because the players couldn’t execute the plan. There is NO right way to stop another teams hot streak of play. Sometimes the decision works in one game and then doesn’t in another.
I’d advise some people to enjoy this season more. Stop looking for negative things and enjoy the process and the winning.
The coaches are looking at replays on their tablets not making a decision based on live action. That’s why he is looking back at his bench before he signals challenge. If I remember right Luke is the one looking at the replay.
He has occasionally made an emotional decision out of frustration and has admitted to doing so. That can be cleaned up.
He has occasionally made an emotional decision out of frustration and has admitted to doing so. That can be cleaned up.
I think against Indiana the Pacers tried to delay the game in order to look better at a replay to see if they could challenge a call and they got a technical foul for that. Against the Bulls at first it seemed that Donovan didn't want to challenge (maybe to save the challenge) but due to the chaos with the substitution there was this delay, the replay was shown in the jumbotron and the whole stadium (apart from the 500 Bulgarians most probably) urged him to take the challenge. Ironically with Kings in previous matches there were several times that our staff couldn't decide on time to take the challenge and missed their chance to do so since the match was resumed.
Still those failed challenges hurt us in many ways, not being able to take a challenge in a crucial call at the end plus losing a time out that would be useful at the final seconds. I think last season there were more successful ones, the current season it's quite the opposite. Barbosa used to be next to Luke with the tablets last season checking the replays, no idea if there is someone else now.
Still those failed challenges hurt us in many ways, not being able to take a challenge in a crucial call at the end plus losing a time out that would be useful at the final seconds. I think last season there were more successful ones, the current season it's quite the opposite. Barbosa used to be next to Luke with the tablets last season checking the replays, no idea if there is someone else now.
oh jesus christ. "NBA caliber frame rate". LOL
You don't challenge based on what you see live. Unless it's just beyond blatant. In every sport, it's their bench looking at replays, or it's the booth in football sending it down to the HC.
I'd be stunned if any HC makes a majority of their challenges based on what they see live.
You don't challenge based on what you see live. Unless it's just beyond blatant. In every sport, it's their bench looking at replays, or it's the booth in football sending it down to the HC.
I'd be stunned if any HC makes a majority of their challenges based on what they see live.
Kessler's defense is widely accepted on this board as A level. If you want proof I called that literally on the first possession he played for us I could go back and find that post. I don't know, some people here may remember it. You seem really argumentative though and I'm not in the mood. Have a great Sunday my friend.
I know the same thing about Jordy being a great in-game coach. I'll wait for you to catch up with me rather than battling with you. Until then feel free to snipe at me. More receipts for later when Jordy gets hired as a head coach and beats the Kings head to head because he managed the last five minutes of the game better.
I know the same thing about Jordy being a great in-game coach. I'll wait for you to catch up with me rather than battling with you. Until then feel free to snipe at me. More receipts for later when Jordy gets hired as a head coach and beats the Kings head to head because he managed the last five minutes of the game better.
I'd really appreciate it if people could read. Would be nice.
What I said was that if Jordy or a coach like him was available, I would consider it.
Do you understand the difference between someone saying they would consider something, and that it should happen? Hope that helps. Sorry for the short tone but I don't have much patience today for some reason.
What I said was that if Jordy or a coach like him was available, I would consider it.
Do you understand the difference between someone saying they would consider something, and that it should happen? Hope that helps. Sorry for the short tone but I don't have much patience today for some reason.
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Why should they consider it? It's the same argument?
Brown has done absolutely nothing to warrant considering a coaching change. It's nonsensical. Also:
I can't read, but "I want Fernandez replacing Brown right now" is probably different from "considering" Jordy replacing him. Could just be me though
Brown has done absolutely nothing to warrant considering a coaching change. It's nonsensical. Also:
I can't read, but "I want Fernandez replacing Brown right now" is probably different from "considering" Jordy replacing him. Could just be me though
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Why people think that dude is gonna move the needle astounds me.
Even if one was to buy into the notion that Caruso is some poor man’s version of Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen or Kawhi Leonard in their primes — there’s a trade off. The dude is mediocre in pretty much every other aspect of the game, if that. A career single digit average scorer, despite owning a decent 3pt percentage.
The vast majority of fans of this site simply covet what the team doesn’t have until they have it. Then they complain about that players shortcomings.
Reading this site would have the uninformed believing the likes of Kyle Kuzma and Alex Caruso are the missing links while ignoring the fact that they haven’t been the missing links on their current teams, both of which are sub.500 teams with one being absolutely dreadful. But somehow one of those players is somehow gonna make a difference on this team (more so than the players they’d need to trade to get them)?
Caruso is a career journeyman. Nothing more, nothing less. Talk about setting a low bar.
I’m sure someone inevitably point to some “advanced statistics” or the fact that Caruso was a bench scrub on the Lakers manufactured “bubble” championship team in 2020 as some sort of evidence that I’m wrong about him. More power to them.
The point is, as soon as this franchise changes focus and loads up on the Alex Caruso types to fill out their roster, these same KINGS fans will be coveting the types of players the team once had. It’ll be “we play good defense, but can’t score consistently and don’t have a “go to” clutch time player“. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Set your sights higher than Alex Caruso, people! This team is better off remaining status quo.
Last I checked they’ve been a top 3-5 team in the West with what they’ve currently got. Why eff with that to add a marginal at best player? Makes no sense.
Even if one was to buy into the notion that Caruso is some poor man’s version of Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen or Kawhi Leonard in their primes — there’s a trade off. The dude is mediocre in pretty much every other aspect of the game, if that. A career single digit average scorer, despite owning a decent 3pt percentage.
The vast majority of fans of this site simply covet what the team doesn’t have until they have it. Then they complain about that players shortcomings.
Reading this site would have the uninformed believing the likes of Kyle Kuzma and Alex Caruso are the missing links while ignoring the fact that they haven’t been the missing links on their current teams, both of which are sub.500 teams with one being absolutely dreadful. But somehow one of those players is somehow gonna make a difference on this team (more so than the players they’d need to trade to get them)?
Caruso is a career journeyman. Nothing more, nothing less. Talk about setting a low bar.
I’m sure someone inevitably point to some “advanced statistics” or the fact that Caruso was a bench scrub on the Lakers manufactured “bubble” championship team in 2020 as some sort of evidence that I’m wrong about him. More power to them.
The point is, as soon as this franchise changes focus and loads up on the Alex Caruso types to fill out their roster, these same KINGS fans will be coveting the types of players the team once had. It’ll be “we play good defense, but can’t score consistently and don’t have a “go to” clutch time player“. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Set your sights higher than Alex Caruso, people! This team is better off remaining status quo.
Last I checked they’ve been a top 3-5 team in the West with what they’ve currently got. Why eff with that to add a marginal at best player? Makes no sense.
Clear limitations in Brown's abilities are showing up.
You're having a really hard time with this because you seem to be caught up in emotion. "Might as well make him ours" is not "I want Fernandez replacing Brown right now". And it was even sort of an off hand comment after being impressed with his in-game management. I hadn't even really considered it. But in subsequent weeks, I have watched Brown more closely, particularly with substitutions, game management, and the like. These are clear deficiencies of his. It goes beyond the challenge thing.
Regardless - you are arguing semantics. Even if you read from my comment three weeks ago that I definitely absolutely 100% want Jordy to replace Brown this week - my more recent statement is my actual position now. But you don't want to argue against my current position. You seem to be much more less interested in a discussion and more interested in some kind of gotcha thing. We'll find out if you win after your case works it's way through the Word Courts - but you may have won a trial at least. Congratulations.
You're having a really hard time with this because you seem to be caught up in emotion. "Might as well make him ours" is not "I want Fernandez replacing Brown right now". And it was even sort of an off hand comment after being impressed with his in-game management. I hadn't even really considered it. But in subsequent weeks, I have watched Brown more closely, particularly with substitutions, game management, and the like. These are clear deficiencies of his. It goes beyond the challenge thing.
Regardless - you are arguing semantics. Even if you read from my comment three weeks ago that I definitely absolutely 100% want Jordy to replace Brown this week - my more recent statement is my actual position now. But you don't want to argue against my current position. You seem to be much more less interested in a discussion and more interested in some kind of gotcha thing. We'll find out if you win after your case works it's way through the Word Courts - but you may have won a trial at least. Congratulations.
depending on laptops is kind of my point.
I only say this because I am super aware of it. My frame rate is extremely slow. So slow I can’t make out the flashing warning light. Meanwhile my wife and kids are extremely fast. So fast they perform at the NCAA D1 and Olympic level.
All the time I hear my wife say did you see that which I literally can’t see until replay.
I only say this because I am super aware of it. My frame rate is extremely slow. So slow I can’t make out the flashing warning light. Meanwhile my wife and kids are extremely fast. So fast they perform at the NCAA D1 and Olympic level.
All the time I hear my wife say did you see that which I literally can’t see until replay.
Nice try. I'm not the emotional one, you're the guy who can't seem to qualify his position and gets upset when you get called out on it.
I already argued your current position. It's bad. We're 77-53 with Brown at the helm with virtually every core player (Domas/Fox/Lyles/Huerter/Monk/could argue HB) playing the best basketball of their career under him over the course of the last season and a half. Domas and Fox have exploded into All-NBA talents under Brown. Keegan is well on his way to being a 2-way star with him under Brown.
I already stated a few major issues I have with Brown. Mainly his use of Javale and his lack of interest in being fluid with lineup positions. Like Lyles at the 5, moving Huerter down to the 3, etc. But I also don't lose sight of the big picture, which you absolutely are doing, and in the context of the Kings history as a franchise, we have not had a HC close to this good since Adelman. We haven't sniffed this level of success since Adelman. So I'm not going to griping and complaining about coach that's lead us to this point. Even if there are complaints I do have about him.
I already argued your current position. It's bad. We're 77-53 with Brown at the helm with virtually every core player (Domas/Fox/Lyles/Huerter/Monk/could argue HB) playing the best basketball of their career under him over the course of the last season and a half. Domas and Fox have exploded into All-NBA talents under Brown. Keegan is well on his way to being a 2-way star with him under Brown.
I already stated a few major issues I have with Brown. Mainly his use of Javale and his lack of interest in being fluid with lineup positions. Like Lyles at the 5, moving Huerter down to the 3, etc. But I also don't lose sight of the big picture, which you absolutely are doing, and in the context of the Kings history as a franchise, we have not had a HC close to this good since Adelman. We haven't sniffed this level of success since Adelman. So I'm not going to griping and complaining about coach that's lead us to this point. Even if there are complaints I do have about him.
I see what you are saying but I doubt that coaches in the nba make the decision based on live action unless the play is right in front of them. They are too far away with a bunch of tall humans in the way. Even in the replay, the refs look at the play from several angles sometimes multiple times before making a decision.
I get that the Kings nearly squandered a big lead yesterday, but the vibe and comments in the last few pages of this thread make it sound like the Kings are riding a losing streak instead of back to back road wins and 6-1 over their last seven games.
Expectations are higher this season. And justifiably so. But the Kings are still a fun and winning team. I want them to be better too, but it's important to not lose sight of the fact that we've all been desperate to just have a playoff team for eons and now we have one.
Expectations are higher this season. And justifiably so. But the Kings are still a fun and winning team. I want them to be better too, but it's important to not lose sight of the fact that we've all been desperate to just have a playoff team for eons and now we have one.
I love Brown and glad he is our coach. Only thing I get annoyed with is his use of Javelle over Len, and things like watching Edwards make an impact one game and then not seeing him for a month although he did play for 1 min last night lol. . For a coach that preaches defense you would think he would play Len and Edwards more, but I digress lol
We can talk all we want about Brown's "X's and O's" but the bottom line is the biggest impact he's had is a major culture change, making the team believe in themselves, sticking together, etc. He's also greatly impacted the careers of Fox and and Sabonis, making them top 20 type players. Just compare his composure, charisma, professionalism, etc. with that of Puke Walton. Once you think long and hard about those disgusting years, you'll appreciate Coach Brown even more.
You took a lukewarm offhand comment from two weeks ago as a definitive position statement in a serious debate which you resurrected based on a different expressed position two weeks later (yesterday) - which you ignored, and claimed I actually believed the former offhand comment. Even when I told you the latter comment was my actual current position - you ignored it. I can't debate something with you if you are not going to grant me my actual position. Good day sir.
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You are making huge assumptions about Jordi's coaching ability based on a very small sample size. Now, I also believe he will be a good coach. However, I would never be sure of that until he actually does it for a period of at least a couple years. For instance, Luke Walton looked like he would be a great head coach based on his in game coaching when he filled in for Kerr. That didn't turn out to be correct.
Semantics aside, we currently have a head coach who was unanimously voted the Coach of the Year last year after helping the Kings to break the longest streak in NBA history of missing the playoffs. That was last season. This guy should already have a statue in front of the arena if you ask me. Of course he's not perfect, nobody is. He's still got us playing winning basketball. Our franchise guys are playing the best ball of their careers. Our top 5 pick All-Rookie selection forward is showing massive growth in all aspects of his game. It may not look like it, but this squad is also playing the best defense of any Sacramento Kings squad since 2006. What is there to complain about?
I agree I'm making huge assumptions about Jordy. I also made huge assumptions about Kessler based on literally 30 seconds of footage. Turns out I was right.
I also agree Brown is a great coach and has done great things for our culture. Btw I'm not the only one that thinks Fernandez is ready for a head coaching gig. Coach Brown does too lol. There's a clip out there somewhere.
Fernandez is clearly a top ten assistant candidate to get hired into a top gig.
I also agree Brown is a great coach and has done great things for our culture. Btw I'm not the only one that thinks Fernandez is ready for a head coaching gig. Coach Brown does too lol. There's a clip out there somewhere.
Fernandez is clearly a top ten assistant candidate to get hired into a top gig.
Excellent road trip regardless of what happens against the Cavaliers. I liked what I saw against Chicago. I'm paying more attention to the defensive energy I see from Fox than anything else and the last two games is the type of energy I want to see from him. Next in priority is development of Murray. He's going through a mini rough patch on offense, but overall I like what I'm seeing. Then I look at Heurter and how he is progressing on defense, and he's made improvement in his defense and his rebounding. Last, but not least, it's a winning road trip we can already put in the books, and that's nothing but good in the NBA.
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