[Game] Kings vs. Atlanta Hawks, 1/22/2024, 7:00p PST/10:00p EST

[ShastaKingsFan]

HB has 11 FGA before the half.

He's surpassed that mark ONCE in the last 28 games.

What is happening?

The coaching staff implored him to get aggressive and shoot the ball? Should have happened two months ago

 

[kingsboi]

as bad as the Hawks have been shooting, to be down 17 instead of 25 or 30 in this era of hoops is much more manageable

 

[iowamcnabb]

Well good first half but if they take the lid of Atlanta’s hoop they can crawl back in.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

They're going to have to change Barnes' nickname from Black Falcon to the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Kingz19]

Not really a good performance. Feel it should be a much larger lead considering Hawks shot 24 percent.


It’s an HB episode. Not much exciting happening anywhere else. Fox and Domas combined for 6 points. The bench played well. Davion and Javale some nice minutes. Monk 6 assists

 

[SacTownKid]

My guess is the same team Barnes is being showcased for, maybe Huerter too.

Yeah, that's the package, all 3. It's out there, everyone knows it.

 

[hrdboild]

They're going to have to change Barnes' nickname from Black Falcon to the Spanish Inquisition.

Took me a minute.

 

[SacTownKid]

That’s the nature of fifth options. Go check DFS recent game log. Lots of 0s and 3s there.

And yet another one time Dallas diamond that topped out and they turned on when his defense wasn't enough.

 

[ick300]

Suns will make another big turnover in the 4th ...
were down by 23 ... looks like their magical number is 22/23...

 

[The_Jamal]

That’s the nature of fifth options. Go check DFS recent game log. Lots of 0s and 3s there.

Yeah, but DFS is a totally different archetype than HB. If DFS doesn't take a shot, he's still impacting the game. The sole reason HB is on the floor is because of his shooting and scoring.

HB taking 3 shots isn't "not running plays for him and getting frozen out". It's him not demanding the ball enough and impacting the game the best way he can.

Obviously, I'm not expecting 7/12 for 19 points in a half, every game, but he has to be "selfish" enough to know why the hell he's on the floor. He's had several possessions here in the 2nd quarter where he just bullied his way to the rim for a shot attempt. Go do that, get to the FT line.

Also, also, this half might be another GREAT reason to move him to the bench unit, where he can be a lead option with Monk. Split up his USG with the starters, etc and give him the same freedom that Monk has to just pull without hesitation.

 

[Woot!]

12 FGA in the first half. He's had 13 once and 16 once (game 1) this season.

If this is "showcasing," my gawd it's annoying. How about "showcasing" him now and again all along to help THIS team win?

 

[SacTownKid]

Not really a good performance. Feel it should be a much larger lead considering Hawks shot 24 percent.


It’s an HB episode. Not much exciting happening anywhere else. Fox and Domas combined for 6 points. The bench played well. Davion and Javale some nice minutes. Monk 6 assists

Kings are up but man, those free throws should have been a little more even than that too.

 

[Woot!]

It's not really on the team to force feed a dude who refuses to stay aggressive shots.

The heck it ain't. Why not? You're gonna get worse results? He's gonna say no?

 

[Telemachus]

It never ceases to amaze me how every team we play magically commits almost no fouls.

 

[hrdboild]

Suns will make another big turnover in the 4th ...
were down by 23 ... looks like their magical number is 22/23...

The good news / bad news with that Phoenix big three in a nutshell... No lead is safe against them, even in half a quarter. But why are they getting into these huge holes in the first place?

 

[kingsboi]

Yeah, that's the package, all 3. It's out there, everyone knows it.

based on the look on Barnes' face after making the shot before halftime, he knows all too well too

 

[Capt. Factorial]

They're going to have to change Barnes' nickname from Black Falcon to the Spanish Inquisition.

Cardinal Fang needn't bother - I'm already in the comfy chair.

 

[coolhandluke]

Good thing Fox rated on a pro boxer scale for hand eye reaction timing otherwise he's got a crushed orbital socket via a knee, yikes! That was close.

Fox with poor spatial awareness. He is down and ball watching? Could have been a bad injury.

He is playing through injury and not processing things as usual. He should be resting.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Yeah, but DFS is a totally different archetype than HB. If DFS doesn't take a shot, he's still impacting the game. The sole reason HB is on the floor is because of his shooting and scoring.

HB taking 3 shots isn't "not running plays for him and getting frozen out". It's him not demanding the ball enough and impacting the game the best way he can.

Obviously, I'm not expecting 7/12 for 19 points in a half, every game, but he has to be "selfish" enough to know why the hell he's on the floor. He's had several possessions here in the 2nd quarter where he just bullied his way to the rim for a shot attempt. Go do that, get to the FT line.

Also, also, this half might be another GREAT reason to move him to the bench unit, where he can be a lead option with Monk. Split up his USG with the starters, etc.

either they are showcasing him or Mike decided to get back to what worked last year and that is getting HB to take more shots particularly ones that will draw fouls. The lack of getting to the line is basically the difference from this year in compared to last.

 

[SacTownKid]

The good news / bad news with that Phoenix big three in a nutshell... No lead is safe against them, even in half a quarter. So why are they getting into these huge holes in the first place?

Because they're old and confident enough to climb back out whenever they want.

 

[Telemachus]

Fox with poor spatial awareness. He is down and ball watching? Could have been a bad injury.

He is playing through injury and not processing things as usual. He should be resting.

Wait. So Fox falls down and it's his fault that Bogi didn't look where he was going?

 

[Woot!]

The coaching staff implored him to get aggressive and shoot the ball? Should have happened two months ago

I'm soooo very curious about what's been/being said behind the scenes. How much of this is HB's initiative?

 

[Joshoua]

HB has 11 FGA before the half.

He's surpassed that mark ONCE in the last 28 games.

What is happening?

https://x.com/deswtf/status/1749644952332886291?s=46&t=XHl6MkQyOm3Zbk1mBBrooA

 

[The_Jamal]

The heck it ain't. Why not? You're gonna get worse results? He's gonna say no?

HB isn't some rookie kid that needs to be spoon fed how to play. Dude knows how to play and he has the good-will built up with this team and Brown that he'll have a leash to go be aggressive if he wants to. We pass the ball more than anyone in the NBA (or at least we did, not sure if that still holds up), with 2 of the more unselfish stars in basketball. If there ever was a team for a role player to have the room to be selfish and stay involved in the offense, it's this one. Hell, that's how we had 7 30 point scorers last year.

Again, that's what makes this game frustrating. It's not like we're just running sets for him out there. He's getting the ball and going and making things happen. Hitting his C&S shots. Actually going and being physical by collapsing the paint for rim attacks. If he's still capable of this. WHY THE HELL DOES HE EVER END A GAME WITH 3 POINTS????

 

[SacTownKid]

either they are showcasing him or Mike decided to get back to what worked last year and that is getting HB to take more shots particularly ones that will draw fouls. The lack of getting to the line is basically the difference from this year in compared to last.

Monte just got turned down on his two main targets with this package of guys on the line. Lets do the math, haha. It could also be, hey, I can't trade them, work them in and make it work. Who knows. Considering it's just around deadline flash sale time though, yeah....

 

[hrdboild]

Because they're old and confident enough to climb back out whenever they want.

In other words, they lazy. It seems to be working for them though so I can be charitable and instead say they're conserving energy.

 

[hrdboild]

Wait. So Fox falls down and it's his fault that Bogi didn't look where he was going?

Does it say Kings on his jersey? Then yes. Always his fault, and twice on Sundays.

 

[SacTownKid]

In other words, they lazy. It seems to be working for them though so I can be charitable and instead say they're conserving energy.

Well, yeah, but remember that Lakers dynasty? How often you think Shaq was hitting the gym towards the end there? lol.

 

[Jkbiker]

Fox and Ox 6 pts at half HB with 19
What is this Bizzaro World?

 

[Woot!]

HB isn't some rookie kid that needs to be spoon fed how to play. Dude knows how to play and he has the good-will built up with this team and Brown that he'll have a leash to go be aggressive if he wants to. We pass the ball more than anyone in the NBA (or at least we did, not sure if that still holds up), with 2 of the more unselfish stars in basketball. If there ever was a team for a role player to have the room to be selfish and stay involved in the offense, it's this one. Hell, that's how we had 7 30 point scorers last year.

Again, that's what makes this game frustrating. It's not like we're just running sets for him out there. He's getting the ball and going and making things happen. Hitting his C&S shots. Actually going and being physical by collapsing the paint for rim attacks. If he's still capable of this. WHY THE HELL DOES HE EVER END A GAME WITH 3 POINTS????

Yes, HB has the latitude to do much more of this w/this team. Not the point. We all agree he's WAAAAY too damn passive much of the time. That's a given. The question is, given that, SHOULD the team spoon-feed him to try to get him going? Yes. Of course it should. Why have we heard Brown say repeatedly that they never run a play for HB? They shouldn't have to, but given how often he's been a big ZERO out there they damn well should. Again, what's the downside?