Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

The Effort Police

The Effort Police

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SacTownKid said:
There could be issues there but it's for a bunch of reasons and don't forget they won a ring. Largely because of that Kawhi deal but still, the Kings can't knock them for not winning. People used the same excuse about Fox back in the day. Talents talent and that talent has to fit and work together at some point. Right now the Raptors have a young stud in Barnes who needs a team built around him just like Fox all the while some of their main stars are beginning to fall off the books. Hopefully losing Van Vleet for nothing gets the Raptors FO off their hands because not only are they either overpaying for mediocre results or watching it walk but they're wasting their best young player. Just like the Kings did with Fox for years.

With LaVine I don't get the Monk vs. LaVine thing. Fox, Monk, and LaVine as your main 3 guard rotation is a lot of talent. Historically LaVine is at a different level than Malik has ever been in terms of efficiency in a go to role. Now, contract year Malik is starting to shine but then it's a question about level of sustainability.
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OG was an afterthought for that ring, injured in the playoffs and irrelevant in the regular season. I like the guy (and wanted to pick him 15 in 2017), but it rankles me a little when I see these reports coming out calling him a star.

Siakam yes, was indeed very important. But his fit with Sabonis is questionable, and so is his advancing age where I'm not sure his game ages all that well.
 
pdxKingsFan

pdxKingsFan

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Keegan is 2.5 months into his second year, while not the most talked about player from his class he seems to have been sought after and continues to be highly sought after ever since, like we don't know what we have here. He's not going anywhere, especially because he seems down to earth and a player that would likely continue to make Sacramento home after his second contract. Especially if his brother doesn't take off and we can bring him down as 15th guy or something down the road.

I continue to have zero interest in Siakam or OG on expiring deals. Watch Pascal turn around and re-sign with Toronto next year after he is traded. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibilities, he likes it there. An OG trade with Indy for Benn, Buddy and a FRP might make some sense. They could turn around and use Buddy's money to re-sign Pascal if they trade him.

Lauri is intriguing. I'd do two firsts and two swaps (which I don't think would convey) but three is a rough sell. I'm a no on Collins.

DFS and the Houston guy that came up a page ago are interesting.

I still don't think we move Huerter before the pick conveys. I'm standing by that and adding one additional reason: we need to re-sign Monk before we can trade Huerter.
 
SacTownKid

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The Effort Police said:
OG was an afterthought for that ring, injured in the playoffs and irrelevant in the regular season. I like the guy (and wanted to pick him 15 in 2017), but it rankles me a little when I see these reports coming out calling him a star.

Siakam yes, was indeed very important. But his fit with Sabonis is questionable, and so is his advancing age where I'm not sure his game ages all that well.
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I agree I think OG is massively overrated at times.
 
pdxKingsFan

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Makaveli said:
Everybody worried about Keegan what about Monk? I think he would be asked about from other GM’s
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On an ender with no bird rights. I don't think he's an attractive pickup since any team acquiring him would almost certainly have to re-sign him next year using cap space.
 
ockingsfan

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pdxKingsFan said:
We can only pay him a little under 18 million. So he probably has to be willing to take a discount to play with his BFF.
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I'm thinking we can sign him to the max amount we are allowed (4 years/$78 mil) and give him an opt-out, so we can give him a big raise after a couple of years. Monk seems like a man where loyalty to Fox and the team that gave him a legit shot would trump a little more cash up front elsewhere.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
We can only pay him a little under 18 million. So he probably has to be willing to take a discount to play with his BFF.
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I just don't think so. There's like 7 teams with cap space, 6 teams with the ability to offer more than us and like 3 teams that even would.

I'm pretty sure Philly money is going to Maxey max.
-He'd never go back to CHA
-WASH has 20 mil... lol. not going there
-DET has 38 mil... lol. not going there

So that leaves Utah/SAS/Orlando.

Orlando I just don't see. They've made such a huge investment with 3 lotto picks in recent years to guards (Black/Suggs/Anthony) and all of them are actually playing pretty well. If Monk is going to leave, I don't think it would be to play behind a bunch of young guys on a good team?

-Utah could use him, but they made a solid investment in George and they're sort of in a weird limbo spot as a team. What do they do with Lauri? Do they go reset this thing and trade Clarkson/Lauri, etc? If that's the case, I don't see Monk going to a rebuilding spot or even just a team that has very few paths to being super competitive in the near future.

-SAS has the Wemby appeal, of course, but is Monk going to go sign up for a rebuilding team? After being a major cog on a winner?

And of course, this assumes all these teams make Monk a priority in FA, which seems dubious at best. We just have so many legs up on our competition, I'm just not worried about him resigning at all.
 
iowamcnabb

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The_Jamal said:
I just don't think so. There's like 7 teams with cap space, 6 teams with the ability to offer more than us and like 3 teams that even would.

I'm pretty sure Philly money is going to Maxey max.
-He'd never go back to CHA
-WASH has 20 mil... lol. not going there
-DET has 38 mil... lol. not going there

So that leaves Utah/SAS/Orlando.

Orlando I just don't see. They've made such a huge investment with 3 lotto picks in recent years to guards (Black/Suggs/Anthony) and all of them are actually playing pretty well. If Monk is going to leave, I don't think it would be to play behind a bunch of young guys on a good team?

-Utah could use him, but they made a solid investment in George and they're sort of in a weird limbo spot as a team. What do they do with Lauri? Do they go reset this thing and trade Clarkson/Lauri, etc? If that's the case, I don't see Monk going to a rebuilding spot or even just a team that has very few paths to being super competitive in the near future.

-SAS has the Wemby appeal, of course, but is Monk going to go sign up for a rebuilding team? After being a major cog on a winner?

And of course, this assumes all these teams make Monk a priority in FA, which seems dubious at best. We just have so many legs up on our competition, I'm just not worried about him resigning at all.
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I’d add Toronto to that list. We won’t know for sure until OG is signed (my guess) and what kind of contracts come back for Siakam (assuming he gets shipped to Indiana or Atlanta)
 
iowamcnabb

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Another guy I’d like to investigate is WCJ. He is on an awesome contract, is a good rebounder and defender and can probably stretch the floor just enough to keep the lanes open. 610 with nearly 7’5 wing span.

Fox Delon Wright (traded for Davion)
Monk Ellis
Keegan HB
WCJ Sasha
Sabonis Lyles len/vale

can start HB in certain matchups. Gives us versatility.

magic don’t need him and they desperately need shooting. Don’t want to move KVon but luckily I don’t have to be the jerk that trades players so I can draw trades up from the comfort of the front seat of my car instead of getting my grocery shopping done.
 
ockingsfan

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pdxKingsFan said:
I'm against us trading for Lavine.

Unless they are sending multiple firsts and Caruso.
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Yup, I think his salary would disrupt the chemistry too much for a small market team like the Kings. With his salary, he's not going to swing us into title contention, I would rather save our assets for a big wing who can replace HB in the starting line up.
 
iowamcnabb

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“If they go for players like the Toronto Raptors’ Pascal Siakam or OG Anunoby who have drawn interest from the Kings in the past, and who are headed for free agency this summer, then the massive cost of retaining them in the offseason would have a significant impact on what the Kings were willing to offer to acquire them in the first place. Siakam is on an expiring deal, and Anunoby is widely expected to decline his $19.9 million player option for next season. Those two particular prospects appear unlikely at the moment, but we still have a long way to go for the market to evolve. Anunoby, more specifically, does not appear to be of significant interest to the Kings.”
 
SacTownKid

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pdxKingsFan said:
I'm against us trading for Lavine.

Unless they are sending multiple firsts and Caruso.
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If the Kings can land a talent like LaVine without giving much up, it's a gamble you simply take. Monte took the gamble on Beal, you don't back down on someone as good or even better at this stage potentially. If it works it literally gives the Kings probably the most dynamic 3 guard lineup in the league. If it doesn't, you lost probably Huerter/Barnes but the payoff is too good to pass up. LaVine has shown in his early days he can also play more of a team oriented role as well.
 
SacTownKid

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ockingsfan said:
Yup, I think his salary would disrupt the chemistry too much for a small market team like the Kings. With his salary, he's not going to swing us into title contention, I would rather save our assets for a big wing who can replace HB in the starting line up.
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Here's the thing about LaVine, if you can count that scoring on a nightly basis, the spot next to Keegan can be a big wing that you only need 5 and 2 out of with great defense and some shooting. This is how you find need fillers. Stack your talent at the top and find the role guys towards the bottom of your salary sheet that might end up being starters based on need and need alone. Petrie did the same thing once he got Bibby since a big chunk of scoring was now accounted for.
 
kingsboi

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SacTownKid said:
If the Kings can land a talent like LaVine without giving much up, it's a gamble you simply take. Monte took the gamble on Beal, you don't back down on someone as good or even better at this stage potentially. If it works it literally gives the Kings probably the most dynamic 3 guard lineup in the league. If it doesn't, you lost probably Huerter/Barnes but the payoff is too good to pass up. LaVine has shown in his early days he can also play more of a team oriented role as well.
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absolutely. if you can give up a Barnes/Davion/filler package for him, I think you do it.
 
iowamcnabb

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kingsboi said:
absolutely. if you can give up a Barnes/Davion/filler package for him, I think you do it.
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We have to send 30 mil in salary to make a deal. It would have to be like Huerter, Lyles, Davion and Kessler. Or something similar.

Also, if we make this deal, do we risk losing Monk in the offseason. What if one of his conditions on signing a new deal that he can compete for a starting gig. Or, maybe he is cool coming off the bench but wants a chance to close games. Can’t have the 40 mil dollar man sitting on the bench in crunch time.

all this might be worth the risk for a star type, but so far the bulls seem ok if not slightly better without him playing. That coupled with the injury stuff is concerning
 
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